Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Silk continually says, "He doesn't want the fight because he didn't want to take a blood test." I have no idea why for the life of me people, more than likely Pac haters continue to say it. Willing to take blood tests, regardless of a disagreement on a cutoff still stands as "willing to take a blood test." A tablespoon of blood means what exactly? Like I've said before, USADA, WADA, doesn't matter what olympic-sanctioning body it is; random is random. There's no guarantee they wouldn't come 7x in 7 days before the cutoff.
As for the Duckweather, Chicken names, they're all names that have been said before I even thought he was ducking anybody. They date back to when I was defending him back through the Judah days. But when you look at the resume, more importantly his more recent bouts, he's been exactly what his name suggets, more concerned about the "Money". Take the easier fights that garner you the most money. At the end of the day, that's what it's all about. I don't fault him for the hustle, but that's exactly what it is.
Floyd fought Judah which was a great f**king fight. Then he fights Baldomir who had racked up double digit losses. But there was no excuse for retiring after ODLH. He just broke the PPV record with the PPV king and beat him for a belt. He would've had throngs of fighters lining up to fight him.
Last two fights, he brought Hatton up from Junior Welter, and JMM after his lone fight from lightweight. So if he fights yet another lightweight or junior welterweight, please excuse me if I happen to use the Duckweather and Chicken references. I'm only repeating what's been said for the last half decade. I just take strong offense in claiming that you're the best fighter that's ever laced on the gloves, but you haven't fought anybody to solidify that claim. Ali said he was the best and he fought the best. Tyson called himself the greatest and he went out and ate people alive. My dislike for Floyd only originates from the way he carries himself outside of the boxing ring. Fight Mosley. Fight Paul. Fight Pacquiao. Do it the way you've been doing it the last decade. If you truly want boxing to be a clean sport, petition the NSAC for olympic-style testing in all fights including your own, not just against one boxer for suspicions your father initiated.
The thing is Floyd wants random blood tests because if they're not random then what's the point? The current system is beatable. Especially if you know the dates of tests.
From what I've been reading, it looks like he's gonna ask Mosley for the same request of random testing that he asked Pac. So looks like you'll get your wish.
I don't care if it was Manny that requested random testing, or Cotto or JCC Jr. or Matthew Hatton. I would be behind the idea. Of course, it wouldn't be taken as seriously if anyone other than Money or Manny brought it up.
And I say blame Manny for not wanting the fight because at the end of the night, it's him that's getting in the ring. Not Arum, not Roach, but Manny. As the fighter that's gonna enter the ring that night, he should have the final say. But like you said, he didn't say s**t, he just went along and let Arum f**k things up for everybody, fans mostly.
All those nicknames are made up by Floyd haters who can't stand his arrogance and want badly to discredit his perfect record. All of it is really unwarranted and seriously he's been getting s**t for no reason since who knows when.
You say you only say what's been repeated during the last half-decade? OK buddy, here's a little something from 2005:
That kind of cult-like, indomitable fan loyalty does not seem to be in the cards for Floyd Mayweather. He talks a game that he may never be able to play. And accordingly, his only recourse is to take big fights, one after another, and continuously assert his dominance, if he can, or at least test himself more sternly. The sham that he is about to engage in against a threadbare, battleworn Sharmba Mitchell does not fall in line with what I am suggesting. If Floyd continues his campaign at welterweight he needs to fight Zab Judah or meet the controversially bulked up Jose Luis Castillo for a fight at 147-pounds. . If he moves up to junior middleweight he should first attempt to bait Winky Wright back into the 154-pound division with the promise of a big-payday, or seek a battle with the crafty, tough-as-nails—and shockingly fresh-looking—Roman Karmazin. If he moves back down to junior welterweight it should only be to tangle with The Hitman, that is, assuming Hatton gets by upset artist Carlos Maussa.
And of course, who does he fight next? Oh look, Zab Judah.
Oh no wait, there's more to the story though...
See, in between the signing of the fight and the actual bout, Zab decided to take on a tune-up fight with none other than Carlos Baldomir. Things didn't go according to plan for Zab and he lost to Baldomir.
So after that turn of events, people gave Mayweather s**t for going ahead with fighting Zab, because he just came off a loss with Baldomir. Ok, so if he shouldn't take a fight with Zab, who's the most logical opponent? Oh that's right... Baldomir. You know, the guy that just beat Zab.
Guess what, he took on both, one after the other. Seriously, how can you give Mayweather s**t for fighting the guy who beat the guy who everybody wanted Floyd to fight in the first place???
He then proceeded to fight DLH, and he became a huge attraction, and that seems fine with everybody, so let's move on.
So after setting all kinds of PPV records, who should he take on now?
