Originally posted by verb1der:you know, if you jumped in that hole with your screwball speculations, you would not be mourned
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Just because we still have players doesn't mean we're going to remain the same. You guys are grossly undervaluing coaching. I mean if anyone should know this it's Niner fans, because we've seen first hand the difference coaching makes, remember going from Singletary to Harbaugh!? Same roster, major difference.
in the meantime you are burying our coaches and players without even giving them a chance. i guess that is the realistic way to look at things
it's better to bury them now than later!
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Apr 27, 2015 at 10:22 AM
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Apr 27, 2015 at 10:26 AM
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NCCommand & cciowa logic states that we have better coaches this year, and since all the injured players will magically be 110% healed (100% healed AND 10% better than ever) this team should be no less then top 5. With the better coaching from Mangini & all the wonderful talent Baalke can find, of course the expectations should be no less then top 3 in order to make the drama worth going through.
Apr 27, 2015 at 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by REB4:
NCCommand & cciowa logic states that we have better coaches this year, and since all the injured players will magically be 110% healed (100% healed AND 10% better than ever) this team should be no less then top 5. With the better coaching from Mangini & all the wonderful talent Baalke can find, of course the expectations should be no less then top 3 in order to make the drama worth going through.
where did i say 110%? i said,, the guys who are hurt are back which is a plus, the guys who were thrust into a starting role like lynch are a year smarter, in regards to coaching, i said new ideas and new energy from coaches. I do not know about the coaches we have till i see them in action, thus the open mind and optimism which is unlawful to people like you,,, I do think we have a secondary coach who is just a good as the good one we lost last year... but if you want to keep putting words in peoples mouths,, knock yourself out kid... oh by the way,,,, it is the precise LACK of drama on our team as compared to last year is another big intangible which is a plus for our team in my opinion
Apr 27, 2015 at 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by REB4:
NCCommand & cciowa logic states that we have better coaches this year, and since all the injured players will magically be 110% healed (100% healed AND 10% better than ever) this team should be no less then top 5. With the better coaching from Mangini & all the wonderful talent Baalke can find, of course the expectations should be no less then top 3 in order to make the drama worth going through.
Reb4 will tolerate, but mock optimism. Fricking heavy!
Apr 27, 2015 at 11:21 AM
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with Justin Smith playing all year, I expect us to be between 5 to 10...
without him, I still think that we are good enough to be between 10 to 15..
without him, I still think that we are good enough to be between 10 to 15..
Apr 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM
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Top 3
Apr 27, 2015 at 12:47 PM
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I would be shocked if we were top 5. Realistically I'm thinking top 10-15.
Apr 27, 2015 at 12:50 PM
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To early to tell...Justin and Bowman being in the line up and back to form is such a huge pendulum to swing and we don't really know where that is at for sure yet.
We have them I say lower end of the top 5 is attainable. Without we struggle to stay in top ten.
We have them I say lower end of the top 5 is attainable. Without we struggle to stay in top ten.
Apr 27, 2015 at 2:20 PM
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Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by ayetee:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Just because we still have players doesn't mean we're going to remain the same. You guys are grossly undervaluing coaching. I mean if anyone should know this it's Niner fans, because we've seen first hand the difference coaching makes, remember going from Singletary to Harbaugh!? Same roster, major difference.
I agree coaching is extremely important but when we went 8-8 with the kind of PATHETIC coaching we had last season, I can't help but feel good about this year.
I wouldn't even pay attention to last season, it really has no meaning to me. There was all that drama so the coaching gets a pass, imo.
However, whenever there's no drama, Harbaugh WINS!
Why don't you just pay attention to the games Harbaugh won since he came here. He is then 44-0. Wow!!
Apr 27, 2015 at 2:23 PM
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Originally posted by verb1der:
it's better to bury them now than later!
Outstanding! Let me paraphrase you: SHOOT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER!
Apr 27, 2015 at 3:06 PM
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by REB4:
NCCommand & cciowa logic states that we have better coaches this year, and since all the injured players will magically be 110% healed (100% healed AND 10% better than ever) this team should be no less then top 5. With the better coaching from Mangini & all the wonderful talent Baalke can find, of course the expectations should be no less then top 3 in order to make the drama worth going through.
No, I think what they're saying is the perceived huge drop off may be based more on feeling and a loyalty people had to Harbaugh versus the actual facts how the team performed last season. When observing position by position and looking at every game and then understanding the offensive trends over the years, more than one logical conclusion can be derived from the data; will the 49ers fall right on their faces with the loss of so many coaches and their head coach? Possibly. I and others think it's unlikely given the talent on this team even with the losses we've had on defense. Again, I don't think ANYONE can say it's a given how the team will perform; we're all guessing. However there are very strong arguments on both sides beyond "they suck" or "they're awesome."
Well stated.
