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Week 11 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game...
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:26 AM
- lamontb
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Definite yes man
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:30 AM
- English
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Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by English:
No. Abrasive interpersonal skills are NOT the opposite to a yes man. You never met an one with good interpersonal skills? They do not have to be yes men. This is how you get on with people, not whether you have backbone.
I don't think York hired Tomsula because he was easy to handle, and on re-reading, that was not what I said.
Okay, got you. So, you think York hired Tomsula because of his interpersonal skills (I'm assuming exceptional interpersonal skills). We can agree to disagree. Bay Area reporters who are more in the know than us fans have said Gase was the Niners guy until they commanded him to hire Tomsula as the DC. Gase wanted Fangio so they make Tomsula the head coach.
Just sounds like they wanted someone who wouldn't disobey, especially after Harbs. But we can agree to disagree.
I mean, why the hell would they hire Tomsula? Based on what? Just his amazing interpersonal skills? Sounds like BS.
It would be BS, if that was all it was. Your question has been answered elsewhere in this thread.
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:32 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by sacniner:lol, you making up stuff now
Originally posted by English:
No. Abrasive interpersonal skills are NOT the opposite to a yes man. You never met an one with good interpersonal skills? They do not have to be yes men. This is how you get on with people, not whether you have backbone.
I don't think York hired Tomsula because he was easy to handle, and on re-reading, that was not what I said.
Okay, got you. So, you think York hired Tomsula because of his interpersonal skills (I'm assuming exceptional interpersonal skills). We can agree to disagree. Bay Area reporters who are more in the know than us fans have said Gase was the Niners guy until they commanded him to hire Tomsula as the DC. Gase wanted Fangio so they make Tomsula the head coach.
Just sounds like they wanted someone who wouldn't disobey, especially after Harbs. But we can agree to disagree.
I mean, why the hell would they hire Tomsula? Based on what? Just his amazing interpersonal skills? Sounds like BS.
Fangio said he wouldn't coach for Gase, he wanted someone like Shanny or another veteran coach
Gase wasn't looked at to be a HC anyways..
There were no good HC candidates...but you have to hire somebody right..might as well hire from within till you can find the right guy
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:33 AM
- Joecool
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Who is faster, Patton or Ellington? Patton seems to be the faster top speed player. Wish we would use him more down the seam over the top like SEA uses Lockette or ARI uses Brown.
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM
- sacniner
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by English:
No. Abrasive interpersonal skills are NOT the opposite to a yes man. You never met an one with good interpersonal skills? They do not have to be yes men. This is how you get on with people, not whether you have backbone.
I don't think York hired Tomsula because he was easy to handle, and on re-reading, that was not what I said.
Okay, got you. So, you think York hired Tomsula because of his interpersonal skills (I'm assuming exceptional interpersonal skills). We can agree to disagree. Bay Area reporters who are more in the know than us fans have said Gase was the Niners guy until they commanded him to hire Tomsula as the DC. Gase wanted Fangio so they make Tomsula the head coach.
Just sounds like they wanted someone who wouldn't disobey, especially after Harbs. But we can agree to disagree.
I mean, why the hell would they hire Tomsula? Based on what? Just his amazing interpersonal skills? Sounds like BS.
It would be BS, if that was all it was. Your question has been answered elsewhere in this thread.
I've never heard why Tomsula was hired. Jed said because he's some kinda teacher which is obvious BS now 10 games into the season. If you had rational opinions as to why (besides interpersonal skills) you probably would have invested the extra 20 seconds to type the reasons why as opposed to saying "your question has been answered elsewhere in the thread."
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:40 AM
- sacniner
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by sacniner:lol, you making up stuff now
Originally posted by English:
No. Abrasive interpersonal skills are NOT the opposite to a yes man. You never met an one with good interpersonal skills? They do not have to be yes men. This is how you get on with people, not whether you have backbone.
I don't think York hired Tomsula because he was easy to handle, and on re-reading, that was not what I said.
Okay, got you. So, you think York hired Tomsula because of his interpersonal skills (I'm assuming exceptional interpersonal skills). We can agree to disagree. Bay Area reporters who are more in the know than us fans have said Gase was the Niners guy until they commanded him to hire Tomsula as the DC. Gase wanted Fangio so they make Tomsula the head coach.
Just sounds like they wanted someone who wouldn't disobey, especially after Harbs. But we can agree to disagree.
I mean, why the hell would they hire Tomsula? Based on what? Just his amazing interpersonal skills? Sounds like BS.
Fangio said he wouldn't coach for Gase, he wanted someone like Shanny or another veteran coach
Gase wasn't looked at to be a HC anyways..
