Originally posted by TheXFactor:Manning? Lol..
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by niners94:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I asked 20 pages back, "Is Lynch just about ready to become a star passrusher, or is he destined to be there just a millisecond too late? Your thots?
Eli releases the ball quickly. He got Rodgers twice last week.
If Brooks was playing Lynch would have had a couple sacks and/or Eli would have missed some throws due to more pressure.
Lynch caused the pressure on that one gift of a throw to Brock who effed it up because he stumbled.
This, Brooks was a much bigger loss than most realized. Eli tried hard but he's just too physically weak right now. Brooks would have been huge for us and esp. Lynch.
I actually thought Eli looked pretty good
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Oct 12, 2015 at 8:53 AM
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Oct 12, 2015 at 2:19 PM
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Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Look at the bengals. They have had ups and downs, but they didn't fire their entire coaching staff. They gave them time to fix things and improve, and they are looking pretty good. We didn't need to fire harbaugh after one 8-8 season. Jesus Christ.......
They also have gotten along throughout most of that process.
Oct 12, 2015 at 2:23 PM
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by CityKing415:
Whoever supported the move away from Harbaugh is now eating crow. Will go down as the dumbest move in sports history.
I still say it was a situation that could only have got worse, and Harbaugh would not have had the same success at SF ever again. Too much friction with the front office. And even if this season was less problematic with Harbaugh - no guarantee since Harbaugh would not have prevented Willis/Boreland/Davis/Aldon/etc. situations - I stand by it being a downward spiral that could not be reversed. So, on that sense, better to bottom out right now than have a slow leak over the next five years.
Maybe if you go back to the 2013 NFCCG and pull out a victory it never gets to what occurred in 2014. But once 2014 happened it was a divorce in the future, no way around it.
Now, I like Tomsula, and I wanted him to succeed, but he's been dealt the worst hand any rookie coach has ever received. And THAT more than anything is why his hiring was, to quote my immediate reaction, "deflating". Gruden, Shanahan, Holmgren or any other rehash coach could have weathered the bad PR storm if only because they had won before. Gase could have handled the PR storm because he had the "guru" stigma, whether that was true or not. You have the EXACT SAME first five games of the season under any of those guys and you'd have disappointed fans, but not "we're doomed for eternity" fans.
And THAT - more than anything - is the raw deal Tomsula will get. Because fans like to be coddled into trusting coaches. They like coaches to lie to them and tell them what they want to hear, no matter if its true or not ("We will run the West Coast Offense" - Harbaugh lie right off the bat, and yet very few dare to call him on it because he got Ws with Schemblechler offense anyway). And Tomsula doesn't inspire the fanbase, and in todays world that matters more than anything, because first impressions are everything, and you don't get the luxury of going 2-14 like Walsh did if you can't pull off the charisma and inspire optimism during a 2-14 season like a Walsh or a Jimmy Johnson did.
I gotta disagree with a rookie HC having been dealt a bad hand. I'm not sure if you remember the Dennis Erickson situation, he had far less talent to work with in 2003, then in 2004 Donahue dismantled the team even more WITHOUT any salary cap room.
People can feel sorry for Tomsula all they want but at least this team is in good shape salary cap wise with 10 times more talent than what Erickson EVER had.
True. Erickson got royally screwed in 2004, too. And Tomsula will have another offseason to redirect this team with a far more competent GM, so he has that going for him. Still a rough deal, though.
Oct 12, 2015 at 2:28 PM
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Originally posted by Baldie:
Originally posted by CityKing415:
Cant help but wonder if the front office played a role in Patrick Willis' decision to hang em up.
I believe the next regime had a part of him retiring earlier than expected. He was smart to do it. Justin too. Hell, as great as Bowman is, he's not the same person after the injury. I would not be surprised either if he decides to retire after this season. Being a vet, its hard to want to stay with an unknown team knowing your probably not gonna make the playoffs that season.
Nobody RETIRES because they won't make the playoffs. If anything they'll seek a release/trade.
Oct 12, 2015 at 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Dsoto87:Maybe, maybe not.
Originally posted by CityKing415:Hiring Tomsula may have been the wrong decision but getting rid of Harbaugh was not. There's a reason he's at the college ranks right now.
Whoever supported the move away from Harbaugh is now eating crow. Will go down as the dumbest move in sports history.
I think sports history (particularly the history of championship teams) is full of stories of intense conflicts of personality that people tough out. People who can't stand each other find ways to get through it in order to keep being successful.
Bottom line, if you're the owner of a team that's that successful, you don't fire your coach for anything less than criminal behavior.
Oct 12, 2015 at 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by CityKing415:
Whoever supported the move away from Harbaugh is now eating crow. Will go down as the dumbest move in sports history.
I still say it was a situation that could only have got worse, and Harbaugh would not have had the same success at SF ever again. Too much friction with the front office. And even if this season was less problematic with Harbaugh - no guarantee since Harbaugh would not have prevented Willis/Boreland/Davis/Aldon/etc. situations - I stand by it being a downward spiral that could not be reversed. So, on that sense, better to bottom out right now than have a slow leak over the next five years.
Maybe if you go back to the 2013 NFCCG and pull out a victory it never gets to what occurred in 2014. But once 2014 happened it was a divorce in the future, no way around it.
Now, I like Tomsula, and I wanted him to succeed, but he's been dealt the worst hand any rookie coach has ever received. And THAT more than anything is why his hiring was, to quote my immediate reaction, "deflating". Gruden, Shanahan, Holmgren or any other rehash coach could have weathered the bad PR storm if only because they had won before. Gase could have handled the PR storm because he had the "guru" stigma, whether that was true or not. You have the EXACT SAME first five games of the season under any of those guys and you'd have disappointed fans, but not "we're doomed for eternity" fans.
And THAT - more than anything - is the raw deal Tomsula will get. Because fans like to be coddled into trusting coaches. They like coaches to lie to them and tell them what they want to hear, no matter if its true or not ("We will run the West Coast Offense" - Harbaugh lie right off the bat, and yet very few dare to call him on it because he got Ws with Schemblechler offense anyway). And Tomsula doesn't inspire the fanbase, and in todays world that matters more than anything, because first impressions are everything, and you don't get the luxury of going 2-14 like Walsh did if you can't pull off the charisma and inspire optimism during a 2-14 season like a Walsh or a Jimmy Johnson did.
I gotta disagree with a rookie HC having been dealt a bad hand. I'm not sure if you remember the Dennis Erickson situation, he had far less talent to work with in 2003, then in 2004 Donahue dismantled the team even more WITHOUT any salary cap room.
People can feel sorry for Tomsula all they want but at least this team is in good shape salary cap wise with 10 times more talent than what Erickson EVER had.
True. Erickson got royally screwed in 2004, too. And Tomsula will have another offseason to redirect this team with a far more competent GM, so he has that going for him. Still a rough deal, though.
Erickson was terrible and his time as head coach of the 9ers was farce. Like the Tomsula hire, the Yorks plopped a perfectly nice but totally bargain bin fall guy into the middle of a $4!t pile of their own creation. That Mooch team was the last successful run the 9ers had put together before Harbaugh. And they blew up that for their own petty and senseless reasons also.
Anyone who thinks this is different ownership group just because they put their son in the big office is crazy. It's owned by the York family and that family just can't get out of it's own way.
This is starting to feel Chris Cohan level frustrating...