Deja Vu...2014 all over again...Yogi Berra

That is exactly what Yogi would have said. Fri and Sat, there were at least 3 elite teams with the BIG RUSH on display....SEA, SD, and Denver, and there are a number of others. So the BIG RUSH is NOT something we will just see once or twice this yr.

The 4 Suspects of deja vu 2014:

1. OL...Ok, Denver is elite with a BIG RUSH, the thing that just killed us last yr. Guys were coming around both ends of the OL like water around rocks in a river. And it wasn't just R side of OL, it was both. Last yr harbaw didn't realize this, but JT and staff do...but couldn't change the outcome. Yes, we dearly miss AD, way more than anyone thot we would. We have one starter out. True JT was trying to work everybody on OL to see who goes, who stays. But truth is , we are a woefully short of talent on this OL. Pears, Devey , Martin, Looney...nobody looked good. Some is due to not having good complimentary OL guys, but nobody looked good. Looks like we will be drafting OL with our first pick each of next 3 yrs...or should be. No more taking a mid round OL and thinking you are going to coach him up. We need first rounders....and 3 of them unfortunately

2. Opponents DL...there were 3 super Elite teams on display F & S, with the BIG RUSH. There are also more elites out there with BIG RUSH. If we don't get a better handle on this, our season is over before it starts. Point is , figure the RUSH from last nite to be the norm, not the exception. And Von Miller just killed us.

3. Kap...unh, oh. Sure looked reminiscent of last yr, and where did that experience with Kurt Warner go? He once again held the ball too long, was not seeing his receivers, and was taking sacks and hits instead of throwing ball away. It is obvious that kap needs way more time in PS...ie get him more snaps, and sooner than PS Game #3. HIs two long runs were spectacular...but his passing looked like last half of last yr. It appears he just can't get the ball gone in the 1.9 seconds he had. I still wonder if he understands ball has to come out immediately against the elites BIG RUSH. Sure doesn't look like it. It wasn't all on him tho due to ....

4. Coaching... Ok, harbaw is gone, along with his no O. We do not have enough talent on OL to protect kap. This game looked like an extension of last yr, but with different coaches. If kap takes a 5 or 3 step drop and the D is on him immediately, then Geep and JT should have been throwing quick hitters...as in bang, bang, ball is gone. And where were the release valves we were told we would see?. When kap gets nailed within 2 seconds after receiving the snap, then the ball has to come out with 1 step...or no steps. Snap it, receive it, pass it. We saw none of that. It is so simple. Ball has to be gone before BIG RUSH gets him. Zero steppers, and release valves out of backfield, or 1 step shots to WR, TE, or RB. 1.9 seconds is what Eli says is necessary to beat the BIG RUSH. That is what kap had last nite. So our quick hitters have to be done in under 1.9 seconds. Our OL just could not give kap any time. Beat that with coaching. Have ball gone before 1.9 seconds. And don't count on this OL to get kap any more than under 2 seconds protection. Coaching laid an egg in not calling for 1 steppers, or better, zero steppers. That implies that every receiver must be looking for the ball the moment the ball is snapped. We saw none of that. But put this shortcoming at feet of coaching.

For the record, we would have looked a lot better, esp Kap, if we had not had such bad field position ...and wth Hayne playing, that would not have been the case. So lay some of this at feet of a PS game, where JT is trying to figure who to keep, and who goes.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
That is exactly what Yogi would have said. Fri and Sat, there were at least 3 elite teams with the BIG RUSH on display....SEA, SD, and Denver, and there are a number of others. So the BIG RUSH is NOT something we will just see once or twice this yr.

The 4 Suspects of deja vu 2014:

1. OL...Ok, Denver is elite with a BIG RUSH, the thing that just killed us last yr. Guys were coming around both ends of the OL like water around rocks in a river. And it wasn't just R side of OL, it was both. Last yr harbaw didn't realize this, but JT and staff do...but couldn't change the outcome. Yes, we dearly miss AD, way more than anyone thot we would. We have one starter out. True JT was trying to work everybody on OL to see who goes, who stays. But truth is , we are a woefully short of talent on this OL. Pears, Devey , Martin, Looney...nobody looked good. Some is due to not having good complimentary OL guys, but nobody looked good. Looks like we will be drafting OL with our first pick each of next 3 yrs...or should be. No more taking a mid round OL and thinking you are going to coach him up. We need first rounders....and 3 of them unfortunately

2. Opponents DL...there were 3 super Elite teams on display F & S, with the BIG RUSH. There are also more elites out there with BIG RUSH. If we don't get a better handle on this, our season is over before it starts. Point is , figure the RUSH from last nite to be the norm, not the exception. And Von Miller just killed us.

