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Week 3 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game...
Sep 28, 2015 at 8:51 AM
- Niners418
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The beauty of it being week 4 now is that if somehow we can right the ship and steal a win Sunday we're right in this.
Sep 28, 2015 at 8:52 AM
- Joecool
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Damn, fellas. We are not just bad. We don't know what we are doing out there. The most upsetting thing for me was when down by 14, our coach looked confused and it didn't seem like the staff was able to settle the game down.
[ Edited by Joecool on Sep 28, 2015 at 8:53 AM ]
Sep 28, 2015 at 8:53 AM
- Cjez
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Originally posted by Niners418:
The beauty of it being week 4 now is that if somehow we can right the ship and steal a win Sunday we're right in this.
or, take another major ass whoopin and plummet even further into the depths of the nfl s**t hole. Which is may more likely.
Sep 28, 2015 at 8:53 AM
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Originally posted by elguapo:
No disrespect taken I just thought most of you would know how bad GB defense is and they are without their best weapon on offense. Kap can run all over them if he wants to revert back to it and boldin and the wrs should have little problem getting open. The ol is the worst line in football by a landslide so I hope we change centers rgs or rts this dam week. s**t!
I hope you're right! For my sanity and the sanity of the Zone!
Sep 28, 2015 at 8:54 AM
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It comes down to 1 thing, and Tony Siragusa pointed it out. Kaepernick was trying to be a pocket passer (after saying the team allowing him to be himself.) He is not a pocket passer that sees the whole field and throws people open. He is a qb who can temporarily freeze defenses with the read option and he can roll right or left and read that side of the field only.
Go with what the team is, a read option team if he attempts to sit in the pocket with the make shift OL every game will be like this.
Go with what the team is, a read option team if he attempts to sit in the pocket with the make shift OL every game will be like this.
Sep 28, 2015 at 8:54 AM
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Damn, fellas. We are not just bad. We don't know what we are doing out there. The most upsetting thing for me was when down by 14, our coach looked confused and it didn't seem like the staff was able to settle the game down.
lol, that's putting it lightly. Our HC, OC and DC are all retarded. But hey, there's a new kid on the block that has major HC potential. Our QB coach was a radio DJ before being hired on. Now that's scouting.
Sep 28, 2015 at 8:55 AM
- cortana49
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Damn, fellas. We are not just bad. We don't know what we are doing out there. The most upsetting thing for me was when down by 14, our coach looked confused and it didn't seem like the staff was able to settle the game down.
This. I don't think they have any idea how to compete. I can ONLY hope ... I don't know, this just feels like 2003 all over again.
Sep 28, 2015 at 8:56 AM
- cortana49
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Originally posted by 9erred:
It comes down to 1 thing, and Tony Siragusa pointed it out. Kaepernick was trying to be a pocket passer (after saying the team allowing him to be himself.) He is not a pocket passer that sees the whole field and throws people open. He is a qb who can temporarily freeze defenses with the read option and he can roll right or left and read that side of the field only.
Go with what the team is, a read option team if he attempts to sit in the pocket with the make shift OL every game will be like this.
Great points.
Sep 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM
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Originally posted by 9erred:
It comes down to 1 thing, and Tony Siragusa pointed it out. Kaepernick was trying to be a pocket passer (after saying the team allowing him to be himself.) He is not a pocket passer that sees the whole field and throws people open. He is a qb who can temporarily freeze defenses with the read option and he can roll right or left and read that side of the field only.
Go with what the team is, a read option team if he attempts to sit in the pocket with the make shift OL every game will be like this.
I think that was one of my biggest takeaways. He was trying too hard to be what he wasn't. It actually looked really good in the first two weeks, but it backfired badly in Arizona.
Does this just mean he's a work in progress and needs to learn when to be a QB and when to be an athlete? Does it mean that he's just never going to get it?
Dunno.
I do know that Warner spoke quite a bit about that prior to the season. He said the biggest challenge was to know when to be one or the other. He can't teach that. Kap has to figure it out on his own. Sometimes it'll be ugly. Sometimes it won't.
Yesterday though he seemed to be stuck in the middle so was ineffective in both regards. Stayed in as a passer but delayed and threw late or stayed in too long before he could escape the rush with his legs.
Sep 28, 2015 at 9:06 AM
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Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by 9erred:It comes down to 1 thing, and Tony Siragusa pointed it out. Kaepernick was trying to be a pocket passer (after saying the team allowing him to be himself.) He is not a pocket passer that sees the whole field and throws people open. He is a qb who can temporarily freeze defenses with the read option and he can roll right or left and read that side of the field only.
Go with what the team is, a read option team if he attempts to sit in the pocket with the make shift OL every game will be like this.
I think that was one of my biggest takeaways. He was trying too hard to be what he wasn't. It actually looked really good in the first two weeks, but it backfired badly in Arizona.
Does this just mean he's a work in progress and needs to learn when to be a QB and when to be an athlete? Does it mean that he's just never going to get it?
Dunno.
I do know that Warner spoke quite a bit about that prior to the season. He said the biggest challenge was to know when to be one or the other. He can't teach that. Kap has to figure it out on his own. Sometimes it'll be ugly. Sometimes it won't.
Yesterday though he seemed to be stuck in the middle so was ineffective in both regards. Stayed in as a passer but delayed and threw late or stayed in too long before he could escape the rush with his legs.
He just needs to say f**k it and do what he does. When he's done that in the past ( playoffs) hes a force to be reckoned with.
