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Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by HERN:
Yes.

1. Kaep
2. Gabbert
3. Ponder (inactive)
4. Dryskull ( P.S. )

So which one of the 7 TEs are you cutting to keep Ponder on the roster?

Are giving Ponder Bruce Millers spot?

No reason to keep Ponder. He was there on the free agent market before and he will be there later. We're just getting him to throw some passes to guys for now and then if we need him off the free agent market later he will already know the playbook and be ready to go. There are only so many available quarterbacks every year from the draft who could be something, that are not the Christian Ponders of the world on the FA market around the clock. Driskel is one of those guys worth keeping until year 3 to give him his fair shot.

Kaep
Gabbert
Driskel

Gabbert for sure.

Kaepernick in all likelihood. He will be given time to get in shape and show if he can, or cannot, play a more rounded game than he has in the past. IOW, he will have the chance to play himself on, or off the roster.

Driskel goes to the PS. He is too raw to take a roster spot at this time. If he doesn't clear waivers, he doesn't clear. We don't need him this year, nor is he even close to being ready.

Ponder may stay depending on how CK looks in the rest of PS. If there are any remaining questions about Kaep after the PS, Ponder stays. We cannot take a chance on only Gabbert and an unsettled Kaepernick. Ponder can be an emergency, or perhaps even more than that once he settles in.

Originally posted by dj43:

Gabbert for sure.

Kaepernick in all likelihood. He will be given time to get in shape and show if he can, or cannot, play a more rounded game than he has in the past. IOW, he will have the chance to play himself on, or off the roster.

Driskel goes to the PS. He is too raw to take a roster spot at this time. If he doesn't clear waivers, he doesn't clear. We don't need him this year, nor is he even close to being ready.

Ponder may stay depending on how CK looks in the rest of PS. If there are any remaining questions about Kaep after the PS, Ponder stays. We cannot take a chance on only Gabbert and an unsettled Kaepernick. Ponder can be an emergency, or perhaps even more than that once he settles in.

Damn! This.

Originally posted by 9-54-9er:
No reason to keep Ponder. He was there on the free agent market before and he will be there later. We're just getting him to throw some passes to guys for now and then if we need him off the free agent market later he will already know the playbook and be ready to go. There are only so many available quarterbacks every year from the draft who could be something, that are not the Christian Ponders of the world on the FA market around the clock. Driskel is one of those guys worth keeping until year 3 to give him his fair shot.

Kaep
Gabbert
Driskel

Ponder, just let him practice. but don't play him to much, if he shows signs of life then someone might pick him up as a back up if they are desperate. This way they may balk if not enough film on him to take a chance. That way if we really need him he is there.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by dj43:
Gabbert for sure.

Kaepernick in all likelihood. He will be given time to get in shape and show if he can, or cannot, play a more rounded game than he has in the past. IOW, he will have the chance to play himself on, or off the roster.

Driskel goes to the PS. He is too raw to take a roster spot at this time. If he doesn't clear waivers, he doesn't clear. We don't need him this year, nor is he even close to being ready.

Ponder may stay depending on how CK looks in the rest of PS. If there are any remaining questions about Kaep after the PS, Ponder stays. We cannot take a chance on only Gabbert and an unsettled Kaepernick. Ponder can be an emergency, or perhaps even more than that once he settles in.

Damn! This.

I don't know. If we really think Driskel is a QB who can be a starter with proper development, then we don't put him on the PS. We put him on the roster with headphones to begin the learning process.

Originally posted by WildBill:
Ponder, just let him practice. but don't play him to much, if he shows signs of life then someone might pick him up as a back up if they are desperate. This way they may balk if not enough film on him to take a chance. That way if we really need him he is there.

We are never going to really need him. We are never going to be good enough and even if we were, Ponder isn't getting us there. There is no reason to hold onto a guy that has been and will be available on the free agent market. Everyone in the world has seen Ponder and know him very well. That's why he is half way out of the league and hasn't been signed like a talented player would be.

Try not to forget that teams still have to make cuts and there is absolutely no guarantee teams value Ponder and his demand in the league more than a rookie's who could have future potential. I'm speaking of quarterbacks of course but truthfully there is no guarantee teams will jump at the chance to use a final roster spot on Christian Ponder rather than a rookie they really like and had there on eye, that got cut.

I don't mind the idea of not showing too much regarding pretty much everything football related but when it comes to Ponder it matters about the least. As I said, the entire NFL coaching tree knows Ponder VERY well. That's why he's been sitting in the bleachers while the rest play pick up ball.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't know. If we really think Driskel is a QB who can be a starter with proper development, then we don't put him on the PS. We put him on the roster with headphones to begin the learning process.

this. We invested a pick in one of the rookie quarterbacks in the 2016 NFL draft. That's a VERY good thing. There are roughly 32 QB's or less in the NFL draft each year. That's an average that would allow approximately ONE chance at a QB worth something per year, per team. Meaning because the position is valued more than any other by far, and there are a very limited amount of rookie QB's that could provide any service at all in the future, it is a very good luxury to acquire one of these quarterbacks.

We got lucky and only had to use a 6th round pick to acquire one we really liked. These rookies are better because everyone already knows what the Christian Ponders of the world bring to the table. You can't win with them and can't go all the way with them. But a rookie that nobody knows anything at the NFL level for sure about, carries a huge value. Especially with limited supply.

So in ending Driskel is worth much more to us short and long term. We used a pick and got lucky enough to grab a guy late that we like and believe has a chance to develop. Don't even think of allowing another team to grab him off our practice squad for free when we had to get lucky AND use a pick.

