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Manny Pacquiao vs Mayweather could look a lot like this:

This clip shows you what could go wrong, has never happend to Floyd though: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/manny-pacquiao-vs-rustico-torrecampo/108086434250449510/?icid=VIDURVSPR06


I think we have to look at body of work and not just the Hatton and the golden boy fights.

Pacman has been knocked out or out pointed 3 times (not including the 2-3 draws)by fighters that weren't on Floyds level.

Question is do you guys believe that Pacman is on Floyds level?

Would Pacman still be considered pound for pound if he loses to Cotto?
Now if the answer is no, then what's the difference now and I say this because he has 3 loses on his record right now!

In my opinion Pacman has to beat Floyd to be considered the best pound for pound fighter.


Check out Floyd's record & opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
vs
Pcaman's opponenets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao

[ Edited by glorydayz on Sep 14, 2009 at 14:07:09 ]
Originally posted by glorydayz:
This clip shows you what could go wrong, has never happend to Floyd though: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/manny-pacquiao-vs-rustico-torrecampo/108086434250449510/?icid=VIDURVSPR06


I think we have to look at body of work and not just the Hatton and the golden boy fights.

Pacman has been knocked out or out pointed 3 times (not including the 2-3 draws)by fighters that weren't on Floyds level.

Question is do you guys believe that Pacman is on Floyds level?

Would Pacman still be considered pound for pound if he loses to Cotto?
Now if the answer is no, then what's the difference now and I say this because he has 3 loses on his record right now!

In my opinion Pacman has to beat Floyd to be considered the best pound for pound fighter.


Check out Floyd's record & opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
vs
Pcaman's opponenets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao



Don't get me wrong, I have a huge bias towards pacquiao, but I don't think Mayweather and Pacman should be measured against their records. Sure, mayweather hasn't lost a bout, but he seriously began nitpicking his fights, especially in the latter years of his career. Perfect example is his upcoming bout with Marquez. Couldn't fight Pacquiao yet, so he's gonna take on a guy he outweighs by over 10 lbs?


Don't get me wrong, I think Marquez is tough and pretty talented, but Mayweather is just gonna outlast him and dance around him all day and pick up another win. Pacquiao does have some draws and losses, but most were in his early career and he's done nothing but look more and more dominant every match since the loss to Morales. He is by far the best boxer pound for pound right now in the sport, including Mayweather.


In a couple of months, who knows, might have to say Mayweather, but I know for a fact right now no one is better than Pacman, and Mayweather better be ready, especially after Pacman knocks out Cotto...
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
This clip shows you what could go wrong, has never happend to Floyd though: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/manny-pacquiao-vs-rustico-torrecampo/108086434250449510/?icid=VIDURVSPR06


I think we have to look at body of work and not just the Hatton and the golden boy fights.

Pacman has been knocked out or out pointed 3 times (not including the 2-3 draws)by fighters that weren't on Floyds level.

Question is do you guys believe that Pacman is on Floyds level?

Would Pacman still be considered pound for pound if he loses to Cotto?
Now if the answer is no, then what's the difference now and I say this because he has 3 loses on his record right now!

In my opinion Pacman has to beat Floyd to be considered the best pound for pound fighter.


Check out Floyd's record & opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
vs
Pcaman's opponenets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao



Don't get me wrong, I have a huge bias towards pacquiao, but I don't think Mayweather and Pacman should be measured against their records. Sure, mayweather hasn't lost a bout, but he seriously began nitpicking his fights, especially in the latter years of his career. Perfect example is his upcoming bout with Marquez. Couldn't fight Pacquiao yet, so he's gonna take on a guy he outweighs by over 10 lbs?


Don't get me wrong, I think Marquez is tough and pretty talented, but Mayweather is just gonna outlast him and dance around him all day and pick up another win. Pacquiao does have some draws and losses, but most were in his early career and he's done nothing but look more and more dominant every match since the loss to Morales. He is by far the best boxer pound for pound right now in the sport, including Mayweather.


