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JustinNiner
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Originally posted by Kuya:
Julio is a generational talent. Matt Ryan is MVP worthy. What may be understated is how unstoppable Devonta Freeman and Tevin Coleman have been together.
WIll we see a similar Thunder and Lightning duo at RB for us moving forward? Christian McAffrey in Shanahan's offense sounds explosive AF.
its the O-line man. They open up some serious holes. Coleman has that ability to dash right through those holes and pick up 8 yards mininmum. Freeman has that cutting ability to shift a bunch of people and the power to push for more yardage
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pd24
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Draft Christian McCaffrey 8n 2nd or move up a little
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cools
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I like Hunt, I think he's listed as a 3rd or 4th rounder
Catches ball well, love the way he runs
Add one more via free agency, fast 3rd down guy, I like Hillman as the #3 or re-sign Harris
Someone mentioned turning Bruce Ellington into a RB, He's probably too fragile, but interesting idea
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thl408
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One thing I see Shanahan do that I rarely saw the 49ers do is play 20 personnel (2rb/0te/3wr). The past few seasons, there's practically always a TE on the field for the 49ers. If there's a RB vs LB mismatch in pass coverage, Shanahan will exploit it. He did this against DEN with Coleman being that mismatch. Hyde can run the typical RB routes, but a RB that can run a good intermediate/deep route will give the offense a nice dimension it hasn't had since Ricky Watters. Gore never threatened vertically and neither would Hyde. I remember a play where ATL lined up their RBs out wide and sent them on fly patterns against LBs.
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thl408
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Fresh new article:
https://theringer.com/atlantas-running-backs-are-playing-positionless-football-be87a232682f#.sp6y72cu1
In an era in which "11" personnel (three receivers, a tight end, and a running back) is the prevailing base offense across the league, Atlanta relied on that set less often than every other team. Instead, Shanahan preferred to go with multiple-tight-end and multiple-running-back sets.
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Forty-four percent of the Falcons' pass plays came on two-plus-tight-end or two-plus-running-back sets, per ESPN's Mike Clay, and as teams creep farther up into the box, it means there are fewer deep defenders. With Jones, Mohamed Sanu, and Taylor Gabriel running deep, Ryan picked apart vulnerable secondaries all year.
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The interchangeability of Freeman and Coleman make them ideal representatives of the post-position NFL, where actual designations like running back or receiver are losing more meaning by the day. Sure, both players are dangerous runners, but they both can catch passes out of the backfield or line up on the wing. As such, Shanahan could line the offense up in a traditional three-receiver, two-running-back formation, but he'd still have five receiving options.
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It puts the defense in a tough spot: To stop the run, you want more of your physical, tackling linebackers on the field, but against the pass, it's better to have your speedy defensive backs out there. Whatever the opposing personnel prepares for, the Falcons can do the opposite, and Coleman and Freeman will take advantage. Shanahan consistently attacked these mismatches, as Freeman ended the year with 54 catches for 462 yards and two touchdowns, while Coleman added 31 receptions for 421 yards and three scores.
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ninerAxe
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Who would be more important in Kyle's offense, a #1 WR or a RB duo? Specifically if we trade down who would be more impactful for the scheme, Mike Williams/Corey Davis or Fournette/Cook to pair with Hyde?
[ Edited by ninerAxe on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:01 AM ]
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9moon
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We get back to the playoffs if we can have these 3 for our RBs:
Carlos Hurtin Hyde
C-Mac (Stanford)
J-Will (BYU)
Then convert Jaws into an H-back (FB/TE) and we're set to go !!
Jaws = McDonald
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thl408
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Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Who would be more important in Kyle's offense, a #1 WR or a RB duo? Specifically if we trade down who would be more impactful for the scheme, Mike Williams/Corey Davis or Fournette/Cook to pair with Hyde?
I'll go with #1 WR. That's a loose term, but I'm talking about a dominant #1 like Julio/AJGreen type. That threat opens the field up provided the QB can get them the ball. Only occasionally will Shanahan put both RBs on the field. Julio is always on the field. Of course, this is ATL's offense, and I'm sure Shanahan would have to do things differently next season in SF.
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iLLEST209ER
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We have our very own versions of Freeman and Coleman right on the roster. Dujuan Harris and Shaun Draughn.
