Are the Yorks putting profits ahead of wanting to win?

I would say yes! Let's see what 2015 has become...

- Sold out the new stadium -
- PSLs and advertising pretty much paid for the entire project (Kawakami had an article on this a while ago)
- season ticket holders are committed to paying for season tickets every year, or they lose their license.
- Yorks are getting nearly 100% of the ticket money every year until season ticket holders are willing to eat the cost of the license (probably takes at leat 3-4 years)
- To add to point above, the stadium is nearly 100% sold for the whole stadium for the whole season
- Concessions are selling, no matter how bad they are, maybe more so when they are bad! Season ticket holders have tickets, then sell tickets on second hand market for cheap, people buy cheap tickets on second hand market and think "hey, I only spent $20 on the tickets, I have more to spend on beer, etc."
- massive profits from events held at Levi, which have included some huge sellout crowds (Taylor Swift, Preseason English Premier League, WWE, etc.)
- Fired coach and replaced with a coach at half the cost
- Have over $10 million in cap space this year
- Entire coaching staff being paid less than all of Harbaugh's staff

They can ride this formula for 5-7 years until attendance gets low, and season ticket holders start to cut their losses. If the owners actually care about the team, they will take care of this in 2016. I do not see that happening.

They are running it like a business like every NFL team does. However, it is not a model that will last forever.

Cheapest coaching staff in the league.

I think its a few things.

First, they dont know wtf they are doing. They dont understand how to run an NFL team outside of making money..which is almost impossible not to do in the NFL.

Second, they THINK they know wtf they are doing. Combined with the first..well you see the results.

Thrid, I dont think they put profits ahead of winning necesarilly, but I think they wanna win as cheaply as possible. Jed thought he was smart enough (see point 2) to see a gem of a HC in tomsula and get him way below market price. I guess he's been watching Baalke spend entire drafts looking for hidden gems he thought he could had one at D Line. Well here we are..

We can win with the Yorks I think..but we're gonna need a president that he really respects enough to listen to when they say back the f**k off. Im assuming this person will have to have Niners ties.

Im not optimistic it will happen...

I heard something about being the first pro sports team in Las Vegas and selling the stadium to the Raiders.

the entire NFL does it

Originally posted by ghostrider:

Nah. Winning is profitable.

IMO, they've put pride ahead of winning.

They are going to be profitable no matter what

And yes, I've officially taken the same stance as the OP. I think JH was hired strictly get the stadium built

Part of me wonders if this is a way to get rid of Kaepernick then spend a lot on players next season kind of like how the Jets kicked out Rex Ryan

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

• Profits not shared to the NFL (concessions,Gear), How do you get those profits ?, Need a good team to get people in the stadium
• Coaches, Harbaugh was the only available coach that was available and worthy of trying to get..the timing of getting a good coach wasn't there since Mooch
• The best way is to build through the Draft, We had great players..but those guys get old. So that means there will be turnover especially if they all leave at once

There is no way to get profit without winning (getting people in that stadium and consume)

b******t. They will net major profit regardless of the teams success...or lack there of

the money in profit is pennies compared the (increasing) value of the organization. you maximize value by putting a winning product on the field.

with a valuation of $2.7 Billion, saving a couple million here and there is insignificant.

the reason we suck is that the front office is stubborn, arrogant, inept and unable to see it.

Directly, I think Dr. John and Denise D York don't have any dogs in the "wanting to win" fight. Just not one of the first fifty things they think about when they wake up in the morning. That will inform all results.

Jed has an obligation to the stewardship of the business empire and probably 90% of what he needs to answer for is off the field. But I think he wants to win. I think he wants a SB Trophy with his fingerprints on it. But just because you had the honor of sitting on Jennifer Montana's lap during a game as a toddler, doesn't mean you'll grow into the right man for the job.

All this fan discussion is just one ongoing match of Rock Paper Scissors.
Nobody wins.
Go Niners.

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

I heard something about being the first pro sports team in Las Vegas and selling the stadium to the Raiders.

Lol. You can disregard that. I live in Vegas and have not heard anything locally here about that. Vegas wants a major sprt team. Nfl,nhl. MLB or NBA but because of the casinos I don't see it happening.

I just think it's inexperience by the Yorks with no true "football mind" to help Jed learn the right way to run an NFL franchise. So there has been learning pains. He has to learn everything the hard way. I don't believe they are cheap and don't believe they are not committed to winning.

Originally posted by ghostrider:
Nah. Winning is profitable.

IMO, they've put pride ahead of winning.

Exactly. Jed York wants to win, but he wants the credit for it. He wants to be his uncle - loved by players, loved by media, winner, respected. He fired Harbaugh because Eddie told him to go with his gut. (Note that this does not mean that Eddie would have fired Harbaugh, but just that Jed's gut was that Harbaugh had become too difficult to work with for a myriad of reasons). He hired Tomsula because of his gut. I imagine it pisses Jed off to no end that his gut is wrong.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Bob, I think you are overthinking this if you think this was a conspiracy or fraudulent intent. I think it was just plain old incompetence of first Dr. John, and then his young son. Think about it. NO skills in this kind of massive adventure, no foundation in "how to". I think they just made one incompetent hire after another....oh, what all those initial guys had in common...they were all DCs or had been mainly D experience. I think they just bumbled along, Jed learning as he went. He was damn young when he got this toy. Now, I believe they want to win and will spare no cost. Losing 9 starters (or was it 10), many of whom were all pro, is just a huge loss and even tho several were injured, I don't think we as fans really thot that thru. No way in hell should we have expected to be great this yr, particularly with an iffy Qb, who, it turns out, is NOT a franchise Qb. I hope either he or gab can be a bridge Qb, but the way kap has been going, he won't be starting much longer.

The product on the field is embarrassing and I believe Jed feels that, maybe not his folks...I dunno. I think he wants the best he can get. We need 10 starters, maybe 11, and that is a tall order. Between IR and guys hanging it up , or just leaving like AD, this has been a massive shift from gifted to sadly in need type of team. Realistically, we are not a playoff team in 2016 either. Too many major holes. I hope we get it all started this yr but see 2017 as our legit yr to return to playoffs. Meantime, wholesale coaching will change and not until Jed realizes that the HC has to be an OC will we be on the right track. So , no, I don't think this was a conspiracy or attempt to dupe us.

While I agree with you that there was no conspiracy, I do agree with BobS that York places profits over winning. I seriously doubt that, even if York hires an offensive minded HC, it will not be a top-tier coach. It will be from the cheaper 2nd and 3rd tier coaches with a palatable personality to York. Plus, top coaches attract top coaching staffs, coordinators, and position coaches. This is particularly why I think we couldn't attract a good coaching staff, why many coordinators refused to come here, and we're witnessing the awful results.

It all starts at the top. And what we have at the top are cheap, petulant rich children. We're gonna be in the dark-ages for a while. The Yorks need to sell the team to owners who actually places winning over their pockets and having staff full of capitulating yes men.