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49ers turn Jarryd Hayne into a wide receiver?
Nov 9, 2015 at 4:49 AM
- thirthyeight
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Should the 49ers turn Jarryd Hayne into a wide receiver?
Carl Bandwith -
November 9, 2015
It's no secret that Jarryd is 'old' for a running back. Especially a running back trying to learn the game from scratch. We are being told that inexperience, blocking technique and operating between the tackles are the reasons that Jarryd was sent back to the practice squad. Also, Coach Tomsula doesn't seem to think that Jarryd is big enough to be a 'power back'. So aside from eating Mcdonalds, Jarryd has some work to do.
Space – The final frontierWe have heard repeatedly from the coaching staff about how great Jarryd is in space. We have seen it ourselves in the preseason and for years in the National Rugby League (NRL). It is no secret that there is more open space available to a wide receiver. The preseason showed he could run basic patters. It also showed what he could with the broken-field running available to a wide receiver. Most notable the 18 yard reception against Denver. So why not put him where he operates best?
… he can play in space. He's a premier athlete in the world in space – Jim Tomsula in pre-season
Including that catch against Denver, Jarryd caught three catches for 35 yards at an average of 11.7 yards in the preseason. He has also caught one pass for seven yards in the regular season. OK, OK, I'll get in first.
"But Carl", I hear you say, "it's the preseason, it doesn't mean anything".
No, it doesn't. but what it shows is that he has the basic skills to play as a receiver. He showed that he could run a route, catch and run. The same as the preseason showed he had the skills worthy of playing as a running back. At the very least he showed an ability to catch passes in traffic. A skill which will be necessary if he is to make the switch.
Imagine this scenario.
Four wide set. Boldin, Smith out wide. Ellington and Hayne as the slot receivers and Hyde in the backfield. Think about it. Let it marinate for a little. Who do you cover?
The rebuildNow, of course, this is just a hypothetical, and the 49ers would have to take a risk in order to change Haynes designation but I think it would open up so many opportunities. Opportunities for Hayne to develop a second skill set to complement his punt and kick returning skills. And opportunities for the 49ers to harness Jarryd's skills for the benefit of the team.
At the very least it will reduce the learning curve Jarryd is currently facing. By switching to wide receiver the blocking required would be less complex. Their would rarely be a tackle in site.
I understand that playing receiver is not all about running routes and catching. I know that there are nuances to the position that will also require some coaching. All of these things can be learned and developed while Jarryd is on the practice squad. The 49ers have a wealth of talented, and experienced, wide receivers who could teach Jarryd the finer points of wide receiving. He would have a challenge to make the roster but since this is a hypothetical that's not even an issue.
So what do you think? Do you think I've gone mad?
More at link...
http://49aus.com/49ers-turn-jarryd-hayne-wide-receiver/
Nov 9, 2015 at 4:54 AM
- thirthyeight
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Jarryd Hayne receives huge endorsement from 49ers' greatest receiver
THERE is no name more adored in San Francisco football than Jerry Rice.
The wide receiver is one of the most revered players in the NFL.
It's why his verdict over Jarryd Hayne's NFL prospects is a big deal.
Rice has delivered an incredible show of support for the 27-year-old Aussie ahead of a potential NFL debut in the 49ers' season-opener against the Minnesota Vikings at Levi's Stadium on Tuesday (AEST).
The three-time Super Bowl champion has sensationally declared Hayne a special talent that will have a huge impact on the 49ers' 2015 season — saying he even sees similarities between Hayne and himself.
"There are only a few players in the NFL that when the ball comes to them, everyone is expecting something special," Rice told Fairfax.
"I expect that with him.
"He's got that vision on the field — something I always had.
"When I caught the football, I could see exactly where everyone was coming from. That's unique. I think he's got that type of vision. When you have that, which a lot of players don't have that, the sky is the limit for this man."
Rice, considered the greatest wide receiver of all time, said Hayne is on track to develop into a genuine NFL star.
"Once he really gets the feel for this game, I think he's going to take it to a whole different level," he said.
"I think he's going to be a very big factor for the San Francisco 49ers.
"I think he's only going to get better with more experience and confidence. They are going to have to involve him. They're going to have to involve him even as running back. They are going to have to design plays for him.
"I don't see this guy going backwards, I can only see him going forwards."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/jarryd-hayne-receives-huge-endorsement-from-49ers-greatest-receiver/story-fnq2nnu6-1227522569272
THERE is no name more adored in San Francisco football than Jerry Rice.
The wide receiver is one of the most revered players in the NFL.
It's why his verdict over Jarryd Hayne's NFL prospects is a big deal.
Rice has delivered an incredible show of support for the 27-year-old Aussie ahead of a potential NFL debut in the 49ers' season-opener against the Minnesota Vikings at Levi's Stadium on Tuesday (AEST).
The three-time Super Bowl champion has sensationally declared Hayne a special talent that will have a huge impact on the 49ers' 2015 season — saying he even sees similarities between Hayne and himself.
"There are only a few players in the NFL that when the ball comes to them, everyone is expecting something special," Rice told Fairfax.
"I expect that with him.
"He's got that vision on the field — something I always had.
"When I caught the football, I could see exactly where everyone was coming from. That's unique. I think he's got that type of vision. When you have that, which a lot of players don't have that, the sky is the limit for this man."
Rice, considered the greatest wide receiver of all time, said Hayne is on track to develop into a genuine NFL star.
"Once he really gets the feel for this game, I think he's going to take it to a whole different level," he said.
"I think he's going to be a very big factor for the San Francisco 49ers.
"I think he's only going to get better with more experience and confidence. They are going to have to involve him. They're going to have to involve him even as running back. They are going to have to design plays for him.