I heard we have some fine position coaches in Jason Tarver, Clancy Pendegrast, Tim Lewis & Scott Brown. And some guy named Tomsula checking in from time to time on the defense. My original point is that we ended the year top 5 WITH all those injuries and circumstances. Any returning "healthy" players instantly adds to that pool of talent...plus the FA's...plus the draft picks. So the talent will be better to start the year vs. the way we ended it. Therefore, the only question remains is how well will Mangini scheme and make in-game adjustments. My contention is that this is a much more talented roster than fans in here realize...Mangini should be able to play pin-the-play-on-the-gameplan and still have success here with this talent pool. I would love to hear the argument for why we'll magically finish 15th or worse.
Apr 27, 2015 at 3:12 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by REB4:
NCCommand & cciowa logic states that we have better coaches this year, and since all the injured players will magically be 110% healed (100% healed AND 10% better than ever) this team should be no less then top 5. With the better coaching from Mangini & all the wonderful talent Baalke can find, of course the expectations should be no less then top 3 in order to make the drama worth going through.
No, I think what they're saying is the perceived huge drop off may be based more on feeling and a loyalty people had to Harbaugh versus the actual facts how the team performed last season. When observing position by position and looking at every game and then understanding the offensive trends over the years, more than one logical conclusion can be derived from the data; will the 49ers fall right on their faces with the loss of so many coaches and their head coach? Possibly. I and others think it's unlikely given the talent on this team even with the losses we've had on defense. Again, I don't think ANYONE can say it's a given how the team will perform; we're all guessing. However there are very strong arguments on both sides beyond "they suck" or "they're awesome."
Well stated.
I heard we have some fine position coaches in Jason Tarver, Clancy Pendegrast, Tim Lewis & Scott Brown. And some guy named Tomsula checking in from time to time on the defense. My original point is that we ended the year top 5 WITH all those injuries and circumstances. Any returning "healthy" players instantly adds to that pool of talent...plus the FA's...plus the draft picks. So the talent will be better to start the year vs. the way we ended it. Therefore, the only question remains is how well will Mangini scheme and make in-game adjustments. My contention is that this is a much more talented roster than fans in here realize...Mangini should be able to play pin-the-play-on-the-gameplan and still have success here with this talent pool. I would love to hear the argument for why we'll magically finish 15th or worse.
Agree with your post Ncommand...I think the question of Mangini and his in-game adjustments will be the key to everything overall this season on the defensive side of the ball
Apr 27, 2015 at 3:15 PM
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Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by REB4:
NCCommand & cciowa logic states that we have better coaches this year, and since all the injured players will magically be 110% healed (100% healed AND 10% better than ever) this team should be no less then top 5. With the better coaching from Mangini & all the wonderful talent Baalke can find, of course the expectations should be no less then top 3 in order to make the drama worth going through.
No, I think what they're saying is the perceived huge drop off may be based more on feeling and a loyalty people had to Harbaugh versus the actual facts how the team performed last season. When observing position by position and looking at every game and then understanding the offensive trends over the years, more than one logical conclusion can be derived from the data; will the 49ers fall right on their faces with the loss of so many coaches and their head coach? Possibly. I and others think it's unlikely given the talent on this team even with the losses we've had on defense. Again, I don't think ANYONE can say it's a given how the team will perform; we're all guessing. However there are very strong arguments on both sides beyond "they suck" or "they're awesome."
Well stated.
I heard we have some fine position coaches in Jason Tarver, Clancy Pendegrast, Tim Lewis & Scott Brown. And some guy named Tomsula checking in from time to time on the defense. My original point is that we ended the year top 5 WITH all those injuries and circumstances. Any returning "healthy" players instantly adds to that pool of talent...plus the FA's...plus the draft picks. So the talent will be better to start the year vs. the way we ended it. Therefore, the only question remains is how well will Mangini scheme and make in-game adjustments. My contention is that this is a much more talented roster than fans in here realize...Mangini should be able to play pin-the-play-on-the-gameplan and still have success here with this talent pool. I would love to hear the argument for why we'll magically finish 15th or worse.
Agree with your post Ncommand...I think the question of Mangini and his in-game adjustments will be the key to everything overall this season on the defensive side of the ball
And one thing we forget is the scheme itself. We already know Mangini not only comes from a similar off-coverage school as Fangio but has also witnessed that success here as well (and has taken notes, I'm sure). He's familiar with this personnel. But now add in the extra perspectives from 3 other very successful coaches (which he claimed he was doing...taking the best from the other 3 schools of thought). And what if Mangini decides to blitz more...uses a guy like D.Johnson in physical jam press at the LOB...asks his ILB's to be in coverage less...uses Ward more to play down hill...adds another DB on the field more...moves D. Johnson inside to the slot against bigger TE's and slot WR's...doesn't play off 15 yards on 3rd and 5...hates playing "prevent a win"...is more aggressive on first downs (like teams have done to us for 100 years now putting us in 2nd and longs)? Just maybe...we could even be...dare I say...better?
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 27, 2015 at 3:18 PM ]
Apr 27, 2015 at 4:06 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by REB4:
NCCommand & cciowa logic states that we have better coaches this year, and since all the injured players will magically be 110% healed (100% healed AND 10% better than ever) this team should be no less then top 5. With the better coaching from Mangini & all the wonderful talent Baalke can find, of course the expectations should be no less then top 3 in order to make the drama worth going through.
