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AZ9erfan520
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Originally posted by Rascal:
We are bad in the red zone because of Kap :
1) He can't (or let's just say not very good) read defense
2) He is not good in throwing fades when he has to put a lot of air under the ball to arc it perfectly
3) His progression read is just too slow to get the ball......
There were two fade routes that stick in my mind and. both were thrown in the fourth quarter if I remember correctly. Kap had tremendous pressure on both of them and they both looked to me like they were throw aways.
When he has had time this season he has gone through his progressions just fine. Even when he has had to scramble he has done a great job of keeping his eyes down field. Seems to me like a lot of peeps are.still criticizing kaps play last season. Anyone who has paid attention to his play this year can see a noticeable improvement in nearly every facet of his game.
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jcashen87
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Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:
Originally posted by Rascal:
We are bad in the red zone because of Kap :
1) He can't (or let's just say not very good) read defense
2) He is not good in throwing fades when he has to put a lot of air under the ball to arc it perfectly
3) His progression read is just too slow to get the ball......
There were two fade routes that stick in my mind and. both were thrown in the fourth quarter if I remember correctly. Kap had tremendous pressure on both of them and they both looked to me like they were throw aways.
When he has had time this season he has gone through his progressions just fine. Even when he has had to scramble he has done a great job of keeping his eyes down field. Seems to me like a lot of peeps are.still criticizing kaps play last season. Anyone who has paid attention to his play this year can see a noticeable improvement in nearly every facet of his game.
I was really glad to see a nice completed fade to Torrey on the 2 point conversion. Torrey high pointed that ball and did what Crabs wouldn't
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VinculumJuris
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I see a lot of teams rolling their QBs out on extended bootlegs with layers of receiving options running crossing patterns in the end zone, and I think it's an extremely effective play when defenses bring pressure (which seems like almost every snap against SF, especially in the red zone). We struggle with this for (at least) two reasons: 1 - Kap is often shadowed by a spy as he rolls out, making the windows narrower and the reads harder, and 2 - our OL has a hard time pass protecting without committing a holding penalty in these situations.
Gotta figure something out...maybe work in some misdirection in the passing game? Have Kap roll out to one side and leave an RB in pass protection on the backside with a delayed release into the flat on the other side of the field?
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SoCold
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6 plays inside the 10 yard line on one drive
4 to rookie Mike Davis
1 to rookie Bell
1 dropped TD to Bruce
wow
glad we have VD, Boldin and T. Smith
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pasodoc9er
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How to fix the Red zone Blues:
Our playcalls for RZ are inadequate for today's NFL. Here's how i would fix it:
1 Work on RZ like a pro golfer works on putts. Go back 2 feet from the hole and keep putting until you put every ball in the hole. For us, put ball at 2 yd line and run plays until we can score on that play every time we run it(exactly like Pitts did). Then when we get the plays worked out that allows us to score every timie from 2 yds out, move back to 4 yds ...and do it all over. Kap and the OL and receivers have to become comfortable running that play before you move back another 2 yds.... and i would spend entire days, just working on scoring from the short distances(just like Pitts).
2. Continue working on RZ plays, getting everyone right (ie a score) and then move back another 2-4 yrds until you are at the 20 yd line. Again repeat the above so that we score every time in practice and kap feels like he is confident scoring from anywhere inside the 20. It looks like we have not spent much time if any on inside the RZ, yet you know we have. What we obviously have not done is run plays in practice inside the 20 where kap feels like rothlisberger...he can score on every one. Run quick hitting pass plays that are gone without kap taking a step...ie they are gone in just under 1 second. Do that awhile in practice adn repeat daily, and soon, we will look like we can score everytime in the RZ. As of right now nobody on the team thinks that, and that includes Geeep and JT...Try the above and I bet it helps.
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thl408
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Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I see a lot of teams rolling their QBs out on extended bootlegs with layers of receiving options running crossing patterns in the end zone, and I think it's an extremely effective play when defenses bring pressure (which seems like almost every snap against SF, especially in the red zone). We struggle with this for (at least) two reasons: 1 - Kap is often shadowed by a spy as he rolls out, making the windows narrower and the reads harder, and 2 - our OL has a hard time pass protecting without committing a holding penalty in these situations.
Gotta figure something out...maybe work in some misdirection in the passing game? Have Kap roll out to one side and leave an RB in pass protection on the backside with a delayed release into the flat on the other side of the field?
I would be open to this type of misdirection/trickery. Use Kap's arm to throw across the field away from the flow of the play. So far I've seen the 49ers try two wheel routes in the red zone. It's obvious to me they practice this type of play. Sooner or later I hope they hit it because both have been overthrows into tight windows.
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9ers4eva
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Originally posted by Chief:
When Alex Smith was our QB we had one of the best redzone percentages in the NFL for a couple of years.
Not under Harbaugh we didn't.
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SoCold
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Week 1
3rd Dn 5/12 - 41%
Red Z 2/5 - 40%
Week 2
3rd Dn 7/17 - 41%
Red Z 1/4 - 25%
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sincalfaithful
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lining up in the same formation 4 straight times is usually a recipe for success
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jimrat
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I call it the Dead zone offense
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Ronnie49Lott
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Originally posted by SoCold:
6 plays inside the 10 yard line on one drive
4 to rookie Mike Davis
1 to rookie Bell
1 dropped TD to Bruce
wow
glad we have VD, Boldin and T. Smith
I would say they outsmarted themselves but that would imply they were smart to begin with.
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DonnieDarko
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I like Kap a lot but he's just terrible in the redzone, and Bruce Miller dropping a TD doesn't help either.
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SoCold
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Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Originally posted by SoCold:
6 plays inside the 10 yard line on one drive
4 to rookie Mike Davis
1 to rookie Bell
1 dropped TD to Bruce
wow
glad we have VD, Boldin and T. Smith
I would say they outsmarted themselves but that would imply they were smart to begin with.
lol
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brodiebluebanaszak
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Looking at the drive charts, our red zone offense appeared way below par. No difference from Harbs.
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SoCold
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Looking at the drive charts, our red zone offense appeared way below par. No difference from Harbs.
you do know the QB coach that was in charge of the RZ plays last year is the OC right now right?