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  • SaksV
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Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
agreed but im just wondering where the hell our offense fell apart. all of the injuries until today have been on defense and vic still had them playing their asses off.

This Offense was never in place to begin with.

The passing philosophy is 4 decades too old. 85% intermediate passing routes with pre-snap reads that cause QBs to develop tunnel vision and operate like robots.

Horrendously flawed pass blocking schemes that put far too much pressure on the interior line.

Little to no outlet our checkdown options in case of inevitable pressure from the opponent.

Running scheme carbon copied from Stanford with a few added minor tweaks.

2011
Installed during the "Lockout" Off-Season, this team was able to get a head start on the rest of the league due to a couple factors:
1) The team had a veteran QB that excels at understanding playbooks
1a) Said QB took it upon himself to be a LEADER and teach what he knew of this new playbook to his teammates rather than flying to another state to do private workouts
2) No team in the NFL besides a few teams that had college coaches on their staff were very familiar with Harbaugh/Roman's Stanford run blocking schemes.
3) The OL finally had some continuity and new techniques to learn after the Singletary/Nolan Era...this motivates a unit
4) Having the above mentioned QB with the brain of a coordinator helped significantly with pre-snap adjustments and audibles if teams keyed in on where we wanted to go with the ball.

Even though we sort of took the league by storm in Harbaugh's first year, there were hints of who we really were...The 2011 Thanksgiving Thursday Night game was Hint #1.


The Arizona loss was Hint #2...

Hint #3 for me was more subtle because it was during that Monday Night game against Pittsburgh when Aldon Smith blew up. I just remember saying to myself "We should be doing more than this...I've seen some of these plays before"

But with a supreme Defense, this was more than enough for us to make a strong push in the 2011 post-season..........turnovers, our lack of playmakers up to that point, and a few untimely injuries down the stretch was what cost us a chance to beat the Patriots in Super Bowl 46

2012:
After we made the switch at QB, our offensive problems were simply masked by the fact that the league was totally unprepared for Kapernick.
Read Option Mania allowed us to mentally-mess with our opponents before a game started and we had a slight advantage for a while....rode it all the way to the Super Bowl in fact..........until we ran into a team coached by a guy who knows our Head Coach like the back of his hand. Go figure.

You think Terrell Suggs comments of some of our Offensive players being "Fake" was just trash talk? No! He studies...he's an All-Pro. He saw through some of our FAKE schemes in film study and it showed in the way they jumped all over us in the first half.

2013
Due to our own success and the success of some other teams with mobile QBs, the NFL spent the 2013 offseason micro-analyzing our playbook.

Roman was not the inventor of the Pistol, he was learning just like everyone else. That's never a good thing if you want to beat your opponent consistently on offense. You gotta have a dynamic coach who understands his personnel and creates a philosophy/scheme on the fly, based on the cards he's got in his hand.
Modern Football doesn't allow you to bring a Scheme in and find players to fit your Scheme ala Bill Walsh's WCO. You must find a way to make things work with your tools. Roman can't do this and hasn't shown he can do this at even an average rate.

Enter 2013 Training Camp:
We no longer had a veteran QB diagnosing and helping to teach the playbook
Lost the only productive receiver we'd had in a decade

Harbaugh and Roman went Hyper Ultra Conservative all 2013 and you see what happened...couldn't put teams away, couldn't convert, rarely scared other teams.


2014
The writing was on the wall for a while. We are who the NFL thought we were....Offensively at least.
Originally posted by SaksV:
Can't praise Vic Fangio for coaching up the backups on D who stepped in for injured starters