There were no good HC candidates...but you have to hire somebody right..might as well hire from within till you can find the right guy
I'm making stuff up lol? Not really man. I can copy some links in but then you would just bash the non-homer writer. Do you have direct quotes from Fangio or Gase? Oh, you don't cool.
Read this: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2015/11/23/is-jed-york-lidown-has-begun/
"And maybe even Chicago OC Adam Gase, who turned the 49ers down last winter when he thought he had the job but then was told at the 11th hour that he'd only get it if he made Tomsula his DC. Gase–who wanted to retain Vic Fangio as DC–said no thanks, so the 49ers hired Tomsula as the HC. Gase then repeatedly declined Tomsula's entreaties to come to the 49ers as OC."
Cool logic, in your expert opinion there was no one so hire the worst candidate. No wonder this season has been so s*itty.
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:45 AM
- 951NINER
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Originally posted by sacniner:
Cunninghame fell in love w/ celebrity? When was that? In Philly? Seems like Kap may have also, but I don't give a shi* about that if he can play well.
Kap may have flashes in the future but he'll NEVER be consistently awesome. Why? Because of his mental makeup. Defenses will constantly scheme to confuse him and when he starts thinking too much, well we've seen what happens. Unless he goes to a team that is just great (coaching, teammates, locker room) he'll have the same struggles. Its frustrating because he shows flashes and then goes to being non-functional.
How long would you give him? Another year? Is he worth the salary and cap hit?
I have to agree with the bolded statement. Russell Wilson seems to going through this now. Reports from Mortenson at ESPN is that teammates in the locker room are saying he's "too hollywood" now. Not well liked. Kap went through it as well. We don't know if he liked it too much but it breeds envy.
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:46 AM
- 951NINER
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
3) Tomsula: Yeah...I'm kinda done. I love the guy, but he isn't a HC (not that this is exactly earth-shattering news). WAY too conservative at the end of the game, and this wasn't the first time. My fear is that Jed will blame this season on all of the offseason losses and give Tomsula another year. I have never bought into the "York won't fire him because of his ego to admit his move failed", but I DO buy into the fact that Jed has liked Tomsula for a long time and doesn't want to pull the carpet out from under a guy he loves. As many others have suggested in the past, Dave Campo in Dallas is who this reminds me of.
I think Tomsula could have been a decent caretaker of a great team that was still intact, but he's just not the guy to rebuild it.
Kaepernick and Gabbert saved Tomsula's job IMO. One) Kaepernick will be made the scapegoat to this horrid first half of the season. Two) Gabbert has shown this team can be somewhat competitive earning another year for Tomsula to keep working.
Which is why I don't want to win anymore meaningless games. I know the players don't think that way but why go 6-10 and keep Tomsula while getting screwed out of a top 3 pick ?
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:47 AM
- 49ers81
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I guess I am alone in the opinion that the jury is still out on Tomsula. I would be surprised if he didn't get at least another year. You see talk all the time on this forum about how this rookie or that rookie needs another year of seasoning to reach his potential. Why should it be any different with head coaches? This is Tomsula's first year as a head coach in the NFL I'm sure there is a learning curve for these things just as there is in any other job. After all of the success he's had in New England it's easy to forget that Bill Belichick was once the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, his first head coaching job in the NFL as I recall, and he got fired after a couple of seasons because he couldn't get it done with the team that he had. Make of that what you will.
York and Baalke have known Tomsula for a long time, long enough to have made some sort of reasonable assessment of what he might bring to the team as a head coach. It seems unlikely that they would fire him after one season. While there are certainly aspects of this season's 3-7 record that can be laid at his door I'm not sure that he bears the brunt of the blame.
York and Baalke have known Tomsula for a long time, long enough to have made some sort of reasonable assessment of what he might bring to the team as a head coach. It seems unlikely that they would fire him after one season. While there are certainly aspects of this season's 3-7 record that can be laid at his door I'm not sure that he bears the brunt of the blame.
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:48 AM
- Truman49
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
I was good with Jed York till he fired Harbaugh. That's one of two reasons why I can't stand Jed York, the other was the hiring of Tomsula. Other than that I'm good.
Although Baalke has been average at best the last few years, but I could live with him for another year. The problems are York and Marathe. The York's are too insular. There needs to be an experienced NFL person in the team president position.
Will Tomsula go? My guess is they will give him one more year. Should he go? Yes.
I really feel sorry for Tomsula, he was never qualified for to be a head coach and was give a team void of talent. Now he will get all the blame.
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:56 AM
- English
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Originally posted by sacniner:
I've never heard why Tomsula was hired. Jed said because he's some kinda teacher which is obvious BS now 10 games into the season. If you had rational opinions as to why (besides interpersonal skills) you probably would have invested the extra 20 seconds to type the reasons why as opposed to saying "your question has been answered elsewhere in the thread."
post 21.
