All Things Greg Cossell

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:


Gabbert: Very erratic. Made 2 big time throws in the 4th. He missed a lot. He still plays too fast. Missed Kearly on that deep route because he rushes himself. He doesn't set his feet due to this. He needs to be better with ball placement.

Exactly what Ive been saying. He doesnt stop bouncing when he throws resulting in wildly off target passes.

Yeah but he did this in his 1st preseason game and then settled down more in the remaining games. Let's hope it was more 1st game jitters. He will still patter those feet while going through progressions but let's hope he doesn't rush things.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Yeah but he did this in his 1st preseason game and then settled down more in the remaining games. Let's hope it was more 1st game jitters. He will still patter those feet while going through progressions but let's hope he doesn't rush things.

He did it in every preseason game. Its something he has been doing his entire career, bouncing around as he is throwing the football.


Dude needs to pop a few Ritalin before each game to calm his hyper ass down.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah but he did this in his 1st preseason game and then settled down more in the remaining games. Let's hope it was more 1st game jitters. He will still patter those feet while going through progressions but let's hope he doesn't rush things.

He did it in every preseason game. Its something he has been doing his entire career, bouncing around as he is throwing the football.


Dude needs to pop a few Ritalin before each game to calm his hyper ass down.

There's a difference between keeping the feet moving and actually rushing the throw. He rushed quick throws in preseason week 1 and did not do it after. He still pattered those feet in preseason games 2 and 3, but set when it was time to throw. A lot of QB's patter those feet when they go through progressions.

Originally posted by Joecool:

There's a difference between keeping the feet moving and actually rushing the throw. He rushed quick throws in preseason week 1 and did not do it after. He still pattered those feet in preseason games 2 and 3, but set when it was time to throw. A lot of QB's patter those feet when they go through progressions.

Im not talking about that. There is a huge difference between moving your feet in the pocket and bouncing as you actually throw the football.


He has had issues consistently keeping his feet set when throwing throughout his NFL career and going back to college and countless people have pointed this out throughout the years.

So no its not just because he was nervous for the first game. We saw the same issue last year as well.
It is the way he is and until he fixes that deficiency he will continue to struggle with his accuracy as he has his entire career thus far.


He can get away with it on shorter passes, its the longer throws downfield where you see it really affect him and the ball ends up just sailing on him.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Cossell interview yesterday:

Dial: Played well
Brooks: really likes his role to have a chance to line up anywhere instead of sticking to one spot.
R. Robinson: played well. Thinks Davis is going to lose his job because of Robinson. Compares him to Aqib Talib.

OL:
Tempo: Rams had issues with the tempo offense right from the start. Negated the speed and quickness of the Rams DL.

Overall: It's only one game. 1st game gives more time to prepare so this isn't an excuse for the Rams because they had plenty of time to prepare for the Chip Kelly offense. So did the 49ers. But the 49ers had an impressive victory. They did that last year but there's some good things to build on.

Gabberts: Very erratic. Made 2 big time throws in the 4th. He missed a lot. He still plays too fast. Missed Kearly on that deep route because he rushes himself. He doesn't set his feet due to this. He needs to be better with ball placement. Main point is that he rushes himself.

Chip Kelly offense: Article about how simplistic it is and never evolving (that one long one that was posted here last week) - depends on point of view. Some great running games were very simplistic (Joe Gibbs)...same plays out of different looks. Same with Greg Roman. #1 element in Chip's offense is tempo. Not a lot of concepts but you can't have those if you play fast. Everything has pros and cons. Tends to agree that the offense won't work in the long run. But, he doesn't have enough talent at WR to give it a fair assessment. Put Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson in there, then it will most likely work.

http://www.knbr.com/football-news-podcasts/

Interesting how KNBR hasn't posted the Chip Kelly interview with Kelly and Murph getting into it a little.

I pretty much agree with all of this. Thanks for posting this!

Gabbert: Very erratic. Made 2 big time throws in the 4th. He missed a lot. He still plays too fast. Missed Kearly on that deep route because he rushes himself. He doesn't set his feet due to this. He needs to be better with ball placement. Main point is that he rushes himself.

I've noted his poor footwork last year and it lingered into the pre season and now we're seeing it cost him in game 1. Had he set his feet properly and not angle the tip of the ball down (e.g. when it nose dives on him), he would have had an outstanding night despite not always being on the same page with a couple receivers (understandable).

To me, this is a clear indication of a QB who's been massively abused coming in young to the league. The bottom line is, he doesn't trust his OL yet and he's learned some very poor habits b/c of the pressure he's faced to start his career.

Like Steve Young said, he's got everything you want in a QB...the arm, the athleticism, the ability to read and process defenses pre and post snap, the fire/drive, work ethic, size/measureables, arm strength, range of throws, intangible leadership, etc. BUT, his bad habits are having a ripple effect on his whole game: QB PTSD = Poor Mechanics = Ultra Conservative/Poor Production (at times/inconsistent).

The good news is that his brain is sharp. Kelly can instill more and more confidence in him. When they BOTH watch the Rams tape, they are going to realize, our OL absolutely dominated one of the very best front 7's in football. And therefore, it should only get easier or stay the same going forward. Is the front 7 better in Carolina and Seattle...doubt it with key FA losses, age and wear and tear.

Now, Kelly can start calling some more dynamic play calling, be less conservative and start calling some deep vertical shots with Torrey outside and Kerly down the middle and using McDonald over Celek in the passing game.

Kelly's next step is to help get Gabbert involved in the quick easy passing game early in games as he has a tendency to start out jacked up.