[Now before you say Cotto and Mosley, Mayweather had previously called out Mosley MANY times from 135 up to welter before but Mosley just showed no interest, Floyd was even willing to move up in weight. Floyd was trying to get a match with Mosley before DLH but said he had to see the dentist and wanted to take a break, spend time with his family. Instead Floyd ended up fighting the lineal champ Baldomir. Cotto, and Arum for that matter, wanted no piece of him at that point in time, in fact Cotto never challenged or called out Floyd. But if you say Margarito, that gets a little complicated, I'll try and make it short and sweet, first off Margarito challenged him before the DLH fight while Floyd had his sights set on Mosley and DLH. At that time DLH did not deal with Arum and Top Rank. The only way for Floyd to get a fight on with DLH was to drop Top Rank. But Arum being the con man that he is had to try and get Floyd to stay with Top Rank and jeopardize the DLH fight by making Floyd a "1 time offer" of 8 million bucks to fight Margo, and probably agree to some terms to stay with Top Rank. So really, Margo being the most avoided man, was just a ploy by Arum to try and keep Floyd around, and since it didn't work out Arum at least got to say that Floyd ducked Margo,
Anyway, back to who Mayweather should fight next...
Hmm... how about that UNDEFEATED guy with the HUGE FANBASE from England? You know, the guy that's 43-0, packs a nice punch, and just three fights ago happened to fight and beat WELTERWEIGHT champion Luis Collazo, and just last fight DESTROYED the guy that gave Mayweather one of his hardest fights in his career in Jose Luis Castillo. Yep, the guy who's fame is at an all-time high. Hmm... I dunno, makes sense, don't it?
After making a ton of cash and 11 straight years of participating in one of the most demanding and brutal sports in the world, the dude decides to take a break from the sport to rest up and heal his body a bit and enjoy his nice earnings and spend time with his kids. What's wrong with that exactly?
Mayweather retires, some guy named Margarito beats some undefeated guy named Cotto (whom Mayweather wanted to fight, but Arum said no way, he wasn't ready). This Margarito guy becomes a nice name in boxing, and of course Cotto was undefeated prior to the fight, and has a Puerto Rican fan base, so he's a pretty decent name as well. And oh look, this one guy named Paul Williams beat Antonio Margarito not too long ago, so now you have a stacked Welterweight class. Then Mosley, a guy nobody's talked about in a while, whoops Margarito and the Welterweight class is still stacked.
Pacquiao fights Oscar and Hatton and he becomes a huge megastar as well.
So then Mayweather comes back, most likely to get a piece of Pacquiao. Then he lays out his plans that he's gonna take a tune-up
. About a month later we find out that his tune-up
fight is gonna be against Juan Manuel Marquez, the guy that Manny just doesn't want to finish his trilogy with, the guy that has also lacked that big paycheck, who coincidentally also happens to be promoted by Golden Boy, the company that's done Mayweather's recent bouts.
So DLH decides to take care of his fighters and give one of the legends in the sport a nice payday near the end of his career that he can retire on and set him up for life. You can tell there was great admiration between Floyd and Marquez. Can you blame Floyd and DLH for giving into Marquez' request?
Mayweather does what he does best and sells the fight. You can't blame the casual fan for giving Marquez a chance in this fight. He's a gritty Mexican that gave the current P4P King Manny Pacquiao hell for 23 rounds.
I, myself, and most people that have a clue about boxing, saw that they were two fighters with similar styles, one just happened to be bigger, quicker and younger than the other. So of course, two fighters with similar styles, who do you expect to win? To be honest I never thought it would break the 1 million buys barrier, I thought it'd do 600K at best, but boy was I pleasantly surprised at the numbers.
I think part of the reason Floyd gets so much flack for this fight is because this tune-up fight was built up to be soooo much more. But in the end, it didn't live up to false expectations.
Hell you could even say Pac had a hand on building up the fight. After all, Pac was the P4P King at the moment, and who gave Pac his last real challenge? Marquez.
Plus, it was just smart for Floyd to take this match. Whoop the guy that gave Manny his last true challenge, outdo their PPV numbers and get a leg up in negotiations.
Again, I wanna reiterate that Mayweather took a tune-up
fight with Marquez after a two-year layoff, before eventually trying to negotiate a fight with Pacquiao. This was well known months in advance before rumors of negotiations with Marquez even took place.
So tell me again, who exactly did Mayweather duck?
It's fine if you hate his style, his cockiness, his arrogance, how he behaves outside of the ring. But just because hindsight is 20/20 does not take away from the fact that most of his fights in the last half decade actually meant something prior to the fight. It's not his fault he made his opponents look silly, it's not his fault he tried to get better fights but got ducked himself.
If things had gone the way he wanted, and he had it his way, he would have had Tszyu or a light welter Hatton (while Floyd was a light welterweight himself), Cotto, and Mosley under his belt. Cotto and Mosley ducked him and Tszyu, who held down the lightwelter division for nearly a decade, had a very unexpected loss against Hatton and called it quits right after. It was believed that had Tszyu gotten past Hatton, a Mayweather-Tszyu fight would be next. Floyd went for the next logical fight and called out Hatton twice, but he got shut down twice.
Anyway, had things gone his way, all this ducking business would be a moot point. Really, it should be a moot point but haters seem to look the other way and conveniently forget or dismiss facts, or not bother to check them at all. I guess it's more convenient to parakeet what every other hater is saying, as long as it supports your disdain for the guy and it makes your favorite fighter look good.