Way to be difficult.
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:57 AM
- Dsoto87
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Originally posted by sacniner:I'm making stuff up lol? Not really man. I can copy some links in but then you would just bash the non-homer writer. Do you have direct quotes from Fangio or Gase? Oh, you don't cool.
Read this: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2015/11/23/is-jed-york-lidown-has-begun/
"And maybe even Chicago OC Adam Gase, who turned the 49ers down last winter when he thought he had the job but then was told at the 11th hour that he'd only get it if he made Tomsula his DC. Gase–who wanted to retain Vic Fangio as DC–said no thanks, so the 49ers hired Tomsula as the HC. Gase then repeatedly declined Tomsula's entreaties to come to the 49ers as OC."
Cool logic, in your expert opinion there was no one so hire the worst candidate. No wonder this season has been so s*itty.
No where does it say that fangio would have worked under gase. It only says that gase would have kept fangio as DC had he been named head coach. I remember the narrative being that fangio either wanted to be head coach or would only work under someone experienced like Shanahan. He did not want to work under a first time head coach which included gase.
Nov 23, 2015 at 9:59 AM
- thl408
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Not upset at the loss because I won't expect the 49ers to win in SEA until they actually win in SEA.
Seemed like the 49ers were still on their bye week to start the game. The offense and defense were downright putrid with the offense going '3 and out' on their first two possessions and the defense giving up 3 TDs on the first 3 SEA possessions. The poor tackling was from start to finish. Still, there was a portion of them game where the 49ers looked like they'd make it a contest going into the 4th quarter. That feeling was shattered from what I thought was the back breaking play of the game.
With the score 23-13 early in the 4th and the 49ers finally showing some life, Baldwin caught a WR screen behind the LoS and took it for 21 yards up the sideline as 4 49ers missed the tackle, 5 if you count the sideline which is always a defender's friend. This is after they addressed missed tackles during halftime. SEA went on to score a TD and that's officially gg.
I can't place all the blame on Mangini for this poor defensive showing. Sure he could have stressed tackling, but that's a fundamental that the position coaches need to keep up to par. It's like an OC calling a good play where the QB throws it to an open WR, but the WR drops the ball. Everything is fine until the execution of a very basic skill. Except for a couple isolated instances, tackling wasn't a problematic issue this season. From the looks of it, it seemed like a lot of zone defense, which is what we've been seeing all season from Mangini. A benefit of zone is watching the ball and being able to gang tackle. So it's not like Mangini was calling man coverage and putting the players in 1v1 situations all over the field. To me, poor tackling is a sign that the players have mailed it in. I'm sure they loved their bye week.
Very easy for me to find the silver lining in a loss - better draft pick, and get Tomsula out of here.
Seemed like the 49ers were still on their bye week to start the game. The offense and defense were downright putrid with the offense going '3 and out' on their first two possessions and the defense giving up 3 TDs on the first 3 SEA possessions. The poor tackling was from start to finish. Still, there was a portion of them game where the 49ers looked like they'd make it a contest going into the 4th quarter. That feeling was shattered from what I thought was the back breaking play of the game.
With the score 23-13 early in the 4th and the 49ers finally showing some life, Baldwin caught a WR screen behind the LoS and took it for 21 yards up the sideline as 4 49ers missed the tackle, 5 if you count the sideline which is always a defender's friend. This is after they addressed missed tackles during halftime. SEA went on to score a TD and that's officially gg.
I can't place all the blame on Mangini for this poor defensive showing. Sure he could have stressed tackling, but that's a fundamental that the position coaches need to keep up to par. It's like an OC calling a good play where the QB throws it to an open WR, but the WR drops the ball. Everything is fine until the execution of a very basic skill. Except for a couple isolated instances, tackling wasn't a problematic issue this season. From the looks of it, it seemed like a lot of zone defense, which is what we've been seeing all season from Mangini. A benefit of zone is watching the ball and being able to gang tackle. So it's not like Mangini was calling man coverage and putting the players in 1v1 situations all over the field. To me, poor tackling is a sign that the players have mailed it in. I'm sure they loved their bye week.
Very easy for me to find the silver lining in a loss - better draft pick, and get Tomsula out of here.
Nov 23, 2015 at 10:00 AM
- Dsoto87
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Originally posted by thl408:Not upset at the loss because I won't expect the 49ers to win in SEA until they actually win in SEA.
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Nov 23, 2015 at 10:04 AM
- BodhiPaddlesOut
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Making excuses for an owner hiring an underwhelming position coach in today's NFL.
Where is johnydel?
Where is johnydel?