Finally, he's GOT to drill it into Gabbert's head that he just needs to take a deep breath, trust his OL, set his feet, trust his eyes/brain and just fire away. He's got to move the internal clock from sub-2 seconds to 2.5-3.0. And that doesn't happen overnight.

This is the growth and development you'll see between a HC and his QB. And this will be a good game to see if they worked on these things and learned from the Rams game. It'll be something to watch as the season progresses as well.

But make no mistake about it...it starts with Kelly here and this is why Baalke brought in an offensive mind. He and his staff have the tools to work with here but need to refine and evolve/develop them fully to have a good year.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Yeah but he did this in his 1st preseason game and then settled down more in the remaining games. Let's hope it was more 1st game jitters. He will still patter those feet while going through progressions but let's hope he doesn't rush things.

He did it in every preseason game. Its something he has been doing his entire career, bouncing around as he is throwing the football.


Dude needs to pop a few Ritalin before each game to calm his hyper ass down.

He should opt for Xanax. Never understood how Ritalin made people calm down. It was like taking speed whenever I tried it

Joe, can you give us some deets on Kelly and Murph getting into it?

To many arm chair QB experts in this thread

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah but he did this in his 1st preseason game and then settled down more in the remaining games. Let's hope it was more 1st game jitters. He will still patter those feet while going through progressions but let's hope he doesn't rush things.

He did it in every preseason game. Its something he has been doing his entire career, bouncing around as he is throwing the football.


Dude needs to pop a few Ritalin before each game to calm his hyper ass down.

He would opt for Xanax. Never understood how Ritalin made people calm down. It was like taking speed whenever I tried it

interesting

Originally posted by sacniner:
Joe, can you give us some deets on Kelly and Murph getting into it?

the only one i know of is Murph asked something about the game and Kelly told Murph that he was probably watching the Giants apposed to watching the 9er game

Originally posted by sacniner:
Joe, can you give us some deets on Kelly and Murph getting into it?

Found it on the Murph and Mac specific page. It wasn't on the 49ers KNBR Page.

http://www.knbr.com/murph-mac-podcast-presented-by-california-bank-of-commerce/

Originally posted by Joecool:

Cossell interview yesterday:

Dial: Played well
Brooks: really likes his role to have a chance to line up anywhere instead of sticking to one spot.
R. Robinson: played well. Thinks Davis is going to lose his job because of Robinson. Compares him to Aqib Talib.

OL:
Tempo: Rams had issues with the tempo offense right from the start. Negated the speed and quickness of the Rams DL.

Overall: It's only one game. 1st game gives more time to prepare so this isn't an excuse for the Rams because they had plenty of time to prepare for the Chip Kelly offense. So did the 49ers. But the 49ers had an impressive victory. They did that last year but there's some good things to build on.

Gabberts: Very erratic. Made 2 big time throws in the 4th. He missed a lot. He still plays too fast. Missed Kearly on that deep route because he rushes himself. He doesn't set his feet due to this. He needs to be better with ball placement. Main point is that he rushes himself.

Chip Kelly offense: Article about how simplistic it is and never evolving (that one long one that was posted here last week) - depends on point of view. Some great running games were very simplistic (Joe Gibbs)...same plays out of different looks. Same with Greg Roman. #1 element in Chip's offense is tempo. Not a lot of concepts but you can't have those if you play fast. Everything has pros and cons. Tends to agree that the offense won't work in the long run. But, he doesn't have enough talent at WR to give it a fair assessment. Put Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson in there, then it will most likely work.

http://www.knbr.com/football-news-podcasts/

Interesting how KNBR hasn't posted the Chip Kelly interview with Kelly and Murph getting into it a little.

I only caught a bit of it but what did they get into it about? They are such condescending pricks

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

I only caught a bit of it but what did they get into it about? They are such condescending pricks

They were spatting about the TE's I think.....basically all white guys look the same

http://www.49erswebzone.com/news/97869-transcript-kelly-talks-rams-gabbert-davis-panthers-more/

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:
There's a difference between keeping the feet moving and actually rushing the throw. He rushed quick throws in preseason week 1 and did not do it after. He still pattered those feet in preseason games 2 and 3, but set when it was time to throw. A lot of QB's patter those feet when they go through progressions.

Im not talking about that. There is a huge difference between moving your feet in the pocket and bouncing as you actually throw the football.


He has had issues consistently keeping his feet set when throwing throughout his NFL career and going back to college and countless people have pointed this out throughout the years.

So no its not just because he was nervous for the first game. We saw the same issue last year as well.
It is the way he is and until he fixes that deficiency he will continue to struggle with his accuracy as he has his entire career thus far.


He can get away with it on shorter passes, its the longer throws downfield where you see it really affect him and the ball ends up just sailing on him.

Yeah, it's not that he never has set his feet set well, but there are too many times when he doesn't do that. On rewatching the game one of the things I focused on was Gabbert's footwork on passes. There were a fair number of passes where he had his feet planted well and pointed the right way when he released the pass and on most of those the throw was generally pretty good, but almost every time he didn't do that his passes were poor. It seemed to me that when Gabbert was "hopping" while looking for a throw that first his back foot tends to come down and then followed by his front foot. I wonder if it would be better for him to try to bounce and land on both feet more at the same time. I'm not sure but it seemed like he was doing that staggered landing on his feet thing because it makes it easier to take off running when he thinks there are no open receivers and he needs to bail out.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Joe, can you give us some deets on Kelly and Murph getting into it?

Found it on the Murph and Mac specific page. It wasn't on the 49ers KNBR Page.

http://www.knbr.com/murph-mac-podcast-presented-by-california-bank-of-commerce/

Even have a commercial in the URL