Which coach will feed us the most crow?

Our offense is f**ked, and have no idea how Jesus Chryst will do anything different than his predecessor.

Jimmy T, the Big Guy, the Chairman of The Board, the Orchestrator. I believe he will go out with his team and immediately command respect from the entire league. He will make his coaches look better. He will unmuddy our name and the media will love him. He is the epitome of a famly man coach and our team's image will blossom in that direction. Then the product on the field will equal a healthy Patrick Willis and the sky's the limit.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Our new coaching staff is disapproved by most fans and the media alike. Who do you think will have us singing a different praise by mid to seasons end?

My pick: Eric Mangini

I think this guy has a huge chip on his shoulder and has been chomping at the bit to get an opportunity again. He's now on the side of the ball he belongs, and will use this year to make his mark being back. He's still young and I'm sure has the ultimate goal of a head coaching opportunity again. I think with him coordinating game plans and Tarver coaching the backers, these two will be much more aggressive with blitzes than Fangio was, well because Fangio hardly blitzed to begin with. I'm predicting a top five defense with more sacks by our defense in the season than Fangios defenses in any of the four.
The most was 42 under Fangio in 2011

You have seen the numbers for top QBs when they get blitzed right? They eat blitzes up! Pressure with 4, specially pressure up the middle, without blitzing is what rattles top QBs like Brady. You blitz him and he WILL find the empty hole.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I have to go with Geep too. Mangini will do very well with this personnel and will hover around top 3-10. But Geep...we're going to make leaps and bounds from 25th in points to 15+ and just that leap alone with be noticeably seen ON the field and in the W-L column.

This is why I wonder why so many fans are so sure there's going to be a drop-off. The defense gets a BUNCH of pro-bowl talent back. Aaron Lynch looks like a real beast if they're going to replace Brooks with him. And then on offense, how could they possibly do worse than 25th with a new, unpredictable system, a healthier offensive line and the kind of off-season work we've all been hoping Kaepernick would embrace?

So if the defense is still real good and the offense gets a lot better, how does the team end up with a worse record?

Only in NT is that possible!

Originally posted by NCommand:
I have to go with Geep too. Mangini will do very well with this personnel and will hover around top 3-10. But Geep...we're going to make leaps and bounds from 25th in points to 15+ and just that leap alone with be noticeably seen ON the field and in the W-L column.

This is why I wonder why so many fans are so sure there's going to be a drop-off. The defense gets a BUNCH of pro-bowl talent back. Aaron Lynch looks like a real beast if they're going to replace Brooks with him. And then on offense, how could they possibly do worse than 25th with a new, unpredictable system, a healthier offensive line and the kind of off-season work we've all been hoping Kaepernick would embrace?

So if the defense is still real good and the offense gets a lot better, how does the team end up with a worse record?

That's the thing with Cryst though, will it be an unpredictable offense? From everything I've read is that it will be virtually the same except they will simplify it. Don't know if that excites me because I hated our offense the whole Haroman era. Waaay to predictable. So will simplified make it even more predictable? I do think we'll be better than last year though, which doesn't say much

That is the 10-thousand dollar question. Simplifying it last off season meant streamlining the process and cleaning out the garage. Both fails. While I'm not a fan of the playbook either, there ARE large number of WCO designs in it including the ZBS. What WE didn't do was run WCO principles and teach to those. My best guess is that we'll a more traditional WCO playbook (simplifying the playbook itself) down to these kinds of plays while keeping a few RO and Spread formations. But the foundation though, should be more WCO. So we should see more CK under Center, more timing passes, more passes where the halfbacks are the primary targets, more TE's in the holes, slants, post patterns, curls, square ins/outs, etc. BUT the biggest difference (other than CK under C) will probably be Logan. Steve Logan is a QB specialist under the WCO so this means, like when he taught Matt Ryan, he'll work with CK's drop backs, tying his back step to WR routes, how to move within the pocket, will teach him how to progress through the routes, pass under 2.5 to 3 seconds (literally, with a stop watch), and make him practice until his arm (physically) and head fall off (studying). CK will finally have a private teacher just for him 24-7. Then it will be up to Logan creating the passing game, Foerster building the running game plan, collaborating on RZ stuff and Geep calling a better sequence of play calling so it doesn't look herky-jerky. I would imagine there would be a bigger emphasis on first down production as well and the shorter passing game with some calculated shots (like the Superbowl).

