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Apr 10, 2009 at 9:43 AM
- StOnEy333
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So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:12 AM
- TX9R
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I thought my post was pretty clear. And that it would indeed cause a panty-bunching among laker types. I stick by it, for reasons I laid out. I remember the Cavs sweeping San Antonio in the regular season too in 2007.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
[ Edited by Joecool on Apr 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM ]
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by TX9R:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I thought my post was pretty clear. And that it would indeed cause a panty-bunching among laker types. I stick by it, for reasons I laid out. I remember the Cavs sweeping San Antonio in the regular season too in 2007.
Wow. Good luck with that.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
I don't think Stoney either understands what match up means, or is just such a fanboy that any possibility of anyone beating LA clouds his ability to read. For the record I already said LA is the favorite. The question is about matchups.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by TX9R:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
I don't think Stoney either understands what match up means, or is just such a fanboy that any possibility of anyone beating LA clouds his ability to read. For the record I already said LA is the favorite. The question is about matchups.
It's playoff time!! Almost!!
Which means, Rockets and Lakers suck!!!!!!!!!
[ Edited by Joecool on Apr 10, 2009 at 10:24 AM ]
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by TX9R:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
I don't think Stoney either understands what match up means, or is just such a fanboy that any possibility of anyone beating LA clouds his ability to read. For the record I already said LA is the favorite. The question is about matchups.
By that logic, let's talk about who has the nicest hair-doos. It has nothing to do with what will actually happen on the court, but it makes good conversation.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
I think that's an excellent way of phrasing it, and I agree. The Rockets are better equipped to deal with Kobe than anyone else in the league w/Battier & Artest, and Bynum has a hard time on offense against guys that are bigger than him. (Yao) I see where TX is coming from.
That being said, I don't think that Houston has the offensive firepower to beat the Lakers, and Artest usually wants to prove what a big man he is by jacking up 3's in Kobe's face. Artest always seems to mentally disintegrate after Kobe hits a couple of tough shots on him and turns it into a 1-on-1 thing.
As for Utah, I think that Lowry would be very key in that series.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
I think that's an excellent way of phrasing it, and I agree. The Rockets are better equipped to deal with Kobe than anyone else in the league w/Battier & Artest, and Bynum has a hard time on offense against guys that are bigger than him. (Yao) I see where TX is coming from.
That being said, I don't think that Houston has the offensive firepower to beat the Lakers, and Artest usually wants to prove what a big man he is by jacking up 3's in Kobe's face. Artest always seems to mentally disintegrate after Kobe hits a couple of tough shots on him and turns it into a 1-on-1 thing.
As for Utah, I think that Lowry would be very key in that series.
Houston doesn't have the firepower. Man, if T-Lack can put his ego aside, he would be deadly coming off the bench with the #2s. He is always looking to score and I think he would really put the Rockets to an elite level if he decided to do that. Top teams have good firepower coming off the bench.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
I think that's an excellent way of phrasing it, and I agree. The Rockets are better equipped to deal with Kobe than anyone else in the league w/Battier & Artest, and Bynum has a hard time on offense against guys that are bigger than him. (Yao) I see where TX is coming from.
That being said, I don't think that Houston has the offensive firepower to beat the Lakers, and Artest usually wants to prove what a big man he is by jacking up 3's in Kobe's face. Artest always seems to mentally disintegrate after Kobe hits a couple of tough shots on him and turns it into a 1-on-1 thing.
As for Utah, I think that Lowry would be very key in that series.
Do any of the contenders? For anyone to beat LA, they will have to make it a low scoring game, which Houston is capable of doing, as is Cle or Boston. Is it likely that that will happen enough to win a series, not very, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. It really doesn't matter though because even if this does happen, when it comes down to calls are the refs going to favor Kobe or Ron Artest in any situation? This why I think Cleveland is the only team with a chance. When it matters, stars get the calls and the only one who gets more iffy ones is LBJ.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by TX9R:
Do any of the contenders? For anyone to beat LA, they will have to make it a low scoring game, which Houston is capable of doing, as is Cle or Boston. Is it likely that that will happen enough to win a series, not very, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. It really doesn't matter though because even if this does happen, when it comes down to calls are the refs going to favor Kobe or Ron Artest in any situation? This why I think Cleveland is the only team with a chance. When it matters, stars get the calls and the only one who gets more iffy ones is LBJ.
But even in a slow-paced game, the Lakers still have two 7 footers that thrive in the half court, and it's very difficult to keep both of them off of the offensive glass. It's very difficult to get anything but jump shots against them if you don't run.