In a couple of months, who knows, might have to say Mayweather, but I know for a fact right now no one is better than Pacman, and Mayweather better be ready, especially after Pacman knocks out Cotto...

Did Floyd not move up in wieght just like Pacman? Floyd fought small when he first started and moved his way up, Pacman fought Marques twice and he should have lost both of them but he got a win and a draw so why wouldn't Floyd fight Marques?

Pacman never had a rematch against any of the guys that knocked him out, he did pay (a much older) Morales back though.

Check out this knock out and tell me that he could stand in there with Floyd?

http://www.pacquiaovideo.com/2006/08/manny-pacquiao-vs-medgoen-singsurat.html
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
This clip shows you what could go wrong, has never happend to Floyd though: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/manny-pacquiao-vs-rustico-torrecampo/108086434250449510/?icid=VIDURVSPR06


I think we have to look at body of work and not just the Hatton and the golden boy fights.

Pacman has been knocked out or out pointed 3 times (not including the 2-3 draws)by fighters that weren't on Floyds level.

Question is do you guys believe that Pacman is on Floyds level?

Would Pacman still be considered pound for pound if he loses to Cotto?
Now if the answer is no, then what's the difference now and I say this because he has 3 loses on his record right now!

In my opinion Pacman has to beat Floyd to be considered the best pound for pound fighter.


Check out Floyd's record & opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
vs
Pcaman's opponenets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao



Don't get me wrong, I have a huge bias towards pacquiao, but I don't think Mayweather and Pacman should be measured against their records. Sure, mayweather hasn't lost a bout, but he seriously began nitpicking his fights, especially in the latter years of his career. Perfect example is his upcoming bout with Marquez. Couldn't fight Pacquiao yet, so he's gonna take on a guy he outweighs by over 10 lbs?


Don't get me wrong, I think Marquez is tough and pretty talented, but Mayweather is just gonna outlast him and dance around him all day and pick up another win. Pacquiao does have some draws and losses, but most were in his early career and he's done nothing but look more and more dominant every match since the loss to Morales. He is by far the best boxer pound for pound right now in the sport, including Mayweather.


In a couple of months, who knows, might have to say Mayweather, but I know for a fact right now no one is better than Pacman, and Mayweather better be ready, especially after Pacman knocks out Cotto...

agree....

Difference being Mayweather is on the decline vs. Pacquiao is on the rise... Former bouts does not equate to how they are right now.

- 98
Originally posted by kidash98:
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
This clip shows you what could go wrong, has never happend to Floyd though: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/manny-pacquiao-vs-rustico-torrecampo/108086434250449510/?icid=VIDURVSPR06


I think we have to look at body of work and not just the Hatton and the golden boy fights.

Pacman has been knocked out or out pointed 3 times (not including the 2-3 draws)by fighters that weren't on Floyds level.

Question is do you guys believe that Pacman is on Floyds level?

Would Pacman still be considered pound for pound if he loses to Cotto?
Now if the answer is no, then what's the difference now and I say this because he has 3 loses on his record right now!

In my opinion Pacman has to beat Floyd to be considered the best pound for pound fighter.


Check out Floyd's record & opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
vs
Pcaman's opponenets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao



Don't get me wrong, I have a huge bias towards pacquiao, but I don't think Mayweather and Pacman should be measured against their records. Sure, mayweather hasn't lost a bout, but he seriously began nitpicking his fights, especially in the latter years of his career. Perfect example is his upcoming bout with Marquez. Couldn't fight Pacquiao yet, so he's gonna take on a guy he outweighs by over 10 lbs?


Don't get me wrong, I think Marquez is tough and pretty talented, but Mayweather is just gonna outlast him and dance around him all day and pick up another win. Pacquiao does have some draws and losses, but most were in his early career and he's done nothing but look more and more dominant every match since the loss to Morales. He is by far the best boxer pound for pound right now in the sport, including Mayweather.


