Predict 53 man Roster- 2017

Originally posted by Murphys1:
KD Cannon over Bolden? Good list. I think Magnusson could also surprise on the OL.

Shows how much I know...wonder what happened?

Originally posted by Murphys1:

Originally posted by Murphys1:
KD Cannon over Bolden? Good list. I think Magnusson could also surprise on the OL.

Shows how much I know...wonder what happened?

Ha, I had just added Cannon this morning. Oops. Redone.

This shows you how much this roster will be in flux. KD Cannon, an UDFA who everyone was touting has already been cut.

This reminds of when Pete Carroll first took over Seattle. At first, it was a revolving door where guys would come in and out quickly. He was shedding folks that didn't fit the system or buy in. They ended up with mostly draft choices and free agents that they wanted, not the previous regime.

Originally posted by cools:

QB-3
Hoyer
Barkley
Beathard

RB-4
Hyde
Hightower
Williams
Bibbs

FB-1
Juszcyzk

TE-3
McDonald
Paulsen
Kittle

WR-5
Garcon
Goodwin
Kerley
Robinson
Taylor

OL-8
Staley
Beadles
Zuttah
Garnett
Brown
Gilliam
Kilgore
Theus

S-4
Ward
Reid
Tartt
Jerome

CB-6
Robinson
Johnson
Redmond
Reaser
Williams
Witherspoon

LB-8
Brooks
Bowman
Smith
Foster
Croyle
Armstrong
Harold
Watson

DL-8
Thomas
Mitchell
Buckner
Armstead
Blair
Dial
Dj.Jones
Carradine

ST-3
Gould
Pinion
Nelson

* Im tempted to go with 3 RB's and have Breida on the PS to free up a spot
* Would love to see Lynch step up, we shall see, Need a spot for Taumoepenu as well
* Need to find a spot for Colbert too, maybe Reaser's spot
* I'd like to carry one more WR, cant find a spot right now, NFL needs to make roster 55 players! I edited this thing about 30 times

Very nice job. I think eventually it will be another WR added at the expense of probably a DB like Reaser. Then you can possibly compensate some CB depth by replacing Jerome with Colbert who can play CB/S/ST. My number one thing I do is replace Coyle with Lynch. Ray-Ray can backup MLB&WILL. Other than that it's pretty much set unless a trade or two occur.

Originally posted by kirkscrafford:
This reminds of when Pete Carroll first took over Seattle. At first, it was a revolving door where guys would come in and out quickly. He was shedding folks that didn't fit the system or buy in. They ended up with mostly draft choices and free agents that they wanted, not the previous regime.

Bingo, was thinking the same thing all off-season. When you're bad, you have to overhaul the roster and bring in guys who fit the new regime. I imagine theres still going to be a ton of transactions.

How much of a signing bonus did we give Cannon? 50,000?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by longterm9erfan:
NCommand... I think this assessment is very close. The only issue I would have with it would be the PS. I just don't think that guys like Bolden and Hijutini get through waivers. They were highly coveted FAs.
A question....you have Dakota Watson making the team. Can you explain your reasoning?
I'm sure you would agree that there will be some surprising cuts this fall as well. Overall though, this is very close.

Cheers!

Great timing...I had JUST updated it too. LOL

Yeah, unfortunately, losing UDFA's or risking players moving them to the PS is a reality. We've lost quite a few players over the years that way. One thing they could do with Hikutini is stash him on I.R. since he's still recovering from injury. But we're going to lose some quality UDFA's...but remember, a team would need to add them to their own 53. So there is also a good chance every one stays with us too given all of these 10 players need development.

Dekoda was Robert Saleh's first pick up. He knows his game and loves his leadership and he can help teach this defense to the youngsters. Here is what he thinks of Dakota (basically, he sees him as a nickel/dime edge rusher from both the SAM and LEO and he can also play some ST's on coverage units):

Who else do you see at that particular spot, the LEO spot?

"We're looking for, there's a lot of pieces. Ahmad can do it, Eli can do it, so you're looking at the SAM/LEO type deal. They're all capable. Dekoda can do it. Even Arik, he's not a prototype, but he's capable just from his flexibility and his--."

