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2009 Oakland A's thread

For what it's worth, SJ mayor Reed said in an MSNBC article that you probably could find the link to at ML's park blog, that there is a better than 50/50 chance that the A's move to SJ and a recent meetings down in SJ there were quite a few pro SJ A's fans down like the SJ Downtown residential association so that's good unlike the circus atmosphere you had regarding Fremont.

SJ A's, like it more and more when I think about it even though it still wouldn't be the same as if the A's remaining in Oakland but keeping the org here locally should be the main goal and if SJ is the best and realistic option, then I'm all for it.
Another Oakland native, and I'm actually with you here. I just can't see this franchise surviving in Oakland, even if we were able to build a new ballpark.
I do think the A's had they built a park a few years ago in Oakland, they'd be doing well right now but what the previous two A's owners wanted all along was to move down south to the south bay money.

With MLB tabling the A's ownership group that wanted to buy the team nearly a decade ago led by Dolich who was the PR man under the Haas family and at this point works for the Niners, Piccinni(sp?), Zimmer the guy who owns the suit company, Oakland Tribune owner, and countless others...I think if they had owned the team over the past decade, I'd put good money on it they would've built a new stadium and they'd be drawing 3 million per season.

But at this point, the A's actually building a new park is mute. A's ownership has never wanted to look towards Oakland as the long term home of this org and the city of Oakland has other issues rather than keeping the one IMO loyal team in this city.
Although ML had a good summary of what could be done to renovate the coliseum if the day comes the Raiders move out but again, I doubt the A's would wanna spend the hundreds of millions of dollars to do such a renovation ala what LAA did when the Rams moved away from Anaheim 14 or 15 years ago.

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When considering this divergence, it's easy to see how Mt. Davis was constructed. Function ruled over form, with the mission being to stuff as many seats and suites into a small space as possible. The east side wing now sits as a massive concrete albatross, costing Oakland and Alameda County a combined $22 million in debt service and operating costs per year for the next 18 years. It's fine to want the thing demolished, but if one or both teams are going stay there, someone has to pay for it. The meager lease the A's pay hardly makes a dent. However, you're not going to get more out of the A's in the next lease than what you're getting now. Who knows what an extension for the Raiders might look like? The Coliseum JPA is truly stuck. They have to justify the debt service somehow, yet it only costs them more to keep the two tenants in the Coliseum. How ironic that one of the Coliseum's tenants has a white elephant as a mascot.

Still, let's posit that the Raiders do actually leave after the 2010 season, leaving the A's in the Coliseum for at least 3 years. Let's go with the idea of demolishing Mt. Davis, then remaking the outfield to look like the old Coliseum. There are several improvements that could be made cheaply that would make the old girl a better experience for fans. The changes wouldn't bring it up to par with a modern ballpark, but that's not the point. It's an interim step until the A's and Oakland/Alameda County figure something else out, whatever that is.
Get rid of the fences and concrete barriers. These "spite fences," erected when the Raiders moved back in, are the antithesis of fan friendliness. They prevent views of the field from the concourse and limit sunlight from filtering in. The barriers have managed to make the concourse more drab and claustrophobic than it was originally.
Remove the last 4 rows of the lower level. By removing these rows, the lower concourse can be expanded 11 feet all around (with the exception of the stairwells). Circulation would be improved. New standing room areas can be introduced, as well as new ADA wheelchair locations, which would be properly elevated above the row of seats in front of them. Net loss of 2,000 seats.
Remove the last 3 rows of the plaza level. If you've ever sat in these seats, you know what I mean. You're at eye level with the overhang. You half expect bats to hang from the ceiling. The wind whips through, making things uncomfortable. The seats themselves aren't the most accessible because you have to contend with the stairs leading to the upper deck. This change only affects the sections down the foul lines, because of suites and the West Side Club. Net loss of 1,000 seats.
Tear off the tarps and remove the first three rows of the view level. The seats themselves are useless as long as the first row is used for circulation. For years, the A's wouldn't sell many of these seats until the seats above them were sold because of this problem. Instead, convert some of these rows into group or party areas. Cordon them off the way the East Side sections are separated, and the circulation problem goes away. I've always thought it would be cool to have a bunch of recliners at the front of section 317. Net loss of 1,400 seats.
Bring back the bleachers, iceplant, and monuments.
Handrails, please. The view and plaza levels are not particularly steep compared to other stadia, but they could still use handrails, especially for those who've had a few either in or out of the ballpark.
Upgrade the restrooms. This means new fixtures and the removal of troughs. An additional women's restroom may be needed to properly address potty parity.
Reduce the number of suites by expanding them. It doesn't solve the problem of not having an exclusive concourse. However, reducing inventory introduces scarcity, plus the suites can be redone in a more attractive way by including bathrooms and increasing space inside each suite. Net loss of 20 suites.
Move the Stomper Fun Zone to the outfield. Yes, it reeks of Coke bottle slides and gigantic gloves, but it's a way to spiff up the look of the park. It advertises how family friendly the place is. Plus it's not tucked into some out-of-the-way location as the current Fun Zone is. May reduce bleacher capacity a several hundred seats.
Combine the two DiamondVision screens. They're old and obsolete, but if no one wants to pony up $5-10 million for a new LED board, combining the two screens would make for a decent sized screen. Or if they only used one, the other could be used for parts.
New capacity would be 44,500, down from the pre-Mt. Davis capacity of 49,219. Again, it doesn't solve all of the other problems the A's have with the stadium. It does create a more fan-friendly, intimate atmosphere, with needed upgrades to several locations within the Coliseum. I figure these modifications would cost $25 million, including the demolition and rebuilding of the outfield. I may be underestimating the cost, and I have no idea how it would be paid for. The Raiders could easily destroy the fantasy of so many A's fans by signing an extension at the Coliseum, which contrary to popular belief, is what they were seeking when they settled with the JPA over three years ago.
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Vin Mazzaro looked good today...3 innings 4 hits/0 runs
Good showing by Mazzaro again.