No, I think what they're saying is the perceived huge drop off may be based more on feeling and a loyalty people had to Harbaugh versus the actual facts how the team performed last season. When observing position by position and looking at every game and then understanding the offensive trends over the years, more than one logical conclusion can be derived from the data; will the 49ers fall right on their faces with the loss of so many coaches and their head coach? Possibly. I and others think it's unlikely given the talent on this team even with the losses we've had on defense. Again, I don't think ANYONE can say it's a given how the team will perform; we're all guessing. However there are very strong arguments on both sides beyond "they suck" or "they're awesome."
Well stated.
I heard we have some fine position coaches in Jason Tarver, Clancy Pendegrast, Tim Lewis & Scott Brown. And some guy named Tomsula checking in from time to time on the defense. My original point is that we ended the year top 5 WITH all those injuries and circumstances. Any returning "healthy" players instantly adds to that pool of talent...plus the FA's...plus the draft picks. So the talent will be better to start the year vs. the way we ended it. Therefore, the only question remains is how well will Mangini scheme and make in-game adjustments. My contention is that this is a much more talented roster than fans in here realize...Mangini should be able to play pin-the-play-on-the-gameplan and still have success here with this talent pool. I would love to hear the argument for why we'll magically finish 15th or worse.
Agree with your post Ncommand...I think the question of Mangini and his in-game adjustments will be the key to everything overall this season on the defensive side of the ball
And one thing we forget is the scheme itself. We already know Mangini not only comes from a similar off-coverage school as Fangio but has also witnessed that success here as well (and has taken notes, I'm sure). He's familiar with this personnel. But now add in the extra perspectives from 3 other very successful coaches (which he claimed he was doing...taking the best from the other 3 schools of thought). And what if Mangini decides to blitz more...uses a guy like D.Johnson in physical jam press at the LOB...asks his ILB's to be in coverage less...uses Ward more to play down hill...adds another DB on the field more...moves D. Johnson inside to the slot against bigger TE's and slot WR's...doesn't play off 15 yards on 3rd and 5...hates playing "prevent a win"...is more aggressive on first downs (like teams have done to us for 100 years now putting us in 2nd and longs)? Just maybe...we could even be...dare I say...better?
Would be interesting to see Johnson on Graham now that we've got the lucky privilege to play him twice a year
Apr 28, 2015 at 7:23 AM
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Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by REB4:
NCCommand & cciowa logic states that we have better coaches this year, and since all the injured players will magically be 110% healed (100% healed AND 10% better than ever) this team should be no less then top 5. With the better coaching from Mangini & all the wonderful talent Baalke can find, of course the expectations should be no less then top 3 in order to make the drama worth going through.
No, I think what they're saying is the perceived huge drop off may be based more on feeling and a loyalty people had to Harbaugh versus the actual facts how the team performed last season. When observing position by position and looking at every game and then understanding the offensive trends over the years, more than one logical conclusion can be derived from the data; will the 49ers fall right on their faces with the loss of so many coaches and their head coach? Possibly. I and others think it's unlikely given the talent on this team even with the losses we've had on defense. Again, I don't think ANYONE can say it's a given how the team will perform; we're all guessing. However there are very strong arguments on both sides beyond "they suck" or "they're awesome."
Well stated.
I heard we have some fine position coaches in Jason Tarver, Clancy Pendegrast, Tim Lewis & Scott Brown. And some guy named Tomsula checking in from time to time on the defense. My original point is that we ended the year top 5 WITH all those injuries and circumstances. Any returning "healthy" players instantly adds to that pool of talent...plus the FA's...plus the draft picks. So the talent will be better to start the year vs. the way we ended it. Therefore, the only question remains is how well will Mangini scheme and make in-game adjustments. My contention is that this is a much more talented roster than fans in here realize...Mangini should be able to play pin-the-play-on-the-gameplan and still have success here with this talent pool. I would love to hear the argument for why we'll magically finish 15th or worse.
Agree with your post Ncommand...I think the question of Mangini and his in-game adjustments will be the key to everything overall this season on the defensive side of the ball
And one thing we forget is the scheme itself. We already know Mangini not only comes from a similar off-coverage school as Fangio but has also witnessed that success here as well (and has taken notes, I'm sure). He's familiar with this personnel. But now add in the extra perspectives from 3 other very successful coaches (which he claimed he was doing...taking the best from the other 3 schools of thought). And what if Mangini decides to blitz more...uses a guy like D.Johnson in physical jam press at the LOB...asks his ILB's to be in coverage less...uses Ward more to play down hill...adds another DB on the field more...moves D. Johnson inside to the slot against bigger TE's and slot WR's...doesn't play off 15 yards on 3rd and 5...hates playing "prevent a win"...is more aggressive on first downs (like teams have done to us for 100 years now putting us in 2nd and longs)? Just maybe...we could even be...dare I say...better?
Would be interesting to see Johnson on Graham now that we've got the lucky privilege to play him twice a year
I'm honestly not worried about him...we've always done well against him anyhow minus one late-game playoff performance (Whitner). I think Baalke and Mangini will be looking at personnel matchups more...