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status of barry bonds trial--what do you think/hope happens

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Btw, to all the brainless Barry haters, I suggest you read this

Some fun snippets of how the ""unbiased" government handled this:


Quote:
A talented high jumper who played college basketball, Novitzky had grown up not far from Bonds on the San Francisco peninsula. Bonds had long been both popular and controversial in the Bay Area. The ballplayer filled stadiums and awed fans, but many locals found him less a Hank Aaron than a modern-day Ty Cobb—his talent matched by his surly demeanor.

Novitzky seemed to take the superstar’s cavalier treatment of the media and fans as a personal affront, and his raw comments about the legendary black baseball player made some colleagues uneasy. Novitzky never expressed irritation at Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco or the numerous other lighter-skinned pro athletes widely suspected of steroid use.

Quote:
Just weeks after White went undercover, he, Novitzky and other agents met at the San Jose federal building with the assistant U.S. attorney overseeing the case, Jeff Nedrow. Novitzky named the targets of the investigation: Bonds, Jason Giambi and other major leaguers. Working undercover, White was soon lifting weights with Bonds’s trainer, Greg Anderson. By late May 2003 Novitzky was so thrilled that he boasted to the two drug task-force agents about his hope to participate in a book and become famous. White also overheard the conversation. “He envisioned congressional hearings, book deals and TV,” said the lead task-force agent. “I was uncomfortable with that.”

“It was turned into a publicity stunt,” said another task-force agent, who found the idea that the IRS agent hoped to become a celebrity or profit from the case to be a clear violation of the investigator’s professional code. “We don’t chase headlines.”


Quote:
A week before that scheduled meeting Rains said the prosecutor left the following voice mail: “Why don’t you come about two to three hours before the scheduled grand-jury appearance. We’ll let you look at the documents then. I’ll see you at 10 o’clock.”

Rains and his driver arrived early on the morning of December 4, 2003 to pick up Bonds at his Hillsborough home. The next stop was a San Francisco police station more than a mile from the courthouse. The government wanted Novitzky to play chauffeur to Bonds on the day of his grand-jury testimony.

“Novitzky was in his federal car,” said Rains. “Barry and I jumped into the car, and Novitzky said hi.”

The IRS agent drove, Rains in front, Bonds in back. “Novitzky was fuming,” recalled Rains. “He was all hot and bothered. Barry was saying, ‘Mike, we can’t trust these guys.’”

When the sedan arrived at the federal building, “Novitzky did this 20- to 30-second wait,” said Rains. The cameras pushed in. Rains said Bonds started screaming at Novitzky, “Get this motherf**king car moving! This is f**king bulls**t!”


Quote:

On October 16, 2003 Novitzky’s investigation took a bizarre turn. Behind the scenes, unknown to the public following the story, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) opened an investigation of none other than Novitzky and his fellow agents. Six hundred of the approximately $60,000 in cash seized from Anderson was missing. Neither Novitzky nor the other IRS agents implicated would cooperate with the TIGTA investigators without lawyers.

Coincidentally, that very same day, Novitzky, under oath, gave his first testimony for the grand jury about BALCO:

You can hate the prosecutors, the media, etc, etc all you want we all know Barry Bonds guilty of doing steriods.

This is a witch hunt, a waste of money, and I don't want to see Bond's in jail, but call a spade a spade. He's a roider.

What did ANYTHING I posted have to do with whether he did steroids or not?
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
So if I hate Bonds, I'm brainless?

I'd suggest reading the article.

Can't. I'm at work, and that link is to playboy. Also, I don't care enough to.

Haha, you're gonna get fired trying reading about Bonds.
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

I'd like to see some research that shows an increase in muscle directly correlates to improved bat speed.
Originally posted by dobo:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.

Yet Barry used the same size bat he did his whole career.
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by dobo:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.

Yet Barry used the same size bat he did his whole career.

...but did not use the same size helmet.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by dobo:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.

Yet Barry used the same size bat he did his whole career.

...but did not use the same size helmet.

Really? You have a link to this?
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by dobo:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.

Yet Barry used the same size bat he did his whole career.

...but did not use the same size helmet.

Really? You have a link to this?

LOL, why would I bother wasting my time finding a link for you? You're so dug into your position that it'd be pointless. You can look it up if you wish.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Btw, to all the brainless Barry haters, I suggest you read this

Some fun snippets of how the ""unbiased" government handled this:


Quote:
A talented high jumper who played college basketball, Novitzky had grown up not far from Bonds on the San Francisco peninsula. Bonds had long been both popular and controversial in the Bay Area. The ballplayer filled stadiums and awed fans, but many locals found him less a Hank Aaron than a modern-day Ty Cobb—his talent matched by his surly demeanor.