A's young talent in ST is coming thru, if only Simmons could get his act together.
Also Doolittle hit a HR, he's been doing well also in ST.

Before today he was 6/17 including leading the team in 2Bs with four. Remember he did well in the winter leagues so hopefully this positive momentum he carries from this WL/ST sessions will help him rebound in AA after he struggled there last season after having a very good start to the year at A+.

If Doolittle, Weeks, Carter, Cardenas, Donaldson and maybe C.Brown can step it up this season...be huge since the positional talent in the minors has been lagging behind the pitching which is understandable when the A's pitching depth is considered the best in the minors but the A's also don't have that legit blue chip positional player which many of the top 4-5 minor league systems can point to.
Originally posted by ninerpride:
I do think the A's had they built a park a few years ago in Oakland, they'd be doing well right now but what the previous two A's owners wanted all along was to move down south to the south bay money.

With MLB tabling the A's ownership group that wanted to buy the team nearly a decade ago led by Dolich who was the PR man under the Haas family and at this point works for the Niners, Piccinni(sp?), Zimmer the guy who owns the suit company, Oakland Tribune owner, and countless others...I think if they had owned the team over the past decade, I'd put good money on it they would've built a new stadium and they'd be drawing 3 million per season.

But at this point, the A's actually building a new park is mute. A's ownership has never wanted to look towards Oakland as the long term home of this org and the city of Oakland has other issues rather than keeping the one IMO loyal team in this city.

Like I've said before I think even with a new stadium in Oakland we still wouldn't draw much of a bigger fan base. We'd still be in the shadow of the San Francisco Media Bias even with our new stadium. I'm really praying that Bud Selig helps make the T rights in line with how other two team markets are divided up and we can build in San Jose. In San Jos we can get nthe whole an Jose, Santa Clara and beyond South bay behind the A's and have a legitimate fan base.
I disagree, if the A's had a new park especially if it was in downtown Oakland or near the waterfront, they'd be drawing a hell of a lot more fans than they have really since Mt. Davis was constructed.

Add to the fact that the previous two ownerships have spit in the face of the city of Oakland many times that I've posted previously, have always had this aura of the team not only moving out of Oakland but the entire bay area, and the fact they keep ripping the coliseum...doesn't help the attendance.

If the A's had a new park and were committed to this area, and oh yeah embrace the fans here locally in the east bay...three things that aren't hard and something the Haas family did to a tee with the help of Dolich...I believe they would be drawing as much as they did during their heyday back in the late 80s-early 90s.

They'd be drawing 25K-30K on average at least for a season...if you have a new park and are a winning team, you look at around MLB the past decade plus with all these newer parks being built and if that park has a winning team, they draw period no matter what.

But the A's fans here haven't gotten any of those things. They got a sub par park compared to 95% of the other venues out there, an ownership group that has never embraced the fans/city they're apart of, and again have already threatened to move the team...really 3 of the A's 4 owners in Oakland have done this other than the Haas family...and shockingly they did well with the attendance.
As for SJ, yeah it's not up to SFG to decide whether they keep the territorial rights, it's up to the MLB owners and even though it's not the same, but they moved the Nats to Washington which the Orioles believed was their "territory" but it was in best interests for the league to move the team to DC.

Same could be said about the A's and SJ. I don't see any other place in the country willing to bring in a pro franchise right now. SJ is only one of the few teams that has been searching for another pro team, there are rumors or reports, that the Kings may wanna move down from SacTown to SJ. Plus they have the people with enough money to help invest in a new team with Silicon Valley down there in the south bay.

Sure a lot of them are SF fans but if the A's move down there, I don't think these fans are complete die hards that they wouldn't come to A's games and root for the team. Bay Area I don't think with baseball fans has that hatred between the two teams like it may have with football...even though I'd put myself on that list of being a die hard to only ONE of the teams in each respective sport.

If you got the A's owners and the politicians willing to get a deal done, I don't see how MLB could deny the org/city from getting the two sides together on a park deal down in SJ.

Again, not like SF had these territorial rights forever...the Haas family lent the rights as a gesture of good will to the team when SF was looking to build a park down in SJ back what 20 years ago? It was SF that then stabbed the A's franchise in the back by not relenquishing those rights back to where it was beforehand when both team had rights to the south bay. At this time, the A's only have 2 counties as "territorial rights" while SF has what the remaining 4 or 5 counties in the bay area as their rights.

That's complete BS and hopefully the A's challenge this s**t.
A's released Bowen who they got in the Kendall deal a few years ago along with Blevins.

Guess the A's will be going with a youngsters or at least a player in Powell or Galarraga who has no MLB experience.


Just looking at their ST, you'd think Galarraga who the A's signed from Mexioco this past offseason would have the edge. Galarraga's ST line of .417/.417/417 is much better than Powell's .211/.318/.368.
Seems like Powell is the fav reading some thoughts by the A's beat writers.
Heads up that the A's game tomorrow will be the first A's game to air on CSNCA at 1 PM PST.

A half hour before the game, the A's 09 preview show will re air.
^^^ninerpride....off topic but what is the site you go to for you niner discussion? the Webzone Niner talk is turning into more and more of a joke with each passing days. I used to be able to have good niner discussion but now all i find is a million poorly written threads about how bad Scot McCloughan is because he didn't sign a whole bunch of high profile free agents.

I would appreciate if you could help me out.
I post at NCH but if you're not looking for negativity, then it's not the site/board for you.

Especially coming from me as I'm as pessamistic as you could get on that board about the Niners as a whole.