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Week 3 2017: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

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I was at the game on Thursday night so took me awhile to be able to rewatch...and then a lot of stuff happened (more on that later)....

1) Hoyer: I gotta give the guy some credit here. That is just about the worst way to start a game and he did so after back to back weeks of little to zero success. The fact that he was able to bounce back and with the help of some great plays by WRs have a solid game was impressive. Over 300 yards, 2TDs and another on the ground. Not bad for Hoyer. He still ain't the long term answer but good for him for bouncing back a bit.

2) Garcon: Wow. Had himself a game. Dunno how much more he has in the tank but that was nice to see. If he can play like this for a few more seasons he could be a big part of who they can become.

3) Goodwin: He needed this game. Two great catches.

4) Pass Rush: Errr....uh.....hmmmm. Yeah...this one will likely be an issue all year. They don't have "that guy" yet. They need that guy who can make it all go. Solomon will improve as a pass rusher, but I don't know that he'll ever be a consistent threat on the edge. Buckner will be a good inside rusher...but they need that guy who can scare defenses from the edge and demand the double teams that will open it up for everyone else. They don't have that guy. They will, but he's not on the roster yet. I still like the guys they have on the D-Line, but that unit isn't yet complete.

5) Hyde: Man...it wasn't a huge game statewide but there was more "want to" in his running than I've ever seen from him. The fighting for every inch at the goal-line was impressive.

6) Bowman: Wow. Rough day. Maybe he bounces back. Dunno. I do remember thinking Crabtree was done that first year after the achilles and I see him now in Oakland and I see he's recovered completely. Can Bow make that same recovery and its just going to take time? I dunno, but right now I'm doubtful. Shame to see one of my favorite players having issues moving around out there and not being able to make plays he'd make in his sleep before.

7) Refs: I try really hard not to make it about the refs and at this point I have STILL not seen another angle of the OPI on Taylor....but man I hate it when a great game seems to be ruined on a bad call.

8) Great Game: It sucks that they lost (although draft position isn't lost on me), but that was easily the best game I've ever seen at Levis. I was lucky enough to be at some big games at the stick (Niners Falcons-last game at the stick, Niners Packers-Kaps breakout game, Niners Saints-Vernons last second TD, Niners Jets many years ago-Garrisons 96 yard run), but this was easily the best game since the move. I hope for many more.

9) Carradine: Sucks to see him get hurt when he was just starting to play so well. I like that we'll probably see Solomon get more opportunity to gain experience, but Tank was doing well playing a position that fit him far better. Hope he's not out too long.

10) Jed York: OK. So. Outside of the Webzone I'm a fairly political person. I spent a lot of time away from this board recently because I was on political forums. Having said that, I don't want to make this a political statement or have a political discussion here.

What I do want to say though is this:

I liked what said did this weekend and what he's done since the beginning in regards to Kap, Reid and Eli. Say what you want about the way he handled Harbaugh, Tomsula, or Kelly, he's been on this one since the beginning and he's done and said the right thing at every turn.

Again, I'm not bringing this up to have a political debate. I'm bringing this up to express frustration over some who don't understand the game of football and use this situation to make a point about the way the league deals with race. I'm a Democrat. I'm a liberal. I say that only to make the point that this isn't comping from a conservative. Some of the stuff I read on Jeds twitter mentions drives me nuts.

Jed calls out the president on his speech friday night and what is the very first twitter response? "Prove it. Sign Kap". Wow. Jed backed Kap at every turn and currently employs both of the guys who knelt next to him. I read before the game that there would be groups protesting the game because of Kap. Drives me nuts. If there is ANY QB needy team that deserves a pass on this situation its the 49ers. Kap isn't gone because of his political stance. He is gone because it was time to start over. Its that simple. Calling out Jed over the Kap situation completely ignores that he's one of the very few owners in the NFL who are not die hard conservatives. Thats not an attack on those who are BTW, but it would be nice if those protesting knew who they were protesting.

Anyway, kudos to Jed for not putting a wishy-washy statement out there and being one of the few owners who actually called out the president directly.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Sep 25, 2017 at 10:31 AM ]
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Great stuff as always, Marvin. I agree on the political stuff. I think Elvis and Lych can turn it up hopefully the next couple of games. Still hoping Pita can develop. Most likely we'll go defense early again next year. I liked the offensive improvement and looking forward to hopefully seeing both sides of the ball appear more consistent as these games move forward.
I don't think Bowman's body had enough time to recover. I also don't think he is putting all his weight on the leg with the achilles injury, that is why I believe they were running through his tackles. I have my issues with Jed and I have found myself defending the 49ers when they say they should sign Kaep. I tell them the 49ers did their part and supported Kaep to the fullest.
Marv, good write up as always imho.

