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49ers Offensive Line
Feb 24, 2018 at 12:48 PM
- pasodoc9er
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In Mel Kiper's 2.0 mock, he has 16 OLs taken in the first 3 rds, and 8 ERs. Also he has us taking our first OL at #70, Mason Cole....and our first EDGE #74 Sweat. The only way that happens is if Kyle and john end up going thru FA and nailing down at least 2 starting OLs (and one hopefully is Norwell), plus an age/cap cut. Maybe Sitton, maybe another. Picking Sweat at #74 as our first EDGE, means same thing....we must be picking an EDGE in FA plus at least one cap/age cut. Only 2 choices out there , Ansah and Demarcus Lawrrence. Doubt DAL lets him go though. So that means Ansah? Sure be nice, but if we really are picking like Kiper has posted, then we have to be getting some studs in FA....and on OL that is Norwell and EDGE basically Ansah. So we'll see. The LB thing really hurt because after Reuben we got ....well,, not much.
Feb 27, 2018 at 3:15 PM
- Joecool
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A thought:
In this era where quick passing (under 3 seconds) is controlling the league, should bookend Tackles be valued as high anymore? It seems as though protection up the middle to keep the space in front of the QB for the quicker throws seems more valuable. Defenses are rarely able to get around the edge because the ball gets out so quick in this era. Now, defenses are beginning to find more ways get pressure up the middle.
In this era where quick passing (under 3 seconds) is controlling the league, should bookend Tackles be valued as high anymore? It seems as though protection up the middle to keep the space in front of the QB for the quicker throws seems more valuable. Defenses are rarely able to get around the edge because the ball gets out so quick in this era. Now, defenses are beginning to find more ways get pressure up the middle.
Feb 27, 2018 at 3:20 PM
- Giedi
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:Ansah tagged.
In Mel Kiper's 2.0 mock, he has 16 OLs taken in the first 3 rds, and 8 ERs. Also he has us taking our first OL at #70, Mason Cole....and our first EDGE #74 Sweat. The only way that happens is if Kyle and john end up going thru FA and nailing down at least 2 starting OLs (and one hopefully is Norwell), plus an age/cap cut. Maybe Sitton, maybe another. Picking Sweat at #74 as our first EDGE, means same thing....we must be picking an EDGE in FA plus at least one cap/age cut. Only 2 choices out there , Ansah and Demarcus Lawrrence. Doubt DAL lets him go though. So that means Ansah? Sure be nice, but if we really are picking like Kiper has posted, then we have to be getting some studs in FA....and on OL that is Norwell and EDGE basically Ansah. So we'll see. The LB thing really hurt because after Reuben we got ....well,, not much.
The top heavy free-agent market for pass rushers became significantly thinner on Tuesday with the news the Lions gave Ezekiel Ansah the franchise tag.https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/27/lions-give-ezekiel-ansah-franchise-tag-preventing-him-from-hitting-open-market/?utm_source=49ersWebZone&utm_medium=tw&utm_campaign=sports
Feb 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM
- Marvin49
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Originally posted by Joecool:
A thought:
In this era where quick passing (under 3 seconds) is controlling the league, should bookend Tackles be valued as high anymore? It seems as though protection up the middle to keep the space in front of the QB for the quicker throws seems more valuable. Defenses are rarely able to get around the edge because the ball gets out so quick in this era. Now, defenses are beginning to find more ways get pressure up the middle.
In a word? Yes.
The short passing game has been a staple of NFL offenses for Decades and the importance of Tackles has never been higher.
Edge defenders are getting faster and more athletic and teams will pay a premium for them. As long as that is true, teams will need tackles to keep their 25-30 million dollar men upright.
Feb 27, 2018 at 8:23 PM
- pasodoc9er
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Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by Joecool:A thought:
In this era where quick passing (under 3 seconds) is controlling the league, should bookend Tackles be valued as high anymore? It seems as though protection up the middle to keep the space in front of the QB for the quicker throws seems more valuable. Defenses are rarely able to get around the edge because the ball gets out so quick in this era. Now, defenses are beginning to find more ways get pressure up the middle.
In a word? Yes.
The short passing game has been a staple of NFL offenses for Decades and the importance of Tackles has never been higher.
Edge defenders are getting faster and more athletic and teams will pay a premium for them. As long as that is true, teams will need tackles to keep their 25-30 million dollar men upright.
Amen Marvin, amen.
And nuts, Giedi, i saw that. Well there are 10-12 contenders from college, all with their own shortcomings, noted in some of the major mocks (kiper for one).
One or more of them may be the guy but nobody really has more than one consensus potential EDGE, and the rest are , well...you pick 'em. As for FA, teams are not known for shedding an all pro EDGE.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Feb 27, 2018 at 8:28 PM ]
Feb 27, 2018 at 8:32 PM
- RTFirefly
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I want my QB to be able to scan the field and go through his progessions while he goes into a 5 or 7 step drop. If even a fraction of his head is thinking about the edges, that's a big deal.