Novitzky seemed to take the superstar’s cavalier treatment of the media and fans as a personal affront, and his raw comments about the legendary black baseball player made some colleagues uneasy. Novitzky never expressed irritation at Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco or the numerous other lighter-skinned pro athletes widely suspected of steroid use.

Quote:
Just weeks after White went undercover, he, Novitzky and other agents met at the San Jose federal building with the assistant U.S. attorney overseeing the case, Jeff Nedrow. Novitzky named the targets of the investigation: Bonds, Jason Giambi and other major leaguers. Working undercover, White was soon lifting weights with Bonds’s trainer, Greg Anderson. By late May 2003 Novitzky was so thrilled that he boasted to the two drug task-force agents about his hope to participate in a book and become famous. White also overheard the conversation. “He envisioned congressional hearings, book deals and TV,” said the lead task-force agent. “I was uncomfortable with that.”

“It was turned into a publicity stunt,” said another task-force agent, who found the idea that the IRS agent hoped to become a celebrity or profit from the case to be a clear violation of the investigator’s professional code. “We don’t chase headlines.”


Quote:
A week before that scheduled meeting Rains said the prosecutor left the following voice mail: “Why don’t you come about two to three hours before the scheduled grand-jury appearance. We’ll let you look at the documents then. I’ll see you at 10 o’clock.”

Rains and his driver arrived early on the morning of December 4, 2003 to pick up Bonds at his Hillsborough home. The next stop was a San Francisco police station more than a mile from the courthouse. The government wanted Novitzky to play chauffeur to Bonds on the day of his grand-jury testimony.

“Novitzky was in his federal car,” said Rains. “Barry and I jumped into the car, and Novitzky said hi.”

The IRS agent drove, Rains in front, Bonds in back. “Novitzky was fuming,” recalled Rains. “He was all hot and bothered. Barry was saying, ‘Mike, we can’t trust these guys.’”

When the sedan arrived at the federal building, “Novitzky did this 20- to 30-second wait,” said Rains. The cameras pushed in. Rains said Bonds started screaming at Novitzky, “Get this motherf**king car moving! This is f**king bulls**t!”


Quote:

On October 16, 2003 Novitzky’s investigation took a bizarre turn. Behind the scenes, unknown to the public following the story, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) opened an investigation of none other than Novitzky and his fellow agents. Six hundred of the approximately $60,000 in cash seized from Anderson was missing. Neither Novitzky nor the other IRS agents implicated would cooperate with the TIGTA investigators without lawyers.

Coincidentally, that very same day, Novitzky, under oath, gave his first testimony for the grand jury about BALCO:

You can hate the prosecutors, the media, etc, etc all you want we all know Barry Bonds guilty of doing steriods.

This is a witch hunt, a waste of money, and I don't want to see Bond's in jail, but call a spade a spade. He's a roider.

Bonds certainly cheated, like a lot of players did at that time. But they're not even prosecuting him for that. They're prosecuting him for perjury, which is like you said, just a witch hunt.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by dobo:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.

Yet Barry used the same size bat he did his whole career.

...but did not use the same size helmet.

Really? You have a link to this?

LOL, why would I bother wasting my time finding a link for you? You're so dug into your position that it'd be pointless. You can look it up if you wish.

AKA, I just follow the group think that his head size got bigger, i have no link, and it's an assertion on my part.

Carry on with your strawman.
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Btw, to all the brainless Barry haters, I suggest you read this

Some fun snippets of how the ""unbiased" government handled this:


Quote:
A talented high jumper who played college basketball, Novitzky had grown up not far from Bonds on the San Francisco peninsula. Bonds had long been both popular and controversial in the Bay Area. The ballplayer filled stadiums and awed fans, but many locals found him less a Hank Aaron than a modern-day Ty Cobb—his talent matched by his surly demeanor.

Novitzky seemed to take the superstar’s cavalier treatment of the media and fans as a personal affront, and his raw comments about the legendary black baseball player made some colleagues uneasy. Novitzky never expressed irritation at Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco or the numerous other lighter-skinned pro athletes widely suspected of steroid use.

