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Originally posted by mayo49:I agree, next year should be strictly to position ourselves in the draft to get our FQB.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup got to have patience
yup, everyone wants a FQB and I get it but sometimes there's just not one to be had in the draft. Reaching at 2 would have been one of the worst things we could have done IMO. We need talent everywhere and can't afford to throw a pick away. I'll take the safer pick all day with what we have
We will see, I think they'll win a couple more games than people are thinking...the Jet's are in full blown tank mode at least the have a plan lol .
Originally posted by BOI49er:
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! ! !
Losers do that.
Next year should be teaching, learning, and perfecting the offense, showing a ton of fight and spunk, getting the wheels starting to dig in and winning several games above our weight level, and becoming the desirable team to join.
Go Niners !
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by mayo49:
I agree, next year should be strictly to position ourselves in the draft to get our FQB.
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! ! !
Losers do that.
Next year should be teaching, learning, and perfecting the offense, showing a ton of fight and spunk, getting the wheels starting to dig in and winning several games above our weight level, and becoming the desirable team to join.
Go Niners !
Originally posted by mayo49:Originally posted by BOI49er:Originally posted by mayo49:I agree, next year should be strictly to position ourselves in the draft to get our FQB.
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! ! !
Losers do that.
Next year should be teaching, learning, and perfecting the offense, showing a ton of fight and spunk, getting the wheels starting to dig in and winning several games above our weight level, and becoming the desirable team to join.
Go Niners !
It's going to happen whether you like or not.
Originally posted by BOI49er:
No, it's not. Kyle Shanahan has made Every quarterback he's worked with better. What people don't appreciate, because it almost never happens, is veteran quarterbacks want to move to join him. He will never need to gamble very high draft picks on dubious candidates. He'll attract veterans while he develops a 3rd rounder like Beathard, or a fourth rounder like Cousins, just like Bill Walsh developed a 3rd rounder like Montana, and Belichick developed a 6th rounder like Brady.
Weak coaches need to gamble. We don't, and won't.
Originally posted by genus49:Originally posted by NYniner85:Yup got to have patience
yup, everyone wants a FQB and I get it but sometimes there's just not one to be had in the draft. Reaching at 2 would have been one of the worst things we could have done IMO. We need talent everywhere and can't afford to throw a pick away. I'll take the safer pick all day with what we have
We will see, I think they'll win a couple more games than people are thinking...the Jet's are in full blown tank mode at least the have a plan lol .
Seriously...if the guy known for his offensive genius doesn't want a certain QB with a huge need at the position then I'll certainly take his opinion over most people...let alone a guy on webzone.
I understand that you can't predict where you pick the following season or know who will be available but it's a calculated risk and a smart one IMO.
Drafting a QB just because you need one even when you don't trust he can be great is a major no no. THAT is a sign of bad management and lack of vision.
Even if we're not picking top 10 I see no way we're picking lower than top 20. Mason Rudolph, Luke Falk are likely to be available. I'd take either guy over Trubisky...especially because it also means we got Solomon Thomas and extra picks. Extra picks which btw could be used to trade up.
Not to mention every year QBs come out of nowhere to rise in the draft. Jarrett Stidham could be in for a big climb. Nick Fitzgerald could have a big year and jump up...happens all the time.
And like I said before with the contracts of Garoppolo and Cousins expiring...it's certainly a chance one of them actually hits free agency.
Originally posted by BOI49er:No, it's not. Kyle Shanahan has made Every quarterback he's worked with better. What people don't appreciate, because it almost never happens, is veteran quarterbacks want to move to join him. He will never need to gamble very high draft picks on dubious candidates. He'll attract veterans while he develops a 3rd rounder like Beathard, or a fourth rounder like Cousins, just like Bill Walsh developed a 3rd rounder like Montana, and Belichick developed a 6th rounder like Brady.
Weak coaches need to gamble. We don't, and won't.
I think Kyle knows talent and wants someone that can run his offense. IF Allen/Darnold/Rosen can run his offense at a high level then yeah they will draft one of them (if in a position)...Lynch/Kyle have both stated how important it is to find a FQB. I see this upcoming draft at QB on level with the 2004 draft. Kyle isn't gonna pass on E Manning/Big Ben/ P Rivers, so he can draft Luke McCown in the 4th rd. Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kyle can only polish up a turd so much.
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by BOI49er:No, it's not. Kyle Shanahan has made Every quarterback he's worked with better. What people don't appreciate, because it almost never happens, is veteran quarterbacks want to move to join him. He will never need to gamble very high draft picks on dubious candidates. He'll attract veterans while he develops a 3rd rounder like Beathard, or a fourth rounder like Cousins, just like Bill Walsh developed a 3rd rounder like Montana, and Belichick developed a 6th rounder like Brady.
Weak coaches need to gamble. We don't, and won't.
Who says the top end candidates at QB are "dubious" ? Maybe just maybe they're f**king good
I'm cool with bringing in a GOOD QB like Kirk or Jimmy G...Hoyer is not a FQB and Kyle can only polish up a turd so much. You're example about two of the best QBs in the history of the NFL not drafted high isn't the norm, but the exception. I could name hundreds of QB drafted outside of the 1st that were busts.
FYI the draft overall is gamble so not sure what you're last statement even means.
I'll add the only time Kyle has been to the playoffs is when he had a 1st rd qb.
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Kyle Shanahan does. "If no quarterback really jumps out at you, and you can get a pass rusher, or a linebacker, or an offensive lineman that can help you win for the next ten years, you don't gamble."
The Only quarterback Kyle wanted from this draft was Beathard.
I'm absolutely fine with drafting a quarterback very high if that's who jumps out at Kyle. What Kyle likes just isn't necessarily what gets draft pundits excited, so drafting high is not the goal.
My examples included Kirk Cousins. He's certainly not one of the best "in the history of the NFL", at least yet, but imo he could win a Super Bowl, with us, and he's one of a very small number Kyle has been able to influence his team to draft. Nobody had taken him by the fourth round.
I'll reiterate. That's a plus if you draft high and can get your first choice of the quarterback crop. It's not always valuable to get the pundits first or high choices. The two things may line up, but in Kyles case, they usually won't.
Originally posted by BOI49er:Kyle Shanahan does. "If no quarterback really jumps out at you, and you can get a pass rusher, or a linebacker, or an offensive lineman that can help you win for the next ten years, you don't gamble."
The Only quarterback Kyle wanted from this draft was Beathard.
I'm absolutely fine with drafting a quarterback very high if that's who jumps out at Kyle. What Kyle likes just isn't necessarily what gets draft pundits excited, so drafting high is not the goal.
My examples included Kirk Cousins. He's certainly not one of the best "in the history of the NFL", at least yet, but imo he could win a Super Bowl, with us, and he's one of a very small number Kyle has been able to influence his team to draft. Nobody had taken him by the fourth round.
I'll reiterate. That's a plus if you draft high and can get your first choice of the quarterback crop. It's not always valuable to get the pundits first or high choices. The two things may line up, but in Kyles case, they usually won't.
Originally posted by BOI49er:
The Only quarterback Kyle wanted from this draft was Beathard.
Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Beathard.