My take on the refs is normally questionable call go the home teams way so this one was surprising given the time in the game.
Wish there had been a better tv angle.
They may not win many but so far have been fun to watch. It will get old fast if they can't win a few or show major improvement by end of season.
Jed ponied up, what, $1M to support Kaps cause from day 1 and during a time there was much backlash.

The ignorance to blame Jed for Kap being out of the NFL or "bring back Kap" are just that...ignorance.

Great write up and hey, what more can we ask for...loss by 3, loss by 2, down to the wire games but still hold serve for a top pick in the draft.

Isn't that what we all asked for originally?
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
I was at the game on Thursday night so took me awhile to be able to rewatch...and then a lot of stuff happened (more on that later)....

1) Hoyer: I gotta give the guy some credit here. That is just about the worst way to start a game and he did so after back to back weeks of little to zero success. The fact that he was able to bounce back and with the help of some great plays by WRs have a solid game was impressive. Over 300 yards, 2TDs and another on the ground. Not bad for Hoyer. He still ain't the long term answer but good for him for bouncing back a bit.

2) Garcon: Wow. Had himself a game. Dunno how much more he has in the tank but that was nice to see. If he can play like this for a few more seasons he could be a big part of who they can become.

3) Goodwin: He needed this game. Two great catches.

4) Pass Rush: Errr....uh.....hmmmm. Yeah...this one will likely be an issue all year. They don't have "that guy" yet. They need that guy who can make it all go. Solomon will improve as a pass rusher, but I don't know that he'll ever be a consistent threat on the edge. Buckner will be a good inside rusher...but they need that guy who can scare defenses from the edge and demand the double teams that will open it up for everyone else. They don't have that guy. They will, but he's not on the roster yet. I still like the guys they have on the D-Line, but that unit isn't yet complete.

5) Hyde: Man...it wasn't a huge game statewide but there was more "want to" in his running than I've ever seen from him. The fighting for every inch at the goal-line was impressive.

6) Bowman: Wow. Rough day. Maybe he bounces back. Dunno. I do remember thinking Crabtree was done that first year after the achilles and I see him now in Oakland and I see he's recovered completely. Can Bow make that same recovery and its just going to take time? I dunno, but right now I'm doubtful. Shame to see one of my favorite players having issues moving around out there and not being able to make plays he'd make in his sleep before.

7) Refs: I try really hard not to make it about the refs and at this point I have STILL not seen another angle of the OPI on Taylor....but man I hate it when a great game seems to be ruined on a bad call.

8) Great Game: It sucks that they lost (although draft position isn't lost on me), but that was easily the best game I've ever seen at Levis. I was lucky enough to be at some big games at the stick (Niners Falcons-last game at the stick, Niners Packers-Kaps breakout game, Niners Saints-Vernons last second TD, Niners Jets many years ago-Garrisons 96 yard run), but this was easily the best game since the move. I hope for many more.

9) Carradine: Sucks to see him get hurt when he was just starting to play so well. I like that we'll probably see Solomon get more opportunity to gain experience, but Tank was doing well playing a position that fit him far better. Hope he's not out too long.

10) Jed York: OK. So. Outside of the Webzone I'm a fairly political person. I spent a lot of time away from this board recently because I was on political forums. Having said that, I don't want to make this a political statement or have a political discussion here.

What I do want to say though is this:

I liked what said did this weekend and what he's done since the beginning in regards to Kap, Reid and Eli. Say what you want about the way he handled Harbaugh, Tomsula, or Kelly, he's been on this one since the beginning and he's done and said the right thing at every turn.

Again, I'm not bringing this up to have a political debate. I'm bringing this up to express frustration over some who don't understand the game of football and use this situation to make a point about the way the league deals with race. I'm a Democrat. I'm a liberal. I say that only to make the point that this isn't comping from a conservative. Some of the stuff I read on Jeds twitter mentions drives me nuts.

Jed calls out the president on his speech friday night and what is the very first twitter response? "Prove it. Sign Kap". Wow. Jed backed Kap at every turn and currently employs both of the guys who knelt next to him. I read before the game that there would be groups protesting the game because of Kap. Drives me nuts. If there is ANY QB needy team that deserves a pass on this situation its the 49ers. Kap isn't gone because of his political stance. He is gone because it was time to start over. Its that simple. Calling out Jed over the Kap situation completely ignores that he's one of the very few owners in the NFL who are not die hard conservatives. Thats not an attack on those who are BTW, but it would be nice if those protesting knew who they were protesting.

Anyway, kudos to Jed for not putting a wishy-washy statement out there and being one of the few owners who actually called out the president directly.

Most of Hoyer's choices and throws were bad. If not for a half dozen amazing catches they wouldn't have been in the game. His INT was still a killer. Esp when you lose by 1 score.

Points 2 and 3, agree. Made Hoyer look good.

They have guys playing out of position imo. AA doesn't look like he's giving 100%.

Hyde and Bowman are good when healthy.