...So when looking at the SAM linebacker and what they're asked to do on a day-to-day basis, 70-percent of the game their hand will be in the ground. So, we're looking for more of an edge rusher as opposed to what it was in years past with a brut SAM linebacker, a [former NFL LB] Bill Romanowski-type. We're trying to move forward from that."

Are there guys (SAM/LEO edge rushers) already on the roster?

"Oh, yeah. There's plenty here. [LB] Ahmad Brooks, [LB] Eli [Harold]. We just signed [LB] Dekoda Watson. If you were going to paint a picture, that's what they would look like."

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article143900749.html

Here's some more about him:

Thanks NCommand.... I really appreciate your detailed response.

Cheers!

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
How much of a signing bonus did we give Cannon? 50,000?

He got a $5K signing bonus, and a $45K Base guarantee, which we'll be on the hook for, since it's doubtful a team will claim him.

I think we will be keeping a close eye on veteran CBs when teams make cuts.

Offense - (24)
QB: Brian Hoyer, CJ Beathard
RB: Carlos Hyde, Joe Williams, Tim Hightower
FB: Kyle Juszczyk,
WR: Pierre Garcon, Aldrick Robinson, Jeremy Kerley, Marquise Goodwin, Trent Taylor, Aaron Burbridge
TE: Vance McDonald, Logan Paulsen, George Kittle
OT: Joe Staley, Trent Brown, Garry Gilliam
OG: Zane Beadles, Josh Garnett, Brandon Fusco
C: Jeremy Zuttah, Daniel Kilgore

Defense - (26)
DE: Solomon Thomas, Quinton Dial
DT: DeForest Buckner, Ronald Blair
DT: Earl Mitchell, DJ Jones
DE: Arik Armstead, Ahmad Brooks
EDGE: Aaron Lynch, Dekoda Watson, Pita Taumoepenu
OLB: Malcolm Smith, Eli Harold
MLB: NaVorro Bowman, Brock Coyle
OLB: Reuben Foster, Ray Ray Armstrong
CB: Rashard Robinson, Dontae Johnson, Ahkello Witherspoon, Will Redmond, K'Wuan Williams
FS: Jimmie Ward, Lorenzo Jerome
SS: Eric Reid, Jaquiski Tartt

Special Teams - (3)
K: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion
LS: Kyle Nelson

My early projection:

QB: 2 Brian Hoyer(2018)/ 7 Matt Barkley(2018)/ 3 C.J. Beathard(2020)
RB: 28 Carlos Hyde(2017)/ 22 Tim Hightower(2017)/ 33 Joe Williams(2020)
FB: 44 Kyle Juszyck(2020)
WR: 15 Pierre Garcon(2021)/ 11 Marquise Goodwin(2018)/ 17 Jeremy Kerley(2019)/ 19 Aldrick Robinson(2018)/ 81 Trent Taylor(2020)
TE: 89 Vance McDonald(2021)/ 82 Logan Paulsen(2017)/ 85 George Kittle(2020)
C: 58 Jeremy Zuttah(2018)/ 67 Daniel Kilgore(2017)
OG: 68 Zane Beadles(2018)/ 65 Joshua Garnett(2019)/ 63 Brandon Fusco(2017)
OT: 74 Joe Staley(2019)/ 77 Trent Brown(2018)/ 76 Garry Gilliam(2017)

DE: 96 Solomon Thomas(2020)/ 91 Arik Armstead(2018)/ 98 Ronald Blair(2019)/ 95 Tank Carradine(2017)/ 49 Pita Taumoepenu(2020)
DT: 99 DeForest Bucklner(2019)/ 92 Quinton Dial(2019)
NT: 90 Earl Mitchell(2020)/ 93 D.J. Jones(2020)
OLB: 51 Malcolm Smith(2021)/ 55 Ahmad Brooks(2017)/ 56 Reuben Foster(2020)/ 54 Ray-Ray Armstrong(2018)/ 45 Dekoda Watson(2019)/ 57 Eli Harold(2018)
MLB: 53 NaVorro Bowman(2022)/ 50 Brock Coyle(2017)
CB: 26 Rashard Robinson(2019)/ 41 Ahkello Witherspoon(2020)/ 36 Dontae Johnson(2017)/ 24 K'Wuan Williams(2017)/ 23 Will Redmond(2019)
FS: 25 Jimmie Ward(2018)/ 20 Don Jones(2018)/ 48 Lorenzo Jerome(2019)
SS: 35 Eric Reid(2017)/ 29 Jaquiski Tartt(2018)