Quote:
Just weeks after White went undercover, he, Novitzky and other agents met at the San Jose federal building with the assistant U.S. attorney overseeing the case, Jeff Nedrow. Novitzky named the targets of the investigation: Bonds, Jason Giambi and other major leaguers. Working undercover, White was soon lifting weights with Bonds’s trainer, Greg Anderson. By late May 2003 Novitzky was so thrilled that he boasted to the two drug task-force agents about his hope to participate in a book and become famous. White also overheard the conversation. “He envisioned congressional hearings, book deals and TV,” said the lead task-force agent. “I was uncomfortable with that.”

“It was turned into a publicity stunt,” said another task-force agent, who found the idea that the IRS agent hoped to become a celebrity or profit from the case to be a clear violation of the investigator’s professional code. “We don’t chase headlines.”


Quote:
A week before that scheduled meeting Rains said the prosecutor left the following voice mail: “Why don’t you come about two to three hours before the scheduled grand-jury appearance. We’ll let you look at the documents then. I’ll see you at 10 o’clock.”

Rains and his driver arrived early on the morning of December 4, 2003 to pick up Bonds at his Hillsborough home. The next stop was a San Francisco police station more than a mile from the courthouse. The government wanted Novitzky to play chauffeur to Bonds on the day of his grand-jury testimony.

“Novitzky was in his federal car,” said Rains. “Barry and I jumped into the car, and Novitzky said hi.”

The IRS agent drove, Rains in front, Bonds in back. “Novitzky was fuming,” recalled Rains. “He was all hot and bothered. Barry was saying, ‘Mike, we can’t trust these guys.’”

When the sedan arrived at the federal building, “Novitzky did this 20- to 30-second wait,” said Rains. The cameras pushed in. Rains said Bonds started screaming at Novitzky, “Get this motherf**king car moving! This is f**king bulls**t!”


Quote:

On October 16, 2003 Novitzky’s investigation took a bizarre turn. Behind the scenes, unknown to the public following the story, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) opened an investigation of none other than Novitzky and his fellow agents. Six hundred of the approximately $60,000 in cash seized from Anderson was missing. Neither Novitzky nor the other IRS agents implicated would cooperate with the TIGTA investigators without lawyers.

Coincidentally, that very same day, Novitzky, under oath, gave his first testimony for the grand jury about BALCO:

You can hate the prosecutors, the media, etc, etc all you want we all know Barry Bonds guilty of doing steriods.

This is a witch hunt, a waste of money, and I don't want to see Bond's in jail, but call a spade a spade. He's a roider.

What did ANYTHING I posted have to do with whether he did steroids or not?

You called Barry Bonds haters brainless. Why do people hate Bonds? Mostly because he's a roider who cheated his way into the record books.

I don't want to hear how roids don't generate an increase in HR's. Because I'm supposed to believe that it's a coincedence that all of the sudden 50 HR's is once again an accomplishment.
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by dobo:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.

Yet Barry used the same size bat he did his whole career.

...but did not use the same size helmet.

Really? You have a link to this?

LOL, why would I bother wasting my time finding a link for you? You're so dug into your position that it'd be pointless. You can look it up if you wish.

AKA, I just follow the group think that his head size got bigger, i have no link, and it's an assertion on my part.

Carry on with your strawman.

I always crack up when someone has no idea how to use the term strawman, but uses it anyway to try to sound intelligent.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Btw, to all the brainless Barry haters, I suggest you read this

Some fun snippets of how the ""unbiased" government handled this:


Quote:
A talented high jumper who played college basketball, Novitzky had grown up not far from Bonds on the San Francisco peninsula. Bonds had long been both popular and controversial in the Bay Area. The ballplayer filled stadiums and awed fans, but many locals found him less a Hank Aaron than a modern-day Ty Cobb—his talent matched by his surly demeanor.

Novitzky seemed to take the superstar’s cavalier treatment of the media and fans as a personal affront, and his raw comments about the legendary black baseball player made some colleagues uneasy. Novitzky never expressed irritation at Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco or the numerous other lighter-skinned pro athletes widely suspected of steroid use.

Quote:
Just weeks after White went undercover, he, Novitzky and other agents met at the San Jose federal building with the assistant U.S. attorney overseeing the case, Jeff Nedrow. Novitzky named the targets of the investigation: Bonds, Jason Giambi and other major leaguers. Working undercover, White was soon lifting weights with Bonds’s trainer, Greg Anderson. By late May 2003 Novitzky was so thrilled that he boasted to the two drug task-force agents about his hope to participate in a book and become famous. White also overheard the conversation. “He envisioned congressional hearings, book deals and TV,” said the lead task-force agent. “I was uncomfortable with that.”