That's why the only team that scares me is a healthy Boston squad. They can slow the game down, and then they have two very good interior defenders/rebounders that have enough size to match up with our bigs. When Bynum's healthy, this team is REALLY big. I still think the Lakers would beat them in a 7 game series, but they're our most difficult matchup.
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by TX9R:Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
I think that's an excellent way of phrasing it, and I agree. The Rockets are better equipped to deal with Kobe than anyone else in the league w/Battier & Artest, and Bynum has a hard time on offense against guys that are bigger than him. (Yao) I see where TX is coming from.
That being said, I don't think that Houston has the offensive firepower to beat the Lakers, and Artest usually wants to prove what a big man he is by jacking up 3's in Kobe's face. Artest always seems to mentally disintegrate after Kobe hits a couple of tough shots on him and turns it into a 1-on-1 thing.
As for Utah, I think that Lowry would be very key in that series.
Do any of the contenders? For anyone to beat LA, they will have to make it a low scoring game, which Houston is capable of doing, as is Cle or Boston. Is it likely that that will happen enough to win a series, not very, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. It really doesn't matter though because even if this does happen, when it comes down to calls are the refs going to favor Kobe or Ron Artest in any situation? This why I think Cleveland is the only team with a chance. When it matters, stars get the calls and the only one who gets more iffy ones is LBJ.
Teams lose focus against LA. LA thrives on turnovers. They force a team into playing sloppier than they normally do because of their length. Teams think a normal pass in most situations will also work against the Lakers until they see the back of a yellow jersey on a free layup after a tipped ball from a pass.
Having said that, minimizing turnovers would keep the score close but then you have to deal with Kobe in the last minute when the score is close.
On top of that, LA doesn't shoot a great percentage but the ridiculous number of offensive boards they get make up for that. Phil (or his assistants) have always been great at formatting a game plan that puts people into optimal position to get offensive boards.
They are just hard to beat and easy to lose against.
Apr 11, 2009 at 7:14 AM
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So just so we're clear TX, you think the rox match up better with the Lakers than the Jazz, even though the Lakers swept you guys this season? I'm not trying to start crap, I'm just trying to interpret your post.
I think if you look at it in terms of individual matchups, the Rockets matchup better with the Lakers in the aspect that the Rockets players don't have to go out of their comfort zone whereas Okur and Williams can spread out and break down that Rocket defense.
The Lakers are just sound overall but the don't put the Rockets out of their comfort zone. It's just a matter of containing Kobe.
I couldn't agree more...Utah poses many more problems to us Rocks than the Lakers. Yes, the Lakers swept the series; but if I recall the last 2 games were very close & the Lakers won simply cause they gave the ball to Kobe in the final 3 mins & said win the game & he did...
If the Rocks "could" (probably not happen) contain Kobe then the Rocks could beat the Lakers in a 7 game series...Its just too much Kobe for Rockets to handle...
I've said this ALL SEASON long, no team in the NBA depends as much on the superstar player as the Lakers do (exception maybe Miami) If you contain Kobe, I'll take my chances with Gasol & Odom.
Utah just has too many "big" players the spread that floor & create a nightmare for Rocks, Yao has to step outside & things go south from there...
PS.
Did you guys see Deke last night @ GS? 10 pts 14 rebs 4 bs....
Apr 12, 2009 at 6:07 AM
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Yao missing games due to a sore foot???
This team can't be that unlucky right??? I mean last year 30 some games missed, this year playing without T-Mac & now you're telling me Yao in trouble again???
Here's to hoping that a couple of days rest for the "Great Wall" will be all he needs to be ready for the playoffs!!!
This team can't be that unlucky right??? I mean last year 30 some games missed, this year playing without T-Mac & now you're telling me Yao in trouble again???
Here's to hoping that a couple of days rest for the "Great Wall" will be all he needs to be ready for the playoffs!!!
Apr 13, 2009 at 2:38 PM
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Yao will apparently play tonight against NO...Good to hear...
We need that 3rd seed to avoid possibly playing Lakers in round 2 (thats if we can actually get out of round 1...lol)
Can someone, please tell those Warriors to please beat the Spurs for us!!!
We can still win the Southwest, baby, with a little help.
We need that 3rd seed to avoid possibly playing Lakers in round 2 (thats if we can actually get out of round 1...lol)
Can someone, please tell those Warriors to please beat the Spurs for us!!!
We can still win the Southwest, baby, with a little help.