In a couple of months, who knows, might have to say Mayweather, but I know for a fact right now no one is better than Pacman, and Mayweather better be ready, especially after Pacman knocks out Cotto...

agree....

Difference being Mayweather is on the decline vs. Pacquiao is on the rise... Former bouts does not equate to how they are right now.

- 98

How do you figure this? Floyd hasn't lost a fight so how do you figure he is on the decline? He beat Hatton & Oscar just like Manny did so what are you talking about?
Pretty Boy Floyd is going to beat Pacman......a lot of people on this site don't want to admit it, but it's true.

He's bigger, but just as fast as Pacquiao, and excels at counterpunching. That spells bad news for Pacquiao (who has always been much faster than the guys who were bigger than him - De la Hoya, Hatton being good examples. He doesn't have that advantage against Mayweather.)
Originally posted by kidash98:
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
This clip shows you what could go wrong, has never happend to Floyd though: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/manny-pacquiao-vs-rustico-torrecampo/108086434250449510/?icid=VIDURVSPR06


I think we have to look at body of work and not just the Hatton and the golden boy fights.

Pacman has been knocked out or out pointed 3 times (not including the 2-3 draws)by fighters that weren't on Floyds level.

Question is do you guys believe that Pacman is on Floyds level?

Would Pacman still be considered pound for pound if he loses to Cotto?
Now if the answer is no, then what's the difference now and I say this because he has 3 loses on his record right now!

In my opinion Pacman has to beat Floyd to be considered the best pound for pound fighter.


Check out Floyd's record & opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
vs
Pcaman's opponenets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao



Don't get me wrong, I have a huge bias towards pacquiao, but I don't think Mayweather and Pacman should be measured against their records. Sure, mayweather hasn't lost a bout, but he seriously began nitpicking his fights, especially in the latter years of his career. Perfect example is his upcoming bout with Marquez. Couldn't fight Pacquiao yet, so he's gonna take on a guy he outweighs by over 10 lbs?


Don't get me wrong, I think Marquez is tough and pretty talented, but Mayweather is just gonna outlast him and dance around him all day and pick up another win. Pacquiao does have some draws and losses, but most were in his early career and he's done nothing but look more and more dominant every match since the loss to Morales. He is by far the best boxer pound for pound right now in the sport, including Mayweather.


In a couple of months, who knows, might have to say Mayweather, but I know for a fact right now no one is better than Pacman, and Mayweather better be ready, especially after Pacman knocks out Cotto...

agree....

Difference being Mayweather is on the decline vs. Pacquiao is on the rise... Former bouts does not equate to how they are right now.

- 98
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Originally posted by kidash98:
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
This clip shows you what could go wrong, has never happend to Floyd though: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/manny-pacquiao-vs-rustico-torrecampo/108086434250449510/?icid=VIDURVSPR06


I think we have to look at body of work and not just the Hatton and the golden boy fights.

Pacman has been knocked out or out pointed 3 times (not including the 2-3 draws)by fighters that weren't on Floyds level.

Question is do you guys believe that Pacman is on Floyds level?

Would Pacman still be considered pound for pound if he loses to Cotto?
Now if the answer is no, then what's the difference now and I say this because he has 3 loses on his record right now!

In my opinion Pacman has to beat Floyd to be considered the best pound for pound fighter.


Check out Floyd's record & opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
vs
Pcaman's opponenets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao



Don't get me wrong, I have a huge bias towards pacquiao, but I don't think Mayweather and Pacman should be measured against their records. Sure, mayweather hasn't lost a bout, but he seriously began nitpicking his fights, especially in the latter years of his career. Perfect example is his upcoming bout with Marquez. Couldn't fight Pacquiao yet, so he's gonna take on a guy he outweighs by over 10 lbs?


Don't get me wrong, I think Marquez is tough and pretty talented, but Mayweather is just gonna outlast him and dance around him all day and pick up another win. Pacquiao does have some draws and losses, but most were in his early career and he's done nothing but look more and more dominant every match since the loss to Morales. He is by far the best boxer pound for pound right now in the sport, including Mayweather.