Sep 28, 2015 at 9:09 AM
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Well done, Marvin. The O needs competent play calling, game planning, QB play , OL blocking for pass pro AND for the run. We have none of the above at present. Kap is in a fog, as in he is lost. I agree he should sit the pine a few weeks, look at the game from the bench, not a participant. Hopefully he may see something there.
Worse news is the D, D game plan, play calling and unfortunately, player talent. We seem to be lacking across the board. So our OC and DC are failing, and the guy in charge...well coach T may be in over his head in a mess not of his own making. What we need right now is a Bellichek like HC to sort out, organize and get us somewhat back on the rails. Altho I didn't care for him after the first yr, harbaw WAS a very good organizer. That is JT's job right now, and superficially, I would say he does not get passing marks. Work on building the OL and do so now, with what we have. There are 4 guys who need to be heads and shoulders above the rest. Right now we got staley and that's it. Also, besides working on the OL and DL, (ok DBs too), what else can we do. The QBs....we are just stuck wth both. But I would sit Kap for a couple weeks to see if he can get his head together.
Worse news is the D, D game plan, play calling and unfortunately, player talent. We seem to be lacking across the board. So our OC and DC are failing, and the guy in charge...well coach T may be in over his head in a mess not of his own making. What we need right now is a Bellichek like HC to sort out, organize and get us somewhat back on the rails. Altho I didn't care for him after the first yr, harbaw WAS a very good organizer. That is JT's job right now, and superficially, I would say he does not get passing marks. Work on building the OL and do so now, with what we have. There are 4 guys who need to be heads and shoulders above the rest. Right now we got staley and that's it. Also, besides working on the OL and DL, (ok DBs too), what else can we do. The QBs....we are just stuck wth both. But I would sit Kap for a couple weeks to see if he can get his head together.
Sep 28, 2015 at 9:20 AM
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Disaster from top to bottom . Our beloved organization has collapsed . Clearly letting Harbaugh go was a mistake as i wrote long ago . Tomsula stood on the sideline during our latest beating and looked like he was lost in thought about whether or not he turned off the coffee brewer when he left that morning .He's a def line coach period and it showed . Front office is to blame for letting the best coach we've had since walsh walk out the door .Our co-ordinators are out matched and their game plans are simple minded and fooling noone . Front office is to blame for that as well . Losing so many guys wasn't front office's fault . but not finding suitable players to plug in those holes ... well that was . Devey and pears are back ups period and have no place on a starting unit . Not signing Mathis ....or finding someone of quality to fill those spots is front office . Losing 2 corners and not drafting a ball hawk .... front office . Drafting armstead as a developmental pick with so many glaring needs is front office . When you lose as many vets as we did maybe we should have re-signed afew of our own to help guide the youngsters for 1 more year , crabtree with gore and aldon sounds pretty good to me right now .Front office mistakes have destroyed our team .i screamed bloody murder at all these moves and knew we were gonna be crap this year and to all who argued ... i told you so . I hope we loose every game this year just so we can draft afew quality players next year , but if we keep the clowns we got in management now .... were doomed . Tomsula needs to be fired and replaced immediately .
Sep 28, 2015 at 9:23 AM
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Originally posted by Marvin49:I think that was one of my biggest takeaways. He was trying too hard to be what he wasn't. It actually looked really good in the first two weeks, but it backfired badly in Arizona.
Does this just mean he's a work in progress and needs to learn when to be a QB and when to be an athlete? Does it mean that he's just never going to get it?
Dunno.
I do know that Warner spoke quite a bit about that prior to the season. He said the biggest challenge was to know when to be one or the other. He can't teach that. Kap has to figure it out on his own. Sometimes it'll be ugly. Sometimes it won't.
Yesterday though he seemed to be stuck in the middle so was ineffective in both regards. Stayed in as a passer but delayed and threw late or stayed in too long before he could escape the rush with his legs.
That is the biggest challenge to an athletic QB. Figuring out when to red light the first couple of reads and take off. I think it's pretty obvious kap was shell shocked yesterday. As you said it's just looks like he wasn't believing what's he was seeing out there yesterday. Now I will also say this, Arizona's secondary looks really, really fast to me and thinks it's gonna play out that they might be the best secondary in the league.
This GB game is pivotal for kap. I'm eager to see how he responds. Now, I think we are gonna give up 35+ points so i doubt we win it. But I want to see how Kap operates, can he put the zona debacle away and just play or does he let it derail his career. I really think it can go either way at this point. My hope is since it's a home game plays well and moves the ball.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Sep 28, 2015 at 9:24 AM ]
Sep 28, 2015 at 9:28 AM
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Originally posted by cortana49:Originally posted by Joecool:Damn, fellas. We are not just bad. We don't know what we are doing out there. The most upsetting thing for me was when down by 14, our coach looked confused and it didn't seem like the staff was able to settle the game down.
This. I don't think they have any idea how to compete. I can ONLY hope ... I don't know, this just feels like 2003 all over again.
The pass coverage has me having 1999 flashbacks...watching Darnell Walker and RW McQuarters getting chewed weekly. It's gonna be bombs away every week til they show they can slow it down.
Sep 28, 2015 at 9:35 AM
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Interesting comments from the Arizona DB that came up with 2 interceptions. He said that the 49er passing game has been reduced so much that it is easy to predict routes.
Looks like history repeating itself, the last time Chryst was an OC he had Ryan Leaf as a QB, now he has Kap playing like Ryan Leaf.
Looks like history repeating itself, the last time Chryst was an OC he had Ryan Leaf as a QB, now he has Kap playing like Ryan Leaf.