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pdizo916
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Originally posted by iLLEST209ER:
We have our very own versions of Freeman and Coleman right on the roster. Dujuan Harris and Shaun Draughn.
Lol
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DonnieDarko
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Originally posted by illinois9er:
Dalvin Cook is a generational talent, trade down for him
I was gonna say, draft this guy
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GolittaCamper
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Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Don't know if need Mcafrey, I am a big fan of his, and would like to see him, but more as a slot receiver, kick returner, and some time running back. I think there are plenty of big bruising backs we can pair with Hyde. Tweeners, guys who are near fullback in size, but more skilled as pass catchers, and power runners. Hyde needs to wake up and realize, he is not a power runner, his frame cant take the abuse, perhaps some late round tweener, and Mcafrey and Hyde as a three headed monster.
So what you're saying is he literally only comes off the field when the defense is out there.
If that's true -- I'd trade up to take him in the late 1st in a heartbeat.
A guy who is guaranteed to touch the ball 20x a game AND is a threat to take it to the house every time? Sign me up.
I bet he could play a little safety....
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theninermaniac
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Who would be more important in Kyle's offense, a #1 WR or a RB duo? Specifically if we trade down who would be more impactful for the scheme, Mike Williams/Corey Davis or Fournette/Cook to pair with Hyde?
I'll go with #1 WR. That's a loose term, but I'm talking about a dominant #1 like Julio/AJGreen type. That threat opens the field up provided the QB can get them the ball. Only occasionally will Shanahan put both RBs on the field. Julio is always on the field. Of course, this is ATL's offense, and I'm sure Shanahan would have to do things differently next season in SF.
I dont think Shanny even requires a #1 WR. Did you see the production he gets from his WRs down the depth chart? Sanu and Gabriel both had great success this season. Shanny doesn't rely on one player, he tailors his game plan week to week. One week it's Freeman getting the work, next it's Gabriel or Julio. He's like a Belicheck that just exploits a defenses weakness, with little concern for feeding a top playmaker.
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Sourball
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Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Who would be more important in Kyle's offense, a #1 WR or a RB duo? Specifically if we trade down who would be more impactful for the scheme, Mike Williams/Corey Davis or Fournette/Cook to pair with Hyde?
I'll go with #1 WR. That's a loose term, but I'm talking about a dominant #1 like Julio/AJGreen type. That threat opens the field up provided the QB can get them the ball. Only occasionally will Shanahan put both RBs on the field. Julio is always on the field. Of course, this is ATL's offense, and I'm sure Shanahan would have to do things differently next season in SF.
I dont think Shanny even requires a #1 WR. Did you see the production he gets from his WRs down the depth chart? Sanu and Gabriel both had great success this season. Shanny doesn't rely on one player, he tailors his game plan week to week. One week it's Freeman getting the work, next it's Gabriel or Julio. He's like a Belicheck that just exploits a defenses weakness, with little concern for feeding a top playmaker.
Can't wait for the 49ers to actually have an exciting offense again.
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thl408
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Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Who would be more important in Kyle's offense, a #1 WR or a RB duo? Specifically if we trade down who would be more impactful for the scheme, Mike Williams/Corey Davis or Fournette/Cook to pair with Hyde?
I'll go with #1 WR. That's a loose term, but I'm talking about a dominant #1 like Julio/AJGreen type. That threat opens the field up provided the QB can get them the ball. Only occasionally will Shanahan put both RBs on the field. Julio is always on the field. Of course, this is ATL's offense, and I'm sure Shanahan would have to do things differently next season in SF.
I dont think Shanny even requires a #1 WR. Did you see the production he gets from his WRs down the depth chart? Sanu and Gabriel both had great success this season. Shanny doesn't rely on one player, he tailors his game plan week to week. One week it's Freeman getting the work, next it's Gabriel or Julio. He's like a Belicheck that just exploits a defenses weakness, with little concern for feeding a top playmaker.
I think what ninerAxe was getting at is, "which element would help the offense more - dual RBs or #1 WR?". It's true that Shanny utilizes so many of his weapons, but I think Julio being such a threat opens the others up to getting 1v1 matchups. At that point he does what you said, finds and exploits the big mismatch. The one constant, week to week, is Julio getting so much attention