PK: 9 Robbie Gould(2018)
P: 5 Bradley Pinion(2018)
LS: 86 Kyle Nelson(2018)

My 7 Inactives: QB Beathard, OG Fusco, DE Taumoepenu, NT Jones, OLB Harold, FS Jerome the 7th is tough, could be Taylor, or Carradine.

NFI:

TE 46 Cole Hikutini(2019) - Stash player for 2018 when we can unload Vance McDonald and his contract

10-Man Practice Squad:

QB 1 Nick Mullens
RB 49 Matt Breida
WR 83 Victor Bolden
OG 60 John Flynn
OT 62 Erik Magnuson
OT 71 John Theus
DE 64 Noble Nwachukwu
OLB 60 Jimmie Gilbert
CB/FS 47 Adrian Colbert
SS 46 Malik Golden

Hardest for me to decide is a 6th WR or just 5, a 4th RB or just 3, Lorenzo Jerome or Adrian Colbert(I have Jones as a lock he has $750K GTD in his deal, I don't see him being cut, we save like $365K if that), How many OL, a 9th or just 8. Aaron Lynch vs Pita Taumoepenu

Key Cuts:

RB Kapri Bibbs, Raheem Mostert
FB Tyler McCloskey
WR Aaron Burbridge, DeAndre Carter, Rashad Ross, DeAndre Smelter, Kendrick Bourne
TE Garrett Celek, Blake Bell
DL Chris Jones, Aaron Lynch
C Bret Treadway, Tim Barnes
OG Evan Goodman
OT Norman Price, Darrell Williams Jr.
OLB Donavin Newsom
CB Zach Franklin, Prince Charles Iworah, Keith Reaser(Traded for a 7th)
S Vinnie Sunseri
PK Nick Rose

We have a lot of short Wide Receivers.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

My early projection:

QB: 2 Brian Hoyer(2018)/ 7 Matt Barkley(2018)/ 3 C.J. Beathard(2020)
RB: 28 Carlos Hyde(2017)/ 22 Tim Hightower(2017)/ 33 Joe Williams(2020)
FB: 44 Kyle Juszyck(2020)
WR: 15 Pierre Garcon(2021)/ 11 Marquise Goodwin(2018)/ 17 Jeremy Kerley(2019)/ 19 Aldrick Robinson(2018)/ 81 Trent Taylor(2020)
TE: 89 Vance McDonald(2021)/ 82 Logan Paulsen(2017)/ 85 George Kittle(2020)
C: 58 Jeremy Zuttah(2018)/ 67 Daniel Kilgore(2017)
OG: 68 Zane Beadles(2018)/ 65 Joshua Garnett(2019)/ 63 Brandon Fusco(2017)
OT: 74 Joe Staley(2019)/ 77 Trent Brown(2018)/ 76 Garry Gilliam(2017)

DE: 96 Solomon Thomas(2020)/ 91 Arik Armstead(2018)/ 98 Ronald Blair(2019)/ 95 Tank Carradine(2017)/ 49 Pita Taumoepenu(2020)
DT: 99 DeForest Bucklner(2019)/ 92 Quinton Dial(2019)
NT: 90 Earl Mitchell(2020)/ 93 D.J. Jones(2020)
OLB: 51 Malcolm Smith(2021)/ 55 Ahmad Brooks(2017)/ 56 Reuben Foster(2020)/ 54 Ray-Ray Armstrong(2018)/ 45 Dekoda Watson(2019)/ 57 Eli Harold(2018)
MLB: 53 NaVorro Bowman(2022)/ 50 Brock Coyle(2017)
CB: 26 Rashard Robinson(2019)/ 41 Ahkello Witherspoon(2020)/ 36 Dontae Johnson(2017)/ 24 K'Wuan Williams(2017)/ 23 Will Redmond(2019)
FS: 25 Jimmie Ward(2018)/ 20 Don Jones(2018)/ 48 Lorenzo Jerome(2019)
SS: 35 Eric Reid(2017)/ 29 Jaquiski Tartt(2018)