In a couple of months, who knows, might have to say Mayweather, but I know for a fact right now no one is better than Pacman, and Mayweather better be ready, especially after Pacman knocks out Cotto...

agree....

Difference being Mayweather is on the decline vs. Pacquiao is on the rise... Former bouts does not equate to how they are right now.

- 98

LOL
Originally posted by nipplehead:
Pretty Boy Floyd is going to beat Pacman......a lot of people on this site don't want to admit it, but it's true.

He's bigger, but just as fast as Pacquiao, and excels at counterpunching. That spells bad news for Pacquiao (who has always been much faster than the guys who were bigger than him - De la Hoya, Hatton being good examples. He doesn't have that advantage against Mayweather.)

Pacman has improved tremendously. One of his biggest knocks was that he was a strict south-paw, and he showed vs Hatton he has a strong right. In all honesty, I know right now Pacman would beat Mayweather. After his warmup (Marquez), if he can regain form after the time off then he might beat Pacman...but i hope not, lol

If he can, i'd be willing to put mayweather up to top 5 all time for actually succeeding against a top opponent (outside hatton).
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
This clip shows you what could go wrong, has never happend to Floyd though: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/manny-pacquiao-vs-rustico-torrecampo/108086434250449510/?icid=VIDURVSPR06


I think we have to look at body of work and not just the Hatton and the golden boy fights.

Pacman has been knocked out or out pointed 3 times (not including the 2-3 draws)by fighters that weren't on Floyds level.

Question is do you guys believe that Pacman is on Floyds level?

Would Pacman still be considered pound for pound if he loses to Cotto?
Now if the answer is no, then what's the difference now and I say this because he has 3 loses on his record right now!

In my opinion Pacman has to beat Floyd to be considered the best pound for pound fighter.


Check out Floyd's record & opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
vs
Pcaman's opponenets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao



Don't get me wrong, I have a huge bias towards pacquiao, but I don't think Mayweather and Pacman should be measured against their records. Sure, mayweather hasn't lost a bout, but he seriously began nitpicking his fights, especially in the latter years of his career. Perfect example is his upcoming bout with Marquez. Couldn't fight Pacquiao yet, so he's gonna take on a guy he outweighs by over 10 lbs?


Don't get me wrong, I think Marquez is tough and pretty talented, but Mayweather is just gonna outlast him and dance around him all day and pick up another win. Pacquiao does have some draws and losses, but most were in his early career and he's done nothing but look more and more dominant every match since the loss to Morales. He is by far the best boxer pound for pound right now in the sport, including Mayweather.


In a couple of months, who knows, might have to say Mayweather, but I know for a fact right now no one is better than Pacman, and Mayweather better be ready, especially after Pacman knocks out Cotto...

I do not agree with you saying Marques is pretty talented, he went head to head with pacman both fights and the last fight IMO he should have won. Marquez and Pacman are different fighters in pacman being a more agressive fighter while marquez also aggressive at times, he is more a technician with very good and underrated defense.

Also pacman does not want to fight marquez again. Marquez has called him out after the last fight but the pacman camp has not wanted any part and as a result maquez went for floyd. After Marquez fight with Diaz he spoke IIRC about him wanting to fight pacman.
Let's look at their most recent common opponent. It took Mayweather 10 rounds to take care of Hatton. Manny knocked him out in 2. Therefore, by this flawed logic (just like some others are posting), Manny wins.
LOL. You're kidding me right? I'm not one who doesn't think Mayweather can beat Pacquiao, because he can certainly shoulder roll his way to a decision. The potential fight can be a true contrast of styles and an excellent pitting of strategies. Mayweather would certainly be the favorite against Pacquiao and I am a Pacquiao fan.

