Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:I would rank the staffs 1-5 this way:
Right now based on talent alone:
Philly - ridiculous obviously
Giants - Vogelsong is the real deal IMO. Also: f**k Barry Zito.
Rays - Price/Shields are really good, Hellickson and Neimann are also pretty good. Pitch in an extremely hitter-favored division.
Brewers - Greinke/Marcum/Gallardo/Parra
Braves - Hudson/Hanson/Beachy/Jurrjens/Minor - maybe most complete 1-5.
Cards - Wainright/Garcia alone Carpenter also good. Lohse/Westbrook question marks.
The rest are easily debatable, but I like the Tigers (Verlander/Fister/Scherzer/Porcello) more than the Angels and I think the A's have a younger, but just as promising staff (Cahill/Anderson/Gio/Braden) and also think the Marlins are going to have a good year (JJ/Buerhle/Nolasco/Sanchez).
Tampa Bay ( they have the best 1-5)
SF (only if Vogelsong repeats the same year)
Braves ( like them but injury issues and Minor is unproven)
* Brewers.. You cant seriously think that is better than the Angels. Greinke has regressed some, Marcum has slightly better than average stuff, Para????
* Tigers.. Unproven really after Verlander. Porcello is WAY overrated. Very hittable. Fister one good year. No chance this staff is better than Angels
* Oakland.. LOL Anderson hurt every year, I like Gio a lot - not the rest
Key phrase "based on talent alone." Do I think all those staffs will perform better than the Angels? Not necessarily, but pound for pound they have just as much talent, if not more than the current Angels staff.
We will just have to agree to disagree. I think you underestimate Haren quite a bit. He would be a #1 on the majority of teams in baseball. Wilson was the #1 for the 2 time defending AL champs, and Santana can be unhittable at times.