Originally posted by REB4:
You have seen the numbers for top QBs when they get blitzed right? They eat blitzes up! Pressure with 4, specially pressure up the middle, without blitzing is what rattles top QBs like Brady. You blitz him and he WILL find the empty hole.

Meh. Cards blitzed like crazy, had no real pass rushers of note and they did damn well until Lindley became their QB. Its not just about blitzing, its about blitzing effectively. Blitzing and not getting home to the QB is when you get lit up but if you time your blitzes well and your guys to a good job of getting the QB to move off his spot, blitzing can be extremely effective, that's why the 49ers got lit up by Denver and the Cards were still in the game into the 4th quarter before Stanton got knocked out due to injury and as a result everything fell apart for them.


I'd like to see the 49ers be more aggressive on defense, guys like Bowman and Willis should be used to pressure QB's more often, but it needs to be done judiciously and with the understanding that you will give up some big plays at times, which is why the Cards ranked like 23rd in total yards but 4th in points allowed.




The 49ers certainly can't have more performances like they did versus Oakland and San Diego where the QB's got to sit back in the pocket, get a back rub, have a cup of coffee, read the newspaper and eat a sandwich before deciding which one of their multiple open targets they were going to throw the ball to.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Harbaugh

Yup

I don't know about making anyone eat crow because I haven't personally seen much shade thrown his way but I have loved everything that I've heard and read about our new QB coach Steve Logan. There's a 49er podcast called 4thand9 and their last episode was about him and it made me pretty optimistic about the hire.

Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Harbaugh

Yup

I don't see how this team does any worse than they did last season and there are lots of reasons to expect it to do better. It has to do worse than 8-8 for Harbaugh to be dishing out crow. I have a hard time seeing that happen with a bunch of returning healthy talent on defense and a new scheme on offense.

Originally posted by crake49:

I don't see how this team does any worse than they did last season and there are lots of reasons to expect it to do better. It has to do worse than 8-8 for Harbaugh to be dishing out crow. I have a hard time seeing that happen with a bunch of returning healthy talent on defense and a new scheme on offense.

Not really. Last year we were missing our best defender all season, our 2nd/3rd best defenders for over half the season, and defensive line and db's across the board. That's 3 all pro players and almost half of defensive starters missing. We also had multiple holdouts and distractions caused by York that couldn't help the cause. Just going 8-8 would be a downgrade in my opinion with those factors changed this year. You also can't rule out Jim's previous 3 years bc you certainly aren't replacing a .500 coach.

Jimmy Tomsula.

Harbaugh/ end thread.

My gut is that Tomsula is gonna surprise many at how much better an in-game situational coach he is compared to Harbaugh.

Originally posted by captveg:
My gut is that Tomsula is gonna surprise many at how much better an in-game situational coach he is compared to Harbaugh.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by captveg:
My gut is that Tomsula is gonna surprise many at how much better an in-game situational coach he is compared to Harbaugh.

Wouldn't even be a stretch. Harbaugh was pretty bad at it. See: every 2nd half of the 2014 season, or every "sit on the lead with 25 mins left" game of his tenure.

Originally posted by Geeked:
Honestly, it will be Chryst.

Reasoning:

HaRoman not only called a predictable poorly coordinated offense, but the both over-complicated calling and simplistic design destroyed the morale of the offensive personnel. All Chryst has to do is be an average OC and play caller to measurably improve the offense next year. Unfortunately and ironically, this may end up getting him an HC job in college or NFL. GM's and AD's will look at this (internally) expected turnaround and think Chryst is working some kind of magic... And the 49ers will be off looking for another OC... just like the good 'ol days.

This, unfortunately. Our offense was such a joke that if it even looks average, Chryst looks like a top OC in the league due to the "magic" he will have pulled off. As long as Mangini (my autocorrect changed that to Mangina lol) doesn't completely tank one of the league's most talented defensive rosters, Chryst leading an average offense would make this team good enough to be not only a playoff team, but good enough for a first round bye in January, which would lead to him receiving even more praise.

On the other hand, we don't even know that Chryst is capable of being an average OC yet. He could end up being worse than Roman was (not likely, but the possibility is still there).