But to show a clip of Pacquiao's fight vs Torrecampo when he was 16 years old and worlds away of being the fighter he is today is just laughable. Mayweather has surely been a greatly seasoned fighter since his professional debut, but Pacquiao has come from further depths of being a single punch fighter at a virtually stickfigure weight to filling out and being a more well-rounded versatile boxer. (Better in the sense of showing improvement, not necessarily better than Floyd) He's progressively gotten better through his historic fights with the Mexican hall-of-fame fighters and has shown marked improvement.

Mayweather's been a great fighter from the get-go so most Pacquiao fans will be quick to discredit really how good he is. But please don't bring up their resumes because Mayweather nowhere nearly has as great a resume as Pacman.

It's been noted over and over and over again. Why didn't Floyd fight Margarito? Cotto? Mosley? Because he was plain scared and had more to lose than gain. Fighting the cash cow DLH was the money fight. Fighting the smaller and slower fighter Hatton was the next big money fight. Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito all posed greater risks which is why he stayed away.

People like to point out that Pacquiao's recent fights have been handpicked which I agree to some extent. Choosing Diaz, the easiest opponent to introduce Pac to lightweight was the smartest business decision his camp could've made. DLH showing up in the ring at 145 and the smaller man weight-wise was not Pac's choosing. DLH could've easily entered the ring at 155-158 but chose not to. Why discredit Pac for DLH's poor training regimen and fight plan? The Hatton bout was the perfect example of how far Pac's come as a fighter. Watch his first fight with Morales and compare the two bouts. Big improvements.

I digress however, the main point I was trying to make was Mayweather's ducked more fighters than a Whack-a-Mole game. To his credit though, his divisions early on in his career never had as many marquee names as Pacquiao did in the super-featherweight division. People like to point out that Pacquiao is the "catchweight king" which I respond with, "he's never. EVER. fought anyone at a catchweight." Ever. This Cotto bout would be the first in his 50 or so odd fights that he's fought at a catchweight. Either way, he's still fighting the bigger fighter yet again.

Mayweather vs. Marquez. Step 1.

Pacman vs. Cotto. Step 2.

We've got to crawl before we walk. We'll worry about the megafight that will never happen when these two fights are over.
And another thing, I'll take Pacquiao's 3 losses with his fight resume over a Mayweather unblemished resume who's highlights are wins over the great Corrales, a win over a smaller Hatton, and a less than stellar win vs DLH.
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
LOL. You're kidding me right? I'm not one who doesn't think Mayweather can beat Pacquiao, because he can certainly shoulder roll his way to a decision. The potential fight can be a true contrast of styles and an excellent pitting of strategies. Mayweather would certainly be the favorite against Pacquiao and I am a Pacquiao fan.

But to show a clip of Pacquiao's fight vs Torrecampo when he was 16 years old and worlds away of being the fighter he is today is just laughable. Mayweather has surely been a greatly seasoned fighter since his professional debut, but Pacquiao has come from further depths of being a single punch fighter at a virtually stickfigure weight to filling out and being a more well-rounded versatile boxer. (Better in the sense of showing improvement, not necessarily better than Floyd) He's progressively gotten better through his historic fights with the Mexican hall-of-fame fighters and has shown marked improvement.

Mayweather's been a great fighter from the get-go so most Pacquiao fans will be quick to discredit really how good he is. But please don't bring up their resumes because Mayweather nowhere nearly has as great a resume as Pacman.

It's been noted over and over and over again. Why didn't Floyd fight Margarito? Cotto? Mosley? Because he was plain scared and had more to lose than gain. Fighting the cash cow DLH was the money fight. Fighting the smaller and slower fighter Hatton was the next big money fight. Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito all posed greater risks which is why he stayed away.

People like to point out that Pacquiao's recent fights have been handpicked which I agree to some extent. Choosing Diaz, the easiest opponent to introduce Pac to lightweight was the smartest business decision his camp could've made. DLH showing up in the ring at 145 and the smaller man weight-wise was not Pac's choosing. DLH could've easily entered the ring at 155-158 but chose not to. Why discredit Pac for DLH's poor training regimen and fight plan? The Hatton bout was the perfect example of how far Pac's come as a fighter. Watch his first fight with Morales and compare the two bouts. Big improvements.