Remember.... ONLY SO MANY QB'S, especially rookies that have the potential and real chance to truly be something in this league.

Originally posted by 9-54-9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't know. If we really think Driskel is a QB who can be a starter with proper development, then we don't put him on the PS. We put him on the roster with headphones to begin the learning process.

this. We invested a pick in one of the rookie quarterbacks in the 2016 NFL draft. That's a VERY good thing. There are roughly 32 QB's or less in the NFL draft each year. That's an average that would allow approximately ONE chance at a QB worth something per year, per team. Meaning because the position is valued more than any other by far, and there are a very limited amount of rookie QB's that could provide any service at all in the future, it is a very good luxury to acquire one of these quarterbacks.

We got lucky and only had to use a 6th round pick to acquire one we really liked. These rookies are better because everyone already knows what the Christian Ponders of the world bring to the table. You can't win with them and can't go all the way with them. But a rookie that nobody knows anything at the NFL level for sure about, carries a huge value. Especially with limited supply.

So in ending Driskel is worth much more to us short and long term. We used a pick and got lucky enough to grab a guy late that we like and believe has a chance to develop. Don't even think of allowing another team to grab him off our practice squad for free when we had to get lucky AND use a pick.

Remember.... ONLY SO MANY QB'S, especially rookies that have the potential and real chance to truly be something in this league.

Personally, I think there are more QB's that were capable of being NFL starters but were never developed properly or were used too soon because they were very athletic and the coaching staff didn't develop them properly because their athleticism was difficult to ignore/use all the time.

There's a reason why Cassell and Garapolo have success in NE. Or why Andy Reid seems to always have an above average QB. So did Mike Holgrem and Bill Walsh and other coaches who understand that being successful at playing QB in the NFL is a process.

So many QB's have the tools but those tools aren't sharpened due to the coaching/GM turnover in the league.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Personally, I think there are more QB's that were capable of being NFL starters but were never developed properly or were used too soon because they were very athletic and the coaching staff didn't develop them properly because their athleticism was difficult to ignore/use all the time.

There's a reason why Cassell and Garapolo have success in NE. Or why Andy Reid seems to always have an above average QB. So did Mike Holgrem and Bill Walsh and other coaches who understand that being successful at playing QB in the NFL is a process.

So many QB's have the tools but those tools aren't sharpened due to the coaching/GM turnover in the league.

This is true to an extent but the problem is they develop bad habits, or are just ruined. From the standpoint of a person on the 49ers staff that is irrelevant though. It's not their concern everyone is a Gabbert or Carr. This is also even more reason to hold onto guys like Driskel and develop them with a guy like Chip.

I'd hardly say Cassell or Garrapollo have had success. I see success as sustainable, not a flash or few games. In that case, Matt Flynn is "successful".

Reid goes out and makes sure he acquires a decent QB. He hardly develops them, although his gameplans do help his QB's and play to their strengths. Of course it's a process to be good at something, especially the hardest position in sports to play.

I agree there are or were a lot of guys that given a better chance and coaching could have been more. At least serviceable back ups for a long career.

So we don't want to put Driskel on P.S. cause a team will sacrafice a spot on their 53 man roster. For a player they passed on drafting 5+ times, haven't seen practice, he isn't on a team with much talent at the QB position but still can't lock down a spot, cause statistic show hitting on a QB in the later rounds is pretty rare but we got one? I'm saying waive him and put him on P.S. if another team claims him so be it. It's no secret we will be going QB early in the next draft or the following draft. Give that 53rd spot to someone who might contribute.

The Hawks could use a back up with access to the new playbook. He would be worth keeping to them at this point for at least a awhile. Ponder only brings slight knowledge and none of the potential that makes him worth holding onto for at least a little while. Things have changed since the draft.

Teams have seen their picks at QB not perform up to their liking and may grab him. He doesn't cost a pick at this point and is cheap. He carries athleticism and long term potential. I think he'd be gone pretty quick actually. Ponder on the free agent market yet again, not so much however.

Just because it's rare to get a QB late doesn't mean it can't happen or that they can't grow into a starter in 3 years. That's like saying it's too rare why try? Might as well throw your hat in the ring, you never know. You said it yourself we need QB's more than anyone else so we better hold onto the ones we take a shot on with a draft pick. Especially since the yet to be determined class is so small.

We may be going QB early next year and if so, what better way to help ourselves than to hold onto the QB we invested in this year to go along with our new 1st round QB? Remember what happened with Robert Griffin and Kirk Cousins? We give ourselves a much better chance by retaining a guy like Driskel with potential that we want to develop. When you draft a 6th round QB you go into it knowing you are going to give the kid 2-3 years minimum to develop and step up.

Next year we will have Driskel with a year under his belt, and a 1st round QB to go into camp with.

We also aren't exactly the team looking for or valuing someone that might contribute, over a QB with real potential to develop (given the appropriate amount of time) that we used a draft pick on. It's not like that contributor is going to make us super bowl contenders or most likely even playoff contenders.

The Hawks used to grab our cuts when we were there primary competition. Now I would assume they grab Cardinal players

I'm not anti Jeff Driskel I do like him I just don't think he would be claimed off waivers. We have a surprisingly deep team so our 53 spots are pretty cherished imo

They'll grab anyone they can use and comes with a playbook bonus. Especially division rivals with new offensive minded head coaches.
Driskel fits their style as well, can be a solid #3 for them time being and develop into a solid back up. Not to mention he has way more time with the playbook than Ponder.

We aren't doing anything special, the 53 spots are whatever. Chip also needs to keep 3 quarterbacks for his system.