All I know about QBing is a ghostwritten book by Joe that's long since packed up. But it was so simple the way he described it; it was all in the execution - and everything else lol.
All I know about QBing is a ghostwritten book by Joe that's long since packed up. But it was so simple the way he described it; it was all in the execution - and everything else lol.
Feb 27, 2018 at 8:48 PM
- RTFirefly
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"The Art and Magic of Quarterbacking" at Barnes and Nobles for $0.99 + shipping.
Written by a ghostwriter for a Pop Warner or H.S. coach (my guess) it will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about quarterbacking but were afraid to ask.
Sometimes the most simple answers are the best. Read the book if you haven't and tell me I'm wrong.
Written by a ghostwriter for a Pop Warner or H.S. coach (my guess) it will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about quarterbacking but were afraid to ask.
Sometimes the most simple answers are the best. Read the book if you haven't and tell me I'm wrong.
Feb 27, 2018 at 9:06 PM
- RTFirefly
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When Gruden wasn't a Raider coach, but had his TV workouts of QBs, I saw him do go over the very same mechanics and thinking processes that Joe describes in the book. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
What does this have to do with the San Francisco 49er offensive line?
Everything.
What does this have to do with the San Francisco 49er offensive line?
Everything.
Feb 27, 2018 at 9:23 PM
- GEEK
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Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by Joecool:A thought:
In this era where quick passing (under 3 seconds) is controlling the league, should bookend Tackles be valued as high anymore? It seems as though protection up the middle to keep the space in front of the QB for the quicker throws seems more valuable. Defenses are rarely able to get around the edge because the ball gets out so quick in this era. Now, defenses are beginning to find more ways get pressure up the middle.
In a word? Yes.
The short passing game has been a staple of NFL offenses for Decades and the importance of Tackles has never been higher.
Edge defenders are getting faster and more athletic and teams will pay a premium for them. As long as that is true, teams will need tackles to keep their 25-30 million dollar men upright.
Agreed. LT will still be valued the highest because of blindside protection. At least the QB vision is better when it comes to pressure from the interior and the right side of the line.
Sacks are brutal, but sack fumbles can be fatal which is a higher chance when it's coming from the blindside. A strong OL is critical because of more creative scheming and stunts to get EDGE defenders to penetrate the interior, but I still think the conventional wisdom of a LT being the highest priority still stands today.
Feb 27, 2018 at 9:38 PM
- RTFirefly
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Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
A thought:
In this era where quick passing (under 3 seconds) is controlling the league, should bookend Tackles be valued as high anymore? It seems as though protection up the middle to keep the space in front of the QB for the quicker throws seems more valuable. Defenses are rarely able to get around the edge because the ball gets out so quick in this era. Now, defenses are beginning to find more ways get pressure up the middle.
In a word? Yes.
The short passing game has been a staple of NFL offenses for Decades and the importance of Tackles has never been higher.
Edge defenders are getting faster and more athletic and teams will pay a premium for them. As long as that is true, teams will need tackles to keep their 25-30 million dollar men upright.
Agreed. LT will still be valued the highest because of blindside protection. At least the QB vision is better when it comes to pressure from the interior and the right side of the line.
Sacks are brutal, but sack fumbles can be fatal which is a higher chance when it's coming from the blindside. A strong OL is critical because of more creative scheming and stunts to get EDGE defenders to penetrate the interior, but I still think the conventional wisdom of a LT being the highest priority still stands today.
+ holding penalities 15 yards
Feb 27, 2018 at 9:50 PM
- LVJay
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Originally posted by RTFirefly:
When Gruden wasn't a Raider coach, but had his TV workouts of QBs, I saw him do go over the very same mechanics and thinking processes that Joe describes in the book. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
What does this have to do with the San Francisco 49er offensive line?
Everything.
What does Chucky owe to that book / Joe?
Everything!
Feb 27, 2018 at 10:07 PM
- lamontb
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Shanny likes a lot play action shot plays. Gonna need the o line to hold up. Not to mention 3rd and long plays. I can't recall many teams with s**t tackles winning super bowls.
Feb 28, 2018 at 4:41 PM
- LasVegasWally
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Shanny likes a lot play action shot plays. Gonna need the o line to hold up. Not to mention 3rd and long plays. I can't recall many teams with s**t tackles winning super bowls.
Me either.
Feb 28, 2018 at 6:27 PM
- LVJay
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Naysayers: We are f**ked. Staley's an old fart, Brown recovering from injury. Gilliam, Fusco, Kilgore Garnett (nuff said)
Me: yeah, ya never know
Me: yeah, ya never know
Feb 28, 2018 at 9:24 PM
- dtg_9er
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Would be interesting if they took a LT in the first round. Have him ready to replace Staley and/or Brown this year? Might be a better investment than many of the top players in this draft. Orlando Brown, Kolton Miller or Connor Williams? Might even be able to trade back and take their guy.