I digress however, the main point I was trying to make was Mayweather's ducked more fighters than a Whack-a-Mole game. To his credit though, his divisions early on in his career never had as many marquee names as Pacquiao did in the super-featherweight division. People like to point out that Pacquiao is the "catchweight king" which I respond with, "he's never. EVER. fought anyone at a catchweight." Ever. This Cotto bout would be the first in his 50 or so odd fights that he's fought at a catchweight. Either way, he's still fighting the bigger fighter yet again.

Mayweather vs. Marquez. Step 1.

Pacman vs. Cotto. Step 2.

We've got to crawl before we walk. We'll worry about the megafight that will never happen when these two fights are over.

Is it true that you tried to make a fight with Miguel Cotto at 140 pounds and Arum blocked it when you were both under the same promotional umbrella?



Mayweather: Of course, because he knew I wasn’t going to be with him for much longer. That fight would be great, Cotto’s a good fighter. I think Pacquiao’s a good fighter too and one of the best fighters out there. The difference with me is that I’m a good fighter too and also an extraordinary businessman. I chose to have great businessmen around me to further my career.
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
LOL. You're kidding me right? I'm not one who doesn't think Mayweather can beat Pacquiao, because he can certainly shoulder roll his way to a decision. The potential fight can be a true contrast of styles and an excellent pitting of strategies. Mayweather would certainly be the favorite against Pacquiao and I am a Pacquiao fan.

But to show a clip of Pacquiao's fight vs Torrecampo when he was 16 years old and worlds away of being the fighter he is today is just laughable. Mayweather has surely been a greatly seasoned fighter since his professional debut, but Pacquiao has come from further depths of being a single punch fighter at a virtually stickfigure weight to filling out and being a more well-rounded versatile boxer. (Better in the sense of showing improvement, not necessarily better than Floyd) He's progressively gotten better through his historic fights with the Mexican hall-of-fame fighters and has shown marked improvement.

Mayweather's been a great fighter from the get-go so most Pacquiao fans will be quick to discredit really how good he is. But please don't bring up their resumes because Mayweather nowhere nearly has as great a resume as Pacman.

It's been noted over and over and over again. Why didn't Floyd fight Margarito? Cotto? Mosley? Because he was plain scared and had more to lose than gain. Fighting the cash cow DLH was the money fight. Fighting the smaller and slower fighter Hatton was the next big money fight. Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito all posed greater risks which is why he stayed away.

People like to point out that Pacquiao's recent fights have been handpicked which I agree to some extent. Choosing Diaz, the easiest opponent to introduce Pac to lightweight was the smartest business decision his camp could've made. DLH showing up in the ring at 145 and the smaller man weight-wise was not Pac's choosing. DLH could've easily entered the ring at 155-158 but chose not to. Why discredit Pac for DLH's poor training regimen and fight plan? The Hatton bout was the perfect example of how far Pac's come as a fighter. Watch his first fight with Morales and compare the two bouts. Big improvements.

I digress however, the main point I was trying to make was Mayweather's ducked more fighters than a Whack-a-Mole game. To his credit though, his divisions early on in his career never had as many marquee names as Pacquiao did in the super-featherweight division. People like to point out that Pacquiao is the "catchweight king" which I respond with, "he's never. EVER. fought anyone at a catchweight." Ever. This Cotto bout would be the first in his 50 or so odd fights that he's fought at a catchweight. Either way, he's still fighting the bigger fighter yet again.

Mayweather vs. Marquez. Step 1.

Pacman vs. Cotto. Step 2.

We've got to crawl before we walk. We'll worry about the megafight that will never happen when these two fights are over.








Point, set, match......PHIL with a 1 round TKO


Could possibly be faster than a speeding bullet, but not faster than pacman's fists or PWilly's hits