Week 8 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

I have to admit...I'm usually pretty good at rewatching these games and coming away feeling better...but it's getting harder and harder.



1) Kap: Again (broken record) he didn't play well, but given the dysfunction around him (and possibly because of him...more on that later) it's impossible to put this all on him. Yeah, I see that some teammates want him benched. Not in that camp...yet.... Not seeing Torrey wide open is kinda damning tho. I guess my hesitation in benching Kap is that I don't really get what it would solve. He's either the guy going forward or he's not. Him being on the bench doesn't help make that argument one way or the other. All it would do is show how bad Gabbert is and actually make people long for Kap again. At least that's what I think will happen.

Gabbert might play better for a bit...but Gabberts biggest weakness was that he because coimpletely non-functional under pressure...and now peeps want to put him behind THAT line?



2) Chryst: So this one is really about both Kap and Chryst...and the O in general. I know people hate Chryst and have hated him since the day one. I'm not going to defend him per se, but I think it should be pointed out that he's in a really rough spot. He's got a line that can't run or pass block, a QB who's completely shell-shocked, down his best WR who runs 4.8-4.9 on a good day, and yesterday was down to his 5th RB.

How do you call an offense under those conditions? You simplify for the QB, but then the D just sits on the routes. I see him dialing up the same simply plays time after time hoping for a better result and ordinarily that would drive me nuts...but what are his other options? So many parts not functioning correctly...at some point the players need to make the damn plays.

Now I'm not saying Chryst has been great...but I actually feel for the guy. What the hell is he supposed to do when his line can't block, his QB has become completely risk averse and terrified of his own shadow and he's down his best skill position players?

Yikes. He thought he had it bad when Leaf was his QB.



3) O-Line: I don't know that I can say something here that I haven't already said in just about every other "Thoughts" thread. They suck. Plain and simple. They aren't getting better. They won't get better till different players are playing.



4) Mike Davis: I actually like the guy and he got no help. Still though...he needs to make SOME of those guys miss in the backfield. I realize it's a tall order with that line, but come on man...you gotta make someone miss.



5) Dawson: Good for the old man...still getting it done as a kicker AND had a 47 yard punt.



6) Vernon: Bye Vernon. Yer done. If he's not traded, he's gone in the offseason. Shadow of his former self. Doesn't even appear to try to break tackles. Goes out of bounds without much of a fight. Was never a great TE in the classic sense (mismatch nightmare, but never really filled the TE "find and open spot and be the QBs best friend" role) and now that his skillset is declining...he's next to useless.



7) Defense: Again played good enough to win. To bad the offense is so horrifically bad. No pressure again but outside of the breakdowns on the 71 yard Gurley run (this just in: he's good) they played fairly well against the run. What can I say...baby steps.



8) Tartt: Was nice to see him out there getting some experience. I don't think Bethea will be back so I think that injury is a blessing in disguise. This year is lost. Might as well get those young guys some playing time so they are more ready next year. That should be the theme of everything...get the young guys in there. Armstead. Thomas. Hell, how is Smelter doing in his rehab? Gotta get these guys in there with some playing time so they aren't rookies all over again next year.



9) Bush: I feel for the guy...but all I was thinking when he want down was "seriously"? I don't yet know the extent of it, but man...time to retire Reggie.



10) Draft: Looks like I'll be looking at draft eligible players pretty early this year.

the team is so bad I dont even feel reading this post, thats how bad things have gone.

this game was really winnable up to the end of the 3rd quarter... had we just put a solid offensive game plan, and had Kaeperdink threw 2 fine balls (like he did last year to Lloyd) and scored a TD or two, I fully believe that we would win the game.

Also, I never got it cleared, was the defensive TD the right call??? shouldn't the TD gets voided but the 49ers to keep the ball??

Originally posted by susweel:
the team is so bad I dont even feel reading this post, thats how bad things have gone.

How do think I feel writing it? I feel ya.

Originally posted by 9moon:
this game was really winnable up to the end of the 3rd quarter... had we just put a solid offensive game plan, and had Kaeperdink threw 2 fine balls (like he did last year to Lloyd) and scored a TD or two, I fully believe that we would win the game.

