Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by tjd808185:
At least the Jenkins pick made sense on paper. You have Crabs who's a very good receiver but better on underneath, intermediate routes so you pair him up with speedster. Complete whiff though on the player. Take Jeffrey or Hilton instead and I definitely think we win a SB. Another great example of our blunders is Vance McDonald. Delanie is leaving and we got the need for another te so what do we do? Walker's production wasn't great but he played 55% of plays and his flexibility was a mismatch nightmare. Do we take Jordan Reed who would fill that same role perfectly? Nope. We take another downhill blocker in Vance. Could have had Kelce too. Complete incompetence on what made our offense churn.

Did it?

Mike Mayock had him listed as the 57th best player, 7th WR.
lol

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by evil:
Vance was not a downhill blocker coming out. And on paper he better fit the blocking aspect required of our #2 TE compared to Reed.

In college that's not how he was used but that's what he projected as a pro and how we used him. Since the goal is to improve in passing we missed the boat.

That falls on the OC and the HC. Delanie had 35 and 39 targets under Jim's offense...he should have been a bigger part of the passing game. This is a copycat league and we had 2 players in VD and Walker who could have been used moreso like Belichick was using Hernandez and Gronk. Had we been using Delanie more, especially since the passing offense needed it, then he would have been worth resigning and that draft pick spent on Vance could have been better allocated.

And once Vance arrived, we didn't even attempt to use him as a decoy. 27 targets in 23 games and the majority of his snaps were moreso as a blocker. We could have looked to use his skill set better to try and exploit opposing offenses.

To date, Vance looks like a bad pick but we also failed to ever take full advantage of his and of Walkers skill sets. Do we really believe we would have better used Reed or Kelce ? There certainly isn't any evidence to suggest as much.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
At least the Jenkins pick made sense on paper. You have Crabs who's a very good receiver but better on underneath, intermediate routes so you pair him up with speedster. Complete whiff though on the player. Take Jeffrey or Hilton instead and I definitely think we win a SB. Another great example of our blunders is Vance McDonald. Delanie is leaving and we got the need for another te so what do we do? Walker's production wasn't great but he played 55% of plays and his flexibility was a mismatch nightmare. Do we take Jordan Reed who would fill that same role perfectly? Nope. We take another downhill blocker in Vance. Could have had Kelce too. Complete incompetence on what made our offense churn.

Did it?

Mike Mayock had him listed as the 57th best player, 7th WR.
lol

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings

From a skill set perspective yes it really did.

Also the Rams were rumored to have been interested in Jenkins at 33 and they ended up taking Brian Quick who was ranked 54th and his 6th best receiver.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by evil:
Vance was not a downhill blocker coming out. And on paper he better fit the blocking aspect required of our #2 TE compared to Reed.

In college that's not how he was used but that's what he projected as a pro and how we used him. Since the goal is to improve in passing we missed the boat.

That falls on the OC and the HC. Delanie had 35 and 39 targets under Jim's offense...he should have been a bigger part of the passing game. This is a copycat league and we had 2 players in VD and Walker who could have been used moreso like Belichick was using Hernandez and Gronk. Had we been using Delanie more, especially since the passing offense needed it, then he would have been worth resigning and that draft pick spent on Vance could have been better allocated.

And once Vance arrived, we didn't even attempt to use him as a decoy. 27 targets in 23 games and the majority of his snaps were moreso as a blocker. We could have looked to use his skill set better to try and exploit opposing offenses.

To date, Vance looks like a bad pick but we also failed to ever take full advantage of his and of Walkers skill sets. Do we really believe we would have better used Reed or Kelce ? There certainly isn't any evidence to suggest as much.

You just can't look at the targets and say he needed more, lol.

When you look at the offense as a whole D Walker had the 3rd most targets on the team in 2011, manly because the team was lacking a solid 2 and 3 WR.
Edwards and Ginn combined for 67 targets.

D Walker had a few more targets in 2012 5th most targets on the team.
Moss and Manningham combined for 107 targets.

There just aren't that many plays to go around.

Esp. when you're leading in the 4th quarter and are running the ball more to win the game. More wins = less targets for your backup TE.
lol

Maybe we can go back to sucking so our TE can be our best receiving target like back in the Eric Johnson days.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
At least the Jenkins pick made sense on paper. You have Crabs who's a very good receiver but better on underneath, intermediate routes so you pair him up with speedster. Complete whiff though on the player. Take Jeffrey or Hilton instead and I definitely think we win a SB. Another great example of our blunders is Vance McDonald. Delanie is leaving and we got the need for another te so what do we do? Walker's production wasn't great but he played 55% of plays and his flexibility was a mismatch nightmare. Do we take Jordan Reed who would fill that same role perfectly? Nope. We take another downhill blocker in Vance. Could have had Kelce too. Complete incompetence on what made our offense churn.

Did it?