3 fumbles, lost 2 plus the dreaded pick on the first play. Yeah a team with this talent isn't going to win many of those. Rams tried to fumble a 2 score lead away late. Don't blame the Refs for one horrible call when the players screw up 20.

Then I stopped reading.
Great analysis as always. Thanks!
Solid post!

I think Hoyer running in for the TD lit a fire in him. He came out more aggessive and it paid off.

The Question will be if he can keep that momentum going.

My 2 main concerns at beginning of season are still there. The OLine has improved w/Tomilnson [sp] but are still in need of players at C. I just don't have confidence that Garnett will be the guy we hoped he's be. Jury is still out.

My second concern is the Secondary and they are getting exposed due to lack of pass rush.

The sheer determination of Hyde was awesome.

IMO, it was our best game in 2 years. Our guys fought and clawed their way back into it time after time.

This was a game to build on.
There are four positions that are considered a premium in the NFL.

1. QB
2. Pass rush
3. shut down corner
4. Blind side OT-

Presently the niners only have an aging number 4 in Joe Staley. They lack a QB, Pass Rusher and shut down corner. Without these ANY coaching staff will struggle week to week.

I do not need to re watch the game.

QB- Horrible, to spot the team a touchdown within 20 seconds made me think vegas paid him off. He also could have had several more picks. He is not the answer

Pass Rush- Baffling to me, hopefully when Reuben foster comes back they can do some corner blitzes and ilb blitzes because the front four are getting stonewalled

CB- feel sorry for them, no pass rush makes any qb pick them apart

OT- Staley is a stud but on the wrong side of 30

Marvin, thanks for your efforts. Wish i agreed with everyone who likes protesting in NFL or other sports games, but i don't. It takes all the fun out of it for me. I wish there were a way to keep politics out of sports. Sports are just that. Sports. Those ruining it, while it is their right, makes sports , my one real pleasure, not much fun.

I was late to turn game on and knew we had the ball first. So imagine my surprise to see the rams almost on the goal line, with the ball . Couldn't believe it. That truly ended the outcome of the game right there. Then Hoyer came back and had himself a game, with some superb play at WR. Ended up being an enjoyable game to watch, first time in almost three and one half yrs. Also the take away for me was, if hoyer put up another stinker, KYle would be running out of things to say in his defense. So good on hoyer for coming back. But had he not, then i think kyle would have had to think about CJ next week, esp in a blowout. My preference is to keep CJ with the clipboard until late in the season and THEN see what he has. So i am thankful hoyer finally came thru. Sure sucks tho that he got that picked on first play of the game. The comeback was admirable...and exciting.
The team showed fight and competitiveness. Something we haven't seen since Harbaugh. yeah, we're 0-3, but this is not the same garbage team/regime we saw in 2015/2016. We're going all-in with this regime.
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Originally posted by defenderDX:
The team showed fight and competitiveness. Something we haven't seen since Harbaugh. yeah, we're 0-3, but this is not the same garbage team/regime we saw in 2015/2016. We're going all-in with this regime.

Last year we showed fight vs the rams twice, close games vs the cowboys, cards, dolphins, jets and seahawks. People just forget.
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Originally posted by 9erred:
There are four positions that are considered a premium in the NFL.

1. QB
2. Pass rush
3. shut down corner
4. Blind side OT-

Presently the niners only have an aging number 4 in Joe Staley. They lack a QB, Pass Rusher and shut down corner. Without these ANY coaching staff will struggle week to week.

I do not need to re watch the game.

QB- Horrible, to spot the team a touchdown within 20 seconds made me think vegas paid him off. He also could have had several more picks. He is not the answer

Pass Rush- Baffling to me, hopefully when Reuben foster comes back they can do some corner blitzes and ilb blitzes because the front four are getting stonewalled

CB- feel sorry for them, no pass rush makes any qb pick them apart

OT- Staley is a stud but on the wrong side of 30

Good post. I would also add that Kilgore looks a bit lost figuring out the offense and what calls he should be making. C is also a key position imo.
Originally posted by SoCold:
Most of Hoyer's choices and throws were bad. If not for a half dozen amazing catches they wouldn't have been in the game. His INT was still a killer. Esp when you lose by 1 score.

Points 2 and 3, agree. Made Hoyer look good.

They have guys playing out of position imo. AA doesn't look like he's giving 100%.

Hyde and Bowman are good when healthy.

3 fumbles, lost 2 plus the dreaded pick on the first play. Yeah a team with this talent isn't going to win many of those. Rams tried to fumble a 2 score lead away late. Don't blame the Refs for one horrible call when the players screw up 20.

Then I stopped reading.
I have heard comments that AA is overcompensating for his coaches telling him to play low which essentially puts him in the position of trying too hard to be low at his size. I don't know about this theory but he does seem to be lumbering along at times.
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