“It was turned into a publicity stunt,” said another task-force agent, who found the idea that the IRS agent hoped to become a celebrity or profit from the case to be a clear violation of the investigator’s professional code. “We don’t chase headlines.”


Quote:
A week before that scheduled meeting Rains said the prosecutor left the following voice mail: “Why don’t you come about two to three hours before the scheduled grand-jury appearance. We’ll let you look at the documents then. I’ll see you at 10 o’clock.”

Rains and his driver arrived early on the morning of December 4, 2003 to pick up Bonds at his Hillsborough home. The next stop was a San Francisco police station more than a mile from the courthouse. The government wanted Novitzky to play chauffeur to Bonds on the day of his grand-jury testimony.

“Novitzky was in his federal car,” said Rains. “Barry and I jumped into the car, and Novitzky said hi.”

The IRS agent drove, Rains in front, Bonds in back. “Novitzky was fuming,” recalled Rains. “He was all hot and bothered. Barry was saying, ‘Mike, we can’t trust these guys.’”

When the sedan arrived at the federal building, “Novitzky did this 20- to 30-second wait,” said Rains. The cameras pushed in. Rains said Bonds started screaming at Novitzky, “Get this motherf**king car moving! This is f**king bulls**t!”


Quote:

On October 16, 2003 Novitzky’s investigation took a bizarre turn. Behind the scenes, unknown to the public following the story, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) opened an investigation of none other than Novitzky and his fellow agents. Six hundred of the approximately $60,000 in cash seized from Anderson was missing. Neither Novitzky nor the other IRS agents implicated would cooperate with the TIGTA investigators without lawyers.

Coincidentally, that very same day, Novitzky, under oath, gave his first testimony for the grand jury about BALCO:

You can hate the prosecutors, the media, etc, etc all you want we all know Barry Bonds guilty of doing steriods.

This is a witch hunt, a waste of money, and I don't want to see Bond's in jail, but call a spade a spade. He's a roider.

What did ANYTHING I posted have to do with whether he did steroids or not?

You called Barry Bonds haters brainless. Why do people hate Bonds? Mostly because he's a roider who cheated his way into the record books.

I don't want to hear how roids don't generate an increase in HR's. Because I'm supposed to believe that it's a coincedence that all of the sudden 50 HR's is once again an accomplishment.

Yet they don't hate Mark Mcgwire or Sammy Sosa as much. Why? Because he was a "bad guy" to the media? Yet the public has already forgiven Michael Vick for slaughtering dogs, but Barry is the biggest villain in sports.

Anyways, the link and quotes I provided weren't supposed to prove he didn't do roids. it was supposed to show all the people in this thread who said he was "guilty" that he's far from it. The charges aren't whether he did Roids or not. it's whether he lied to the grand jury.
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by dobo:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.

Yet Barry used the same size bat he did his whole career.

...but did not use the same size helmet.

Really? You have a link to this?

LOL, why would I bother wasting my time finding a link for you? You're so dug into your position that it'd be pointless. You can look it up if you wish.

AKA, I just follow the group think that his head size got bigger, i have no link, and it's an assertion on my part.

Carry on with your strawman.

I agree with you that Bonds is a target because he doesn't play nice with the media. I certainly agree that this trial is a complete joke and waste of time. But we both know Bonds took performance enhancing drugs for the same reason that many others in his era took them: to hit harder and recover faster. Whether his head got bigger or not, we know he took PEDs.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Lockout:
Originally posted by dobo:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
All I'm saying is that steroids doesn't make your hand-eye coordination better. Or give you the best baseball swing ever seen.

It makes you stronger, which increases bat speed, which makes the balls you hit go further, which means you have more homeruns. It's either naive, or blind homerism, to think that steroids doesn't improve hitting.

Or did Brady Anderson forget how to hit homeruns when he stopped using 'roids?

Also, when you're stronger you can also swing a heavier bat.

Yet Barry used the same size bat he did his whole career.

...but did not use the same size helmet.

Really? You have a link to this?

LOL, why would I bother wasting my time finding a link for you? You're so dug into your position that it'd be pointless. You can look it up if you wish.

AKA, I just follow the group think that his head size got bigger, i have no link, and it's an assertion on my part.

Carry on with your strawman.

I always crack up when someone has no idea how to use the term strawman, but uses it anyway to try to sound intelligent.

You made a claim, have no evidence to back it up, and are now focusing on other things to sway the subject.

In other words, you're a coward. Best go back to the Laker thread and praise the greatness of the rapist Kobe. See? I can sway the subject as well.
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