3. Kap...unh, oh. Sure looked reminiscent of last yr, and where did that experience with Kurt Warner go? He once again held the ball too long, was not seeing his receivers, and was taking sacks and hits instead of throwing ball away. It is obvious that kap needs way more time in PS...ie get him more snaps, and sooner than PS Game #3. HIs two long runs were spectacular...but his passing looked like last half of last yr. It appears he just can't get the ball gone in the 1.9 seconds he had. I still wonder if he understands ball has to come out immediately against the elites BIG RUSH. Sure doesn't look like it. It wasn't all on him tho due to ....

4. Coaching... Ok, harbaw is gone, along with his no O. We do not have enough talent on OL to protect kap. This game looked like an extension of last yr, but with different coaches. If kap takes a 5 or 3 step drop and the D is on him immediately, then Geep and JT should have been throwing quick hitters...as in bang, bang, ball is gone. And where were the release valves we were told we would see?. When kap gets nailed within 2 seconds after receiving the snap, then the ball has to come out with 1 step...or no steps. Snap it, receive it, pass it. We saw none of that. It is so simple. Ball has to be gone before BIG RUSH gets him. Zero steppers, and release valves out of backfield, or 1 step shots to WR, TE, or RB. 1.9 seconds is what Eli says is necessary to beat the BIG RUSH. That is what kap had last nite. So our quick hitters have to be done in under 1.9 seconds. Our OL just could not give kap any time. Beat that with coaching. Have ball gone before 1.9 seconds. And don't count on this OL to get kap any more than under 2 seconds protection. Coaching laid an egg in not calling for 1 steppers, or better, zero steppers. That implies that every receiver must be looking for the ball the moment the ball is snapped. We saw none of that. But put this shortcoming at feet of coaching.

Very good post!

Completely agree on #1.

We need to get first round OLine talent in the up coming drafts.

Baalke's drafting 2 OLine in the first was excellent since it was for building the type of Offense we were doing at the time.

He needs to do the same for our new offense.

well one thing that i notice from our DL rush is that they didn't try to penetrate through OL like the games before. They Stood there and held their guys straight up with not even trying to push their guys back in the first half. was weird

Unfortunately, Wally, everybody wants that starting OL guy, so getting a good one in round one will be tough. But right now trent has 12 picks in 2016, and I sure wish instead of taking all 13 or 15 picks he lines up, he would swap up into rd 1, so we can get that OL we need so badly. And he needs to do that 3 times....or someone currently on squad needs to show up with a superman cape and turn into a rd 1 talent. I don't see that happening tho. We have to find somebody this yr or kap never makes it thru the season uninjured. Same would happen to blaine, too.

Dallas has extra good OL guys and no RB. There is a good match for Hunter, in exchange for an OL.

How the hell did we expect a head coach with no offense experience and very little head coaching experience and no coordinating experience to fix the offense.

Then we group him with an inexperienced offensive coordinator who hasn't done it in a decade and was belowaverage the two years he did do it.

And our top 5 GM though this was a good idea? Thiught this was going to work?

Our offense is in the hands of Geep and thats pretty much it.

This is going to be UGLY.

So firing harbaugh didn't fix the offense ?

Young, no way to sugar coat what you are saying, but remember, JT was still trying to settle on 53 guys, and there were a lot of plays out there where that hurt us...eg, Reggie fielding punts instead of hayne, who would have had us at 27 yd line, not the 3 yd line. So even tho it looked awful, still we have to cut coaches some slack because of needing to rate guys for the final squad. I don't think we would have looked THAT bad, had JT not needed to try out guys still competing for the squad. Like I said, next 3 yrs are going to be OL for our 1st rd pick and we probably will need to trade up. Speaking of trent, he needs to swap out some of those 12 picks in 2016, with more on the way, in exchange for getting a better slot in draft so we can start nailing top round OL guys. OL weakness is horrible.

Not yet Sus, but at least JT knows that we had no O and is working on it. That isn't what we will see with our starting OL guys, whoever the heck they end up being. And with AD's retirement, we got immensely worse...immediately.

That's a good one tho, Sus, and I deserved it.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not yet Sus, but at least JT knows that we had no O and is working on it. That isn't what we will see with our starting OL guys, whoever the heck they end up being. And with AD's retirement, we got immensely worse...immediately.

That's a good one tho, Sus, and I deserved it.

Unless baalke makes miracle roster moves it don't look good. I hope so though because that oline is awful.

Originally posted by susweel:
So firing harbaugh didn't fix the offense ?

hard to say, its not regular season yet

I think this game was just one of the many bump and bruises we will have to endure.

Kap and RBs will need a lot of ice this year.

Hopefully Bowman can hold us down on the defensive side.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I think this game was just one of the many bump and bruises we will have to endure.

Kap and RBs will need a lot of ice this year.

Hopefully Bowman can hold us down on the defensive side.

He's the only dude that showed some passion. Him, Bethea and Reid are the only ones who are play makers at this point. Everyone else needs to step the heck up because the offense is going to be trash.

Meh, another b***hing thread.

You are aware that this is preseason yeah?