Mike Mayock had him listed as the 57th best player, 7th WR.
lol

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings

From a skill set perspective yes it really did.

Also the Rams were rumored to have been interested in Jenkins at 33 and they ended up taking Brian Quick who was ranked 54th and his 6th best receiver.

This is why having a GM who will find out about the actual player instead of just looking at numbers is key.
Maybe if Trent would have talked to AJ he would have found out that he just wanted to be drafted so he could buy a new truck and bass boat?

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by evil:
Vance was not a downhill blocker coming out. And on paper he better fit the blocking aspect required of our #2 TE compared to Reed.

In college that's not how he was used but that's what he projected as a pro and how we used him. Since the goal is to improve in passing we missed the boat.

That falls on the OC and the HC. Delanie had 35 and 39 targets under Jim's offense...he should have been a bigger part of the passing game. This is a copycat league and we had 2 players in VD and Walker who could have been used moreso like Belichick was using Hernandez and Gronk. Had we been using Delanie more, especially since the passing offense needed it, then he would have been worth resigning and that draft pick spent on Vance could have been better allocated.

And once Vance arrived, we didn't even attempt to use him as a decoy. 27 targets in 23 games and the majority of his snaps were moreso as a blocker. We could have looked to use his skill set better to try and exploit opposing offenses.

To date, Vance looks like a bad pick but we also failed to ever take full advantage of his and of Walkers skill sets. Do we really believe we would have better used Reed or Kelce ? There certainly isn't any evidence to suggest as much.

You just can't look at the targets and say he needed more, lol.

When you look at the offense as a whole D Walker had the 3rd most targets on the team in 2011, manly because the team was lacking a solid 2 and 3 WR.
Edwards and Ginn combined for 67 targets.

D Walker had a few more targets in 2012 5th most targets on the team.
Moss and Manningham combined for 107 targets.

There just aren't that many plays to go around.

Esp. when you're leading in the 4th quarter and are running the ball more to win the game. More wins = less targets for your backup TE.
lol

Maybe we can go back to sucking so our TE can be our best receiving target like back in the Eric Johnson days.

The bolded makes no sense.

We had a need for improvement in the passing game and we had a 2nd string TE who since leaving us, has proven he has what it takes to be a #1 TE. The offensive gameplans and playbook should have included more opportunities to involves that talent in the pass game given the lack of options the team had at WR. The offensive head honchos have no excuse for not trying to maximize Delanie's skill set and looking to exploit opposing defenses in the pass game with VD and Walker.

Originally posted by SoCold:
This is why having a GM who will find out about the actual player instead of just looking at numbers is key.
Maybe if Trent would have talked to AJ he would have found out that he just wanted to be drafted so he could buy a new truck and bass boat?

Jenkins spent a load of time with Harbaugh and Morton on his pre-draft visit here. Maybe if Jim had spent that time trying to get to know the prospect instead of showing off his pirouettes, climbing trees and asking Jenkins for ways for Jim to become a viral sensation on the internet, he could have got to truly know AJJ and told Trent that AJ was looking for a new bass boat and truck.

Originally posted by evil:
That falls on the OC and the HC. Delanie had 35 and 39 targets under Jim's offense...he should have been a bigger part of the passing game. This is a copycat league and we had 2 players in VD and Walker who could have been used moreso like Belichick was using Hernandez and Gronk. Had we been using Delanie more, especially since the passing offense needed it, then he would have been worth resigning and that draft pick spent on Vance could have been better allocated.

And once Vance arrived, we didn't even attempt to use him as a decoy. 27 targets in 23 games and the majority of his snaps were moreso as a blocker. We could have looked to use his skill set better to try and exploit opposing offenses.

To date, Vance looks like a bad pick but we also failed to ever take full advantage of his and of Walkers skill sets. Do we really believe we would have better used Reed or Kelce ? There certainly isn't any evidence to suggest as much.

He's been in 3 systems and hasn't broke 400 yards. At some point it's the player's fault. Either he's just not that good or he's a slow developer. Hoepfully it's the latter like Vernon.

As the backup te in a run 1st offense you're not going to get 100 targets. In 2012 though we had a banging offense with the squad we had. 2nd per play. There's no complaining about that. It was a d good offense with Alex and Kap but alot of role players and they left and we couldn't replace em. We should of saw Delanie's value and kept him for less than 5 mil a year, but at the very worse we could of drafted the similar tight end. The much better tight end too. Reed wouldn't be a 1k yard receiver but he'd have to be accounted for on every play like Walker and that opens other stuff up. Vernon/ Vance they kind of did the same things, Vance was only there to block early and it just didn't work.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by evil:
Vance was not a downhill blocker coming out. And on paper he better fit the blocking aspect required of our #2 TE compared to Reed.

In college that's not how he was used but that's what he projected as a pro and how we used him. Since the goal is to improve in passing we missed the boat.