"I don't see this guy going backwards, I can only see him going forwards."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/jarryd-hayne-receives-huge-endorsement-from-49ers-greatest-receiver/story-fnq2nnu6-1227522569272
Nov 9, 2015 at 4:56 AM
- communist
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we certainly don't need an extra thread for every issue with hayne. thank you.
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:01 AM
- aussiepeter
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sounds good in theory....dont think he fast enough.... but hey ive only been watching for 3 months so i wouldnt know
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:02 AM
- thirthyeight
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Originally posted by communist:
we certainly don't need an extra thread for every issue with hayne. thank you.
Jerry Rice demands it! And who are you to smother freedom odf speech? A communist? Get back under the bed if you cant contribute to what Jerry has said....
Pete Carroll (?) said he would have used Hayne in different ways. Perhaps WR was one of the best ways?. More space and less complicated...
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[ Edited by thirthyeight on Nov 9, 2015 at 5:27 AM ]
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:03 AM
- dilligaf
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Hmmm if wide isnt as complex as running
and wide is provided with open spaces then yes hayne would live to ply his skills, but he is not. RB is where they want him.
and wide is provided with open spaces then yes hayne would live to ply his skills, but he is not. RB is where they want him.
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:04 AM
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Originally posted by aussiepeter:
sounds good in theory....dont think he fast enough.... but hey ive only been watching for 3 months so i wouldnt know
In the combine Hayne would have been 5th fastest over 40m this season, and 2nd fastest for his height and size. His speed isn't an issue.
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:06 AM
- thirthyeight
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When someone like Rice says he sees himself in someone, and they should play more in his position, people should listen. Like Mr Potato (with Mo).
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:10 AM
- aussiepeter
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Originally posted by thirthyeight:Originally posted by aussiepeter:sounds good in theory....dont think he fast enough.... but hey ive only been watching for 3 months so i wouldnt know
In the combine Hayne would have been 5th fastest over 40m this season, and 2nd fastest for his height and size. His speed isn't an issue.
Yeh 40 time straight line no interference.... he going to have a cb attached to him.... look at todays game that julio jones he had the rookie cromatie???( sorry dude cant spell ya name) in his face... now imagine hayne and an experience cb it would be intercept city imo
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:13 AM
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Originally posted by aussiepeter:
Originally posted by thirthyeight:
Originally posted by aussiepeter:
sounds good in theory....dont think he fast enough.... but hey ive only been watching for 3 months so i wouldnt know
In the combine Hayne would have been 5th fastest over 40m this season, and 2nd fastest for his height and size. His speed isn't an issue.
Yeh 40 time straight line no interference.... he going to have a cb attached to him.... look at todays game that julio jones he had the rookie cromatie???( sorry dude cant spell ya name) in his face... now imagine hayne and an experience cb it would be intercept city imo
Youd start him simple. Here, go to link and read the whole thing. It goes through that.. http://49aus.com/49ers-turn-jarryd-hayne-wide-receiver/
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:13 AM
- Zealot
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Just pop a copy in the Niners suggestion box when next you're round that way mate.
[ Edited by Zealot on Nov 9, 2015 at 5:13 AM ]
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:17 AM
- thirthyeight
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What is a slot receiver?A slot receiver is a player that lines up between the last offensive lineman and the wide receiver on that side of the line. The players circled below are lining up in what is known as the 'slot'.
Players such as Julian Edelman of the Patriots, Cole Beasley of the Cowboys, and Randall Cobb of the Packers are three slot receiver that are among the most effective in the NFL currently.
Edelman has had 52 catches for 584 yards at an average of 11.2 yards per catch this year. Randall Cobb has had 36 catches for 377 Yards at an average 10.5 and Beasley with 22 catches for 214 yards at an average of 9.7 yards per catch.
Collectively they have had 694 catches for 7882 yards all at over 10 yards per catch over their respective careers. From those statistics alone you can see how valuable an effective slot receiver can be to a team's offense. This type of production is what Jarryd would need to produce in order to excel at the position. His preseason average of 11.7 yards per catch suggests that it is indeed possible that he could achieve such output.
So what are the qualities of a good slot receiver? Could he even play the position?Hands. No, not having them. Being able to catch and catch under pressure or in traffic. Having 'soft' hands as they say.
Running crisp routes. Takes practice and needs to be drilled, drilled and drilled in order to develop a relationship and trust with your quarterback.
The ability to understand the defender covering you, their traits and abilities, and the confidence to game plan against them and execute on game day.
The final piece is having no fear. The slot receiver will be covered by, and tackled by, hard-hitting linebackers and safeties so you need to be tough.
Jarryd would have to work hard to gain the trust of his coaches to play this position, but his work ethic and natural athletic ability tell me he would not have any trouble making the transition to a slot wider receiver.
http://49aus.com/49ers-turn-jarryd-hayne-wide-receiver/
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:20 AM
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Originally posted by Zealot:
Just pop a copy in the Niners suggestion box when next you're round that way mate.
I think id pop one in the 'NFL Politics' box. I recon they have more motivation for Hayne to succeed than the 9ers. All sorts of reasons for closer ties between Australia and America. Culturally, and politically. Hayne has been phenomenal for it.
[ Edited by thirthyeight on Nov 9, 2015 at 5:21 AM ]
Nov 9, 2015 at 5:24 AM
- communist
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we have got two threads already.Originally posted by thirthyeight:Jerry Rice demands it! And who are you to smother freedom od speech? A communist? Get back under the bed if you can contribute to what Jerry has said....
Pete Collins (?) said he would have used Hayne in different ways. Perhaps WR was one of thebest ways. More space and less complicated...
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running crisp routes, catching the ball (Hayne cannot even catch punts, just sayin), blocking and reading the defense is easy? ok, will have a tryout with the niners tomorrow.