We have some options for getting a deal done with Denver.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Option 5 . Trading is not an option anymore

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I think it's still very much an option. Trent won't get what he wants for him so they will be stuck with him.

what part of Denver doesn't have the cap space....do you not understand?

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Option 5 . Trading is not an option anymore

This

that

I think it's still very much an option. Trent won't get what he wants for him so they will be stuck with him.

what part of Denver doesn't have the cap space....do you not understand?

His entire contract would not be a part of the new teams cap hit. There are always ways to work around the cap. A few teams could still trade for him if they wanted. Now or after the 1st. If Kap really wants out bad enough maybe he does agree to redo his deal? There are still many options open.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Option 5 . Trading is not an option anymore

This

that

I think it's still very much an option. Trent won't get what he wants for him so they will be stuck with him.

what part of Denver doesn't have the cap space....do you not understand?

His entire contract would not be a part of the new teams cap hit. There are always ways to work around the cap. A few teams could still trade for him if they wanted. Now or after the 1st. If Kap really wants out bad enough maybe he does agree to redo his deal? There are still many options open.

There aren't many teams interested in trading for him to begin with. What you are suggesting is so far fetched it would require incredible mental gymnastics to even think about how that would work. It is really much simpler. Who needs a QB Badly? So badly they are willing to trade for a guy that was replaced mid season by a back up who played better? Maybe the Jets, Denver, and to really reach down into the barrel, the Rams. Now who has something Baalke and the 49ers want? Because we aren't going to just give him away. And for a Division rival, we would be talking extortionate trade compensation. Who has cap room? Or could maneuver for cap room? And out of those choices who has shown interest? Only the Broncos, and their options are limited. Because if we trade him, and have to still pick up part of his salary, we are definitely going to want something for that. We aren't just going to eat his salary so he can play for someone else. I can just see it now if we actually paid the contract for another teams QB. And in the Broncos case, a Superbowl winning team. Yeah, lets take one of the best teams in the league and pay the salary for their QB...

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Option 5 . Trading is not an option anymore

This

that

I think it's still very much an option. Trent won't get what he wants for him so they will be stuck with him.

what part of Denver doesn't have the cap space....do you not understand?

His entire contract would not be a part of the new teams cap hit. There are always ways to work around the cap. A few teams could still trade for him if they wanted. Now or after the 1st. If Kap really wants out bad enough maybe he does agree to redo his deal? There are still many options open.

There aren't many teams interested in trading for him to begin with. What you are suggesting is so far fetched it would require incredible mental gymnastics to even think about how that would work. It is really much simpler. Who needs a QB Badly? So badly they are willing to trade for a guy that was replaced mid season by a back up who played better? Maybe the Jets, Denver, and to really reach down into the barrel, the Rams. Now who has something Baalke and the 49ers want? Because we aren't going to just give him away. And for a Division rival, we would be talking extortionate trade compensation. Who has cap room? Or could maneuver for cap room? And out of those choices who has shown interest? Only the Broncos, and their options are limited. Because if we trade him, and have to still pick up part of his salary, we are definitely going to want something for that. We aren't just going to eat his salary so he can play for someone else. I can just see it now if we actually paid the contract for another teams QB. And in the Broncos case, a Superbowl winning team. Yeah, lets take one of the best teams in the league and pay the salary for their QB...

Kap's injuries after the Rams game to his hand and knee prevented him from running, jumping or passing a football. Did you expect the team to not bench him?

It's not likely but possible is the main point.

Overthinking much.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Option 5 . Trading is not an option anymore

This

that

I think it's still very much an option. Trent won't get what he wants for him so they will be stuck with him.

what part of Denver doesn't have the cap space....do you not understand?

His entire contract would not be a part of the new teams cap hit. There are always ways to work around the cap. A few teams could still trade for him if they wanted. Now or after the 1st. If Kap really wants out bad enough maybe he does agree to redo his deal? There are still many options open.

There aren't many teams interested in trading for him to begin with. What you are suggesting is so far fetched it would require incredible mental gymnastics to even think about how that would work. It is really much simpler. Who needs a QB Badly? So badly they are willing to trade for a guy that was replaced mid season by a back up who played better? Maybe the Jets, Denver, and to really reach down into the barrel, the Rams. Now who has something Baalke and the 49ers want? Because we aren't going to just give him away. And for a Division rival, we would be talking extortionate trade compensation. Who has cap room? Or could maneuver for cap room? And out of those choices who has shown interest? Only the Broncos, and their options are limited. Because if we trade him, and have to still pick up part of his salary, we are definitely going to want something for that. We aren't just going to eat his salary so he can play for someone else. I can just see it now if we actually paid the contract for another teams QB. And in the Broncos case, a Superbowl winning team. Yeah, lets take one of the best teams in the league and pay the salary for their QB...