That falls on the OC and the HC. Delanie had 35 and 39 targets under Jim's offense...he should have been a bigger part of the passing game. This is a copycat league and we had 2 players in VD and Walker who could have been used moreso like Belichick was using Hernandez and Gronk. Had we been using Delanie more, especially since the passing offense needed it, then he would have been worth resigning and that draft pick spent on Vance could have been better allocated.

And once Vance arrived, we didn't even attempt to use him as a decoy. 27 targets in 23 games and the majority of his snaps were moreso as a blocker. We could have looked to use his skill set better to try and exploit opposing offenses.

To date, Vance looks like a bad pick but we also failed to ever take full advantage of his and of Walkers skill sets. Do we really believe we would have better used Reed or Kelce ? There certainly isn't any evidence to suggest as much.

You just can't look at the targets and say he needed more, lol.

When you look at the offense as a whole D Walker had the 3rd most targets on the team in 2011, manly because the team was lacking a solid 2 and 3 WR.
Edwards and Ginn combined for 67 targets.

D Walker had a few more targets in 2012 5th most targets on the team.
Moss and Manningham combined for 107 targets.

There just aren't that many plays to go around.

Esp. when you're leading in the 4th quarter and are running the ball more to win the game. More wins = less targets for your backup TE.
lol

Maybe we can go back to sucking so our TE can be our best receiving target like back in the Eric Johnson days.

The bolded makes no sense.

We had a need for improvement in the passing game and we had a 2nd string TE who since leaving us, has proven he has what it takes to be a #1 TE. The offensive gameplans and playbook should have included more opportunities to involves that talent in the pass game given the lack of options the team had at WR. The offensive head honchos have no excuse for not trying to maximize Delanie's skill set and looking to exploit opposing defenses in the pass game with VD and Walker.

Originally posted by SoCold:
This is why having a GM who will find out about the actual player instead of just looking at numbers is key.
Maybe if Trent would have talked to AJ he would have found out that he just wanted to be drafted so he could buy a new truck and bass boat?

Jenkins spent a load of time with Harbaugh and Morton on his pre-draft visit here. Maybe if Jim had spent that time trying to get to know the prospect instead of showing off his pirouettes, climbing trees and asking Jenkins for ways for Jim to become a viral sensation on the internet, he could have got to truly know AJJ and told Trent that AJ was looking for a new bass boat and truck.

Your reasons for D Love not getting more love is still silly. The passing game improved greatly with Moss and Manningham getting 40+ more targets than the prior #2/#3 WRs got the year before. You just can't say hey we need to run 10 more plays per game just so D. Walker can get more looks. lol

AJ pick made zero sense all the way around. You sign two FA WR's in Moss and Manningham and draft a WR in the first round? Trent wanted AJ to return kicks and play ST but AJ didn't want to. A player not willing to do what's best for the team doesn't get very far, no matter who the coaches are.

Originally posted by SoCold:
Did it?

Mike Mayock had him listed as the 57th best player, 7th WR.
lol

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings

Fair point just saying he matched the skillset/ role we were looking for. Of course the talent has to be there and it wasn't.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Did it?

Mike Mayock had him listed as the 57th best player, 7th WR.
lol

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings

Fair point just saying he matched the skillset/ role we were looking for. Of course the talent has to be there and it wasn't.

He had the talent. Just didn't have the heart, desire, work ethic needed to become a good nfl player.

Evil is blaming draft picks and not re-signing players on Harbs? Lol

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Evil is blaming draft picks and not re-signing players on Harbs? Lol

Didn't you know everything was Jim's fault.

This was fun. From Eric Johnson to A.J. Jenkins disguised as Rashaun Woods to Harbaugh's Mike Ditka 2.0.

Originally posted by AlohaBruh:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I'm still jacked.

Originally posted by mryan1004:
it was a huge glimmer of hope to show that we can still somewhat attract a high prospect whether it be a coach or player. I think it gets better from here!

Originally posted by 228niner:
i'm psyched too but i'll be stoked when we start winning

Originally posted by D_Niner:
After Nowin then Sing... I'm a bit hesitant to jump onto the no NFL HC experience train yet again.

Originally posted by 9erguy:


HARBAWESOME

Originally posted by okdkid:
We got WHO?!

Originally posted by mickey49:
Meh...I'm happy and all. I think Harbaugh will get way more out of the offensive talent than Sing and Nolan could COMBINED, but until dude gets this team into the playoffs, signing Harbs gets nothing more than a mild golf clap from me. Sorry, I'm just done drinking the kool-aid from this team...

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Ya, I'm still pumped. ;-) Even with the Alex Smith stuff. Even if they bring him back, they won't annoint him the starter unless he earns it. There will be at least 2 new QBs in camp this year.

Now I'm gonna go watch my Harbaugh vid again. ;-) Is it football season yet?

lol