Is Stephen Strasburg really the next Nolan Ryan? | Page 2

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:08 PM

HaiGuise
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Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
No. Better. Nolan Ryan with control.

Nolan Ryan was the Jerry Rice of pitching.

Not at ALL. Ryan had strikeout stuff, but he also walked a lot of guys. He is definitely not the greatest pitcher of all time. Best strikeout pitcher, but not best ever.

Never won a Cy Young.

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:11 PM

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To be the next Nolan Ryan, this kid has to pitch for 26 years and rack up 5000+ Ks with 7 no hitters. While Ryan can't crack the top 25 in all time pitchers, he was a dominant and intimidating force.

Right now this kid is only a Kerry Wood wannabe. And we know how he turned out.

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:13 PM

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TonyStarks
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Originally posted by HaiGuise:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
No. Better. Nolan Ryan with control.

Nolan Ryan was the Jerry Rice of pitching.

Not at ALL. Ryan had strikeout stuff, but he also walked a lot of guys. He is definitely not the greatest pitcher of all time. Best strikeout pitcher, but not best ever.

Never won a Cy Young.

mkay, more like the Brett Farve of pitching.

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:14 PM

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toeknee
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He will be better than Joe Montana

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:16 PM

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StOnEy333
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Originally posted by teeohh:
He will be better than Joe Montana

AND Michael Jordan.

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:23 PM

#21

TonyStarks
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by teeohh:
He will be better than Joe Montana

AND Michael Jordan.

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:25 PM

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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
No. Better. Nolan Ryan with control.

You guys are horrible.

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:33 PM

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LA9erFan
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Like others have said, I always worry about health with fireballers like him. He has the kind of breaking stuff and control that would make him an effective pitcher even with a loss of 10 MPH on his fastball, but these dudes always seem to get hurt. I'm rooting for him.

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:44 PM

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Originally posted by BigRon:
To be the next Nolan Ryan, this kid has to pitch for 26 years and rack up 5000+ Ks with 7 no hitters. While Ryan can't crack the top 25 in all time pitchers, he was a dominant and intimidating force.

Right now this kid is only a Kerry Wood wannabe. And we know how he turned out.

come on dude top 25 for real?

Jun 8, 2010 at 7:58 PM

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Ninerjohn
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I dont know about if he is the next Nolan Ryan but I would take his career potential right now over any pitcher in baseball right now IF he has health. His stuff is just sick. Its right there with Ubaldo Jiminez. He is actually much more polished than Nolan Ryan was as a rookie thats for sure. A better comparison might be Roger Clemens.

[ Edited by Ninerjohn on Jun 8, 2010 at 20:04:02 ]

Jun 8, 2010 at 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by Knowledge:
Originally posted by BigRon:
To be the next Nolan Ryan, this kid has to pitch for 26 years and rack up 5000+ Ks with 7 no hitters. While Ryan can't crack the top 25 in all time pitchers, he was a dominant and intimidating force.

Right now this kid is only a Kerry Wood wannabe. And we know how he turned out.

come on dude top 25 for real?

yup

in no special order
Mathewson
Hubbel
Marichal
Koufax
Gibson
Maddux
Carlton
Seaver
Clemens
Grover Alexander
Lefty Grove
Ed Walsh
Cy Young
Pud Galvin
Walter Johnson
Eddie Plank
Whitey Ford
Warren Spahn
Gaylord Perry
Jim Palmer
Randy Johnson
Jack Chesbro
Bob Feller
Burt Blyleven
Chief Bender
Dennis Eckersley
Ferguson Jenkins

And that is just 27. Where does Ryan fit in with those.

Jun 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM

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Ninerjohn
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Originally posted by BigRon:
Originally posted by Knowledge:
Originally posted by BigRon:
To be the next Nolan Ryan, this kid has to pitch for 26 years and rack up 5000+ Ks with 7 no hitters. While Ryan can't crack the top 25 in all time pitchers, he was a dominant and intimidating force.

Right now this kid is only a Kerry Wood wannabe. And we know how he turned out.

come on dude top 25 for real?

yup

in no special order
Mathewson
Hubbel
Marichal
Koufax
Gibson
Maddux
Carlton
Seaver
Clemens
Grover Alexander
Lefty Grove
Ed Walsh
Cy Young
Pud Galvin - seriously.. the guy played in the 1800s
Walter Johnson
Eddie Plank
Whitey Ford
Warren Spahn
Gaylord Perry
Jim Palmer
Randy Johnson
Jack Chesbro
Bob Feller
Burt Blyleven- please.. Bylevan ahead of Nolan Ryan.. Laughable
Chief Bender
Dennis Eckersley - um......... NO
Ferguson Jenkins

And that is just 27. Where does Ryan fit in with those.

Ron.. ranking pitchers is always subjective but its very shortsighed to not place the all time strikeout leader and the all time NO HIT leader among the greatest 25 pitchers of all time in my opinion. Ryan pitched for horrible teams for most of his career which hurt his W/L record.

[ Edited by Ninerjohn on Jun 8, 2010 at 20:32:53 ]

Jun 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM

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LA9erFan
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Hey...Ron saw Pud Galvin play. Did you?

Jun 8, 2010 at 8:44 PM

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Ninerjohn
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Hey...Ron saw Pud Galvin play. Did you?

LOL Nope. I think Walter Johnson was the first great I saw pitch

. Pud was before my time.

Jun 8, 2010 at 9:57 PM

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YungAce
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this guy's the real fckin deal. 14 strikeouts in his first MLB start? shiettttttt