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Mark Ingram Named 2009 Heisman Trophy Winner

mark ingram is a boss... but i have to say, i'm bummed Ndamakong Suh didn't win. he changed the game in every game. he will be a serious baller in the NFL. i didn't watch much of him over the college season but i made to sure just to watch him vs. texas and he was unbelievable. if he doesn't go #1 overall i will be legitimately shocked the dude's a freak! he was TOSSING lineman even double covered.
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
mark ingram is a boss... but i have to say, i'm bummed Ndamakong Suh didn't win. he changed the game in every game. he will be a serious baller in the NFL. i didn't watch much of him over the college season but i made to sure just to watch him vs. texas and he was unbelievable. if he doesn't go #1 overall i will be legitimately shocked the dude's a freak! he was TOSSING lineman even double covered.

Yeah I second this. I wanted Suh to win. IMO Suh, Ingram, and Gerhart all deserved it though.
Gerhart got boned.
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by ninerempire25:
Heisman = Popularity


Gephart lead the nation in MOST rushing categories & didn't win .


WTF

He should have won it.

Maybe just maybe they also took into account team record, conference strength, team accomplishments. Maybe...

isnt the heisman an individual award though?

Yes. And one individual has his team playing in the National Championship. The other individual doesn't.
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by ninerempire25:
Heisman = Popularity


Gephart lead the nation in MOST rushing categories & didn't win .


WTF

He should have won it.

Maybe just maybe they also took into account team record, conference strength, team accomplishments. Maybe...

isnt the heisman an individual award though?

Yes. And one individual has his team playing in the National Championship. The other individual doesn't.


They would be playing in the championship game if you replaced Ingram with Gerhart dude. One guy has significantly more NFL players on his team than the other. One guy has a more experienced coach than the other. One guy has signficantly less TDs and yards than the other. One guy won the nation's most outstanding player award when he didn't even win the award for best at his position.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by ninerempire25:
Heisman = Popularity


Gephart lead the nation in MOST rushing categories & didn't win .


WTF

He should have won it.

Maybe just maybe they also took into account team record, conference strength, team accomplishments. Maybe...

isnt the heisman an individual award though?

Yes. And one individual has his team playing in the National Championship. The other individual doesn't.


They would be playing in the championship game if you replaced Ingram with Gerhart dude. One guy has significantly more NFL players on his team than the other. One guy has a more experienced coach than the other. One guy has signficantly less TDs and yards than the other. One guy won the nation's most outstanding player award when he didn't even win the award for best at his position.

One guy doesn't get 20+ carries every game, because his team blows the other team out. One guy doesn't go against offense-friendly Pac-10 defenses week in and week out. One guy had significantly better receiving yards.

[ Edited by silkyjohnson on Dec 12, 2009 at 22:14:18 ]
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by ninerempire25:
Heisman = Popularity


Gephart lead the nation in MOST rushing categories & didn't win .


WTF

He should have won it.

Maybe just maybe they also took into account team record, conference strength, team accomplishments. Maybe...

isnt the heisman an individual award though?

Yes. And one individual has his team playing in the National Championship. The other individual doesn't.

Mark Ingram is certainly deserving

Looking at the games he struggled, bama struggled as well.

Gerhart was deserving as well (i probably would have voted for him since I watched more stanford games as well)
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by ninerempire25:
Heisman = Popularity


Gephart lead the nation in MOST rushing categories & didn't win .


WTF

He should have won it.

Maybe just maybe they also took into account team record, conference strength, team accomplishments. Maybe...

isnt the heisman an individual award though?

Yes. And one individual has his team playing in the National Championship. The other individual doesn't.

Mark Ingram is certainly deserving

Looking at the games he struggled, bama struggled as well.

Gerhart was deserving as well (i probably would have voted for him since I watched more stanford games as well)

Most of the games he had low numbers in, were Alabama blowouts. I'm not gonna say I watched those games, but there seems to be some correlation there.
Anyway, who am I kidding? I agree they both deserve it, but only one can get it.
Originally posted by mike9er:
Originally posted by Negrodamus:
Originally posted by Negrodamus:
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Sweet Jesus!
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by ninerempire25:
Heisman = Popularity


Gephart lead the nation in MOST rushing categories & didn't win .


WTF

He should have won it.

Maybe just maybe they also took into account team record, conference strength, team accomplishments. Maybe...

isnt the heisman an individual award though?

Yes. And one individual has his team playing in the National Championship. The other individual doesn't.

Mark Ingram is certainly deserving

Looking at the games he struggled, bama struggled as well.

Gerhart was deserving as well (i probably would have voted for him since I watched more stanford games as well)

Most of the games he had low numbers in, were Alabama blowouts. I'm not gonna say I watched those games, but there seems to be some correlation there.

That is correct. Also, there was only a difference of 5 first place votes, so it's not as if Toby got robbed. Same position, but one guy played in more games for an undefeated team.
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by ninerempire25:
Heisman = Popularity


Gephart lead the nation in MOST rushing categories & didn't win .


WTF

He should have won it.

Maybe just maybe they also took into account team record, conference strength, team accomplishments. Maybe...

isnt the heisman an individual award though?

Yes. And one individual has his team playing in the National Championship. The other individual doesn't.


But Bama could probably still be in the National Championship w/ Richardson as their starting RB ????
Heisman has been a complete joke for years now. Honestly, I think most people feel the same way about it and thus they really don't care that much who wins it.

Look at the last ten or so winners and not only did most of those players not do crap in the NFL they also weren't necessarily that great in college either.

Honestly they just need to change the description from most outstanding college player to The QB or RB that leads an undefeated or one loss team to a BCS bowl.
Originally posted by joey82:
Heisman has been a complete joke for years now. Honestly, I think most people feel the same way about it and thus they really don't care that much who wins it.

Look at the last ten or so winners and not only did most of those players not do crap in the NFL they also weren't necessarily that great in college either.

Honestly they just need to change the description from most outstanding college player to The QB or RB that leads an undefeated or one loss team to a BCS bowl.

You have to go back further than that. The last significant Heisman winner I can think of is Barry Sanders. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Woodson and Williams have been pretty solid.

I just use ten because this decade has been particularly dreadful.

Think about it guys this is the same award that Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Jason White and Matt Leinart have all won. In fact this decade the only player that has won that has even had a solid NFL career is Palmer. Bush shows flashes but I really don't seem him ever being a main focus of the offense, as long as he is with NO.

Unfortunately it is more about what the team does than what you the individual player does. Average college players can look great when they are surrounded by elite NFL talent at other positions on their team.