PK: 9 Robbie Gould(2018)
P: 5 Bradley Pinion(2018)
LS: 86 Kyle Nelson(2018)

My 7 Inactives: QB Beathard, OG Fusco, DE Taumoepenu, NT Jones, OLB Harold, FS Jerome the 7th is tough, could be Taylor, or Carradine.

NFI:

TE 46 Cole Hikutini(2019) - Stash player for 2018 when we can unload Vance McDonald and his contract

10-Man Practice Squad:

QB 1 Nick Mullens
RB 49 Matt Breida
WR 83 Victor Bolden
OG 60 John Flynn
OT 62 Erik Magnuson
OT 71 John Theus
DE 64 Noble Nwachukwu
OLB 60 Jimmie Gilbert
CB/FS 47 Adrian Colbert
SS 46 Malik Golden

Hardest for me to decide is a 6th WR or just 5, a 4th RB or just 3, Lorenzo Jerome or Adrian Colbert(I have Jones as a lock he has $750K GTD in his deal, I don't see him being cut, we save like $365K if that), How many OL, a 9th or just 8. Aaron Lynch vs Pita Taumoepenu

Key Cuts:

RB Kapri Bibbs, Raheem Mostert
FB Tyler McCloskey
WR Aaron Burbridge, DeAndre Carter, Rashad Ross, DeAndre Smelter, Kendrick Bourne
TE Garrett Celek, Blake Bell
DL Chris Jones, Aaron Lynch
C Bret Treadway, Tim Barnes
OG Evan Goodman
OT Norman Price, Darrell Williams Jr.
OLB Donavin Newsom
CB Zach Franklin, Prince Charles Iworah, Keith Reaser(Traded for a 7th)
S Vinnie Sunseri
PK Nick Rose

I was going to post mine but you pretty much nailed my exact prediction. Only difference would be that I think Armstrong may not make it, coming off that injury last year and it would seem excessive to keep 8 LBs when running a 4-3, which Armstrong seemed to struggle in previously. Watson and Coyle both are already good STs guy so we'll see. But I'm thinkin Breida or Bolden take that last spot.

Not sure where to post this, but the release of KD Canon made me wonder how is a guy cut from the 90? On what do they base letting a guy go? Since this was early, is it a guy with a bad attitude, or a guy who is nicked up but never revealed it, or a guy who is way slower than his combine times, or a guy who just can't follow instructions? Anyone know just exactly how a guy gets cut early on? Later I know it is based on talent at a particular slot. OT, or CB for example. But now wiht 90 guys on the field, how do they go about cutting these guys, many of whom are UDFAs, or walk-ons, or guys here for the one day tryout? Canon was a surprise, so is there a way to get yourself cut early on, or is it overt lack of talent even at this early stage? The fact tryouts are only a week into it, made me wonder about attitude, or perhaps injury. Anybody know?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not sure where to post this, but the release of KD Canon made me wonder how is a guy cut from the 90? On what do they base letting a guy go? Since this was early, is it a guy with a bad attitude, or a guy who is nicked up but never revealed it, or a guy who is way slower than his combine times, or a guy who just can't follow instructions? Anyone know just exactly how a guy gets cut early on? Later I know it is based on talent at a particular slot. OT, or CB for example. But now wiht 90 guys on the field, how do they go about cutting these guys, many of whom are UDFAs, or walk-ons, or guys here for the one day tryout? Canon was a surprise, so is there a way to get yourself cut early on, or is it overt lack of talent even at this early stage? The fact tryouts are only a week into it, made me wonder about attitude, or perhaps injury. Anybody know?

I'm guessing it was his mouth, work ethic, and attitude.