Kap's injuries after the Rams game to his hand and knee prevented him from running, jumping or passing a football. Did you expect the team to not bench him?

It's not likely but possible is the main point.

Overthinking much.

Yeah well its also theoretically possible that we will win the Superbowl next year, but it isn't likely. No, I am not overthinking that.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Option 5 . Trading is not an option anymore

This

that

I think it's still very much an option. Trent won't get what he wants for him so they will be stuck with him.

what part of Denver doesn't have the cap space....do you not understand?

His entire contract would not be a part of the new teams cap hit. There are always ways to work around the cap. A few teams could still trade for him if they wanted. Now or after the 1st. If Kap really wants out bad enough maybe he does agree to redo his deal? There are still many options open.

There aren't many teams interested in trading for him to begin with. What you are suggesting is so far fetched it would require incredible mental gymnastics to even think about how that would work. It is really much simpler. Who needs a QB Badly? So badly they are willing to trade for a guy that was replaced mid season by a back up who played better? Maybe the Jets, Denver, and to really reach down into the barrel, the Rams. Now who has something Baalke and the 49ers want? Because we aren't going to just give him away. And for a Division rival, we would be talking extortionate trade compensation. Who has cap room? Or could maneuver for cap room? And out of those choices who has shown interest? Only the Broncos, and their options are limited. Because if we trade him, and have to still pick up part of his salary, we are definitely going to want something for that. We aren't just going to eat his salary so he can play for someone else. I can just see it now if we actually paid the contract for another teams QB. And in the Broncos case, a Superbowl winning team. Yeah, lets take one of the best teams in the league and pay the salary for their QB...

Kap's injuries after the Rams game to his hand and knee prevented him from running, jumping or passing a football. Did you expect the team to not bench him?

It's not likely but possible is the main point.

Overthinking much.

Yeah well its also theoretically possible that we will win the Superbowl next year, but it isn't likely. No, I am not overthinking that.

Um yeah that's far fetched to say the least.

Like I said. Kap's entire contract would not hit Denver's cap this year. It would go on next years cap.

If Denver included a player(s) in the trade it could clear enough space to pay for Kap this year.

Originally posted by SoCold:
Um yeah that's far fetched to say the least.

Like I said. Kap's entire contract would not hit Denver's cap this year. It would go on next years cap.

If Denver included a player(s) in the trade it could clear enough space to pay for Kap this year.

huh? the league year started already, homeboy.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Um yeah that's far fetched to say the least.

Like I said. Kap's entire contract would not hit Denver's cap this year. It would go on next years cap.

If Denver included a player(s) in the trade it could clear enough space to pay for Kap this year.

huh? the league years started already, homeboy.

I don't have time to explain the rules to you. Ask Al Gore.

Kap for their 3 hottest cheerleaders. straight up.

Elway is an idiot and very stubborn if he's not willing to give up a 2nd which is basically a 3rd. Hopefully Baalke doesnt budge, they can enjoy next season with Sanchez as their qb lol... he's basically trying to give us a 5th for kap.. f**k that

Appreciate the effort...but I don't think Kap's going anywhere. Kelly wants very much to coach him up...and I don't see Baalke denying him that opportunity. Elway may just outsmart himself...again. He underestimated the external market for Osweiler...and has only signed Mark Sanchez to play QB for him. Baalke said he wants a 2nd rd pick for Kap...exactly where he was drafted. With the Broncos feeling the rush of star players going out the door, they'll need all the draft picks they can muster this year. As for potential 2017 picks, I don't see that either...at least not until Kelly has a full understanding of what he's got in Kap.

k I have time now.

Ready boast?

salarycap101 NFL Cap Rules.
If a player is cut before the end of his contract, the entire signing bonus money (the remaining prorated bonus money) accelerates immediately and counts against the current salary cap.
The same rule applies when a player is traded or picked up by another team off the waiver wire. The signing bonus remaining on the player's contract accelerates into his old team's current salary cap. The new team takes no cap hit whatsoever.

How does the trade of a player affect the team's Salary Cap?