Also, I never got it cleared, was the defensive TD the right call??? shouldn't the TD gets voided but the 49ers to keep the ball??

Niners recovered the fumble AFTER the facemask and the player who fumbled might have been able to recover the fumble if not for the facemask.

Which reminds me...

11) Ahmad Brooks: Hey Ahmad, we can see you. You are on camera. The refs can see you. STOP GRABBING FACEMASKS!!

Originally posted by 9moon:
this game was really winnable up to the end of the 3rd quarter... had we just put a solid offensive game plan, and had Kaeperdink threw 2 fine balls (like he did last year to Lloyd) and scored a TD or two, I fully believe that we would win the game.

Also, I never got it cleared, was the defensive TD the right call??? shouldn't the TD gets voided but the 49ers to keep the ball??

Penalty was before we had possesion. That hurt quite a bit.

Agree the defense played well enough to win. You can only defend so many possesions. That was an insane number of punts.

Agree on the Chryst point. He isn't a premiere OC, but damn, how do you succeed with this? How much can you simplify an offense in the NFL? WTF is he supposed to do? And no, the head coach can't help him because he doesn't' know s**t.

Re: Gabbert - I think we all saw Gabberts issues when he played for Jacksonville. That said, he's improved since then. We can see it in his performances in the pre-seasons over the last couple years.

This year he out performed Kap in pre-season and I didn't think much of it because, well, it was pre-season. One of the things I noticed was that he was more comfortable in the pocket AND that he was getting rid of the ball to a check down when the pocket was falling apart. So I don't think we can hold on to our previous opinions based on his early career performances.


Re: VD - I agree he's done. He was always about his athletic ability. Guess what's the first thing to go on a NFL player? He's got nothing else to fall back on. I suspect that if he goes somewhere else he might have 1 decent year before he fades into oblivion.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by susweel:

the team is so bad I dont even feel reading this post, thats how bad things have gone.

How do think I feel writing it? I feel ya.

Team has given up.

So have the fans. Even the diehards can see the writing on the wall. No matter how you arrange the letters, it still spells DOOM.

Geep Chryst as an offensive coordinator: 1998 - #26. 1999. #28. 2015 - #32. There is a reason he went 16 years between OC jobs. When you hire bad coaches you get bad results.

Originally posted by sacniner:
Agree on the Chryst point. He isn't a premiere OC, but damn, how do you succeed with this? How much can you simplify an offense in the NFL? WTF is he supposed to do? And no, the head coach can't help him because he doesn't' know s**t.

I see him the same way I see JT. Not all their fault, they're saddled with a tough situation but neither are good and neither is equipped to handle the situation that their in. Chryst didn't start calling plays yesterday. The play calling has been off from day one. He called plays last year too. We need a legitimate, seasoned OC who can adjust on the fly. Look how Denver changed their offense on the fly when Tebow was in the game. Is Chryst developed and seasoned enough to do that? I don't think so.

Great post Marvin. Its so bad that you just have to stop with the expectation that they will win any game and just accept the fact this team is going to eat a bag of dicks every week. Thats not to say you shouldn't watch/root for them or accept that a team should be this bad, but ive accepted the fact that this team will be picking in the top 5 this year and needsa total rebuild. One benefit I see is the large cap number, and the fact that we dont have a lot of massive contracts to hold us back. On to the game.

I really liked what tartt did although he needs to get better at taking angles. thought the secondary anddefense as a whole played farily well, take away that one long run and they were pretty stout. cant expect them to hold up all game long when the offense is going three and out every play and punting within the 10 like 5 or 6 times.


No positives on offense, that side pf the ball needs a ton of work this offseason.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Geep Chryst as an offensive coordinator: 1998 - #26. 1999. #28. 2015 - #32. There is a reason he went 16 years between OC jobs. When you hire bad coaches you get bad results.

That's what I was getting at. How do you give a guy like this the benefit of the doubt?

Originally posted by Jcool:
Geep Chryst as an offensive coordinator: 1998 - #26. 1999. #28. 2015 - #32. There is a reason he went 16 years between OC jobs. When you hire bad coaches you get bad results.

Not that I entirely disagree...

...but it ain't like he's had the parts in any stop of his NFL career.