For the team trading the player, a trade is pretty much treated the same as the release of a player – the team is relieved of paying all future base salaries, but still must account for the bonus money that has already been paid to the player. Just like with the release of a player, the remaining unaccounted-for bonus pro-rations will accelerate and count against the team's Salary Cap.

For the team acquiring the player, a trade means that the new team acquires the player's remaining contract, but does not have any liability for any bonus money previously paid to the player.

Every contract is different and Kaps is stupid so the numbers might be a little off.

His base is guaranteed after April 1st, also for injury. $11.9m
Signing Bonus $2,465,753
Roster Bonus $1,125,000
Workout Bonus $400,000

Cap hit $15,890,753
Dead money $7,397,260

If the 49ers trade Kap they take the cap hit this year, Denver takes over the remain part of his base salary for 2016, takes no cap hit.

We would have to see the wording in Kaps contract to know exactly how much the 49ers and the new team would be on the hook for. They cap space for the new team he would go to is not an issue.

It's not rocket science it's just science.

Originally posted by SoCold:
k I have time now.

Ready boast?

salarycap101 NFL Cap Rules.
If a player is cut before the end of his contract, the entire signing bonus money (the remaining prorated bonus money) accelerates immediately and counts against the current salary cap.
The same rule applies when a player is traded or picked up by another team off the waiver wire. The signing bonus remaining on the player's contract accelerates into his old team's current salary cap. The new team takes no cap hit whatsoever.

How does the trade of a player affect the team's Salary Cap?

For the team trading the player, a trade is pretty much treated the same as the release of a player – the team is relieved of paying all future base salaries, but still must account for the bonus money that has already been paid to the player. Just like with the release of a player, the remaining unaccounted-for bonus pro-rations will accelerate and count against the team's Salary Cap.

For the team acquiring the player, a trade means that the new team acquires the player's remaining contract, but does not have any liability for any bonus money previously paid to the player.

Every contract is different and Kaps is stupid so the numbers might be a little off.

His base is guaranteed after April 1st, also for injury. $11.9m
Signing Bonus $2,465,753
Roster Bonus $1,125,000
Workout Bonus $400,000

Cap hit $15,890,753
Dead money $7,397,260

If the 49ers trade Kap they take the cap hit this year, Denver takes over the remain part of his base salary for 2016, takes no cap hit.

We would have to see the wording in Kaps contract to know exactly how much the 49ers and the new team would be on the hook for. They cap space for the new team he would go to is not an issue.

It's not rocket science it's just science.

that just refers to signing bonus monies tho. DEN would still need to have space for Kap's base salary ($11.9M) available.

I like offering some late round picks to move up the pick to the 2nd. Kap a 6th, 5thx2 for their 2nd.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SoCold:
k I have time now.

Ready boast?

salarycap101 NFL Cap Rules.
If a player is cut before the end of his contract, the entire signing bonus money (the remaining prorated bonus money) accelerates immediately and counts against the current salary cap.
The same rule applies when a player is traded or picked up by another team off the waiver wire. The signing bonus remaining on the player's contract accelerates into his old team's current salary cap. The new team takes no cap hit whatsoever.

How does the trade of a player affect the team's Salary Cap?

For the team trading the player, a trade is pretty much treated the same as the release of a player – the team is relieved of paying all future base salaries, but still must account for the bonus money that has already been paid to the player. Just like with the release of a player, the remaining unaccounted-for bonus pro-rations will accelerate and count against the team's Salary Cap.

For the team acquiring the player, a trade means that the new team acquires the player's remaining contract, but does not have any liability for any bonus money previously paid to the player.

Every contract is different and Kaps is stupid so the numbers might be a little off.

His base is guaranteed after April 1st, also for injury. $11.9m
Signing Bonus $2,465,753
Roster Bonus $1,125,000
Workout Bonus $400,000

Cap hit $15,890,753
Dead money $7,397,260

If the 49ers trade Kap they take the cap hit this year, Denver takes over the remain part of his base salary for 2016, takes no cap hit.

We would have to see the wording in Kaps contract to know exactly how much the 49ers and the new team would be on the hook for. They cap space for the new team he would go to is not an issue.

It's not rocket science it's just science.

that just refers to signing bonus monies tho. DEN would still need to have space for Kap's base salary ($11.9M) available.

but you said a trade is not possible because Denver doesn't have the cap space. That's not even a factor.

Even if they are on the hook for all $11.9 there's lots of time for Denver to make room for Kaps fist $700,000 game check after week 1 of the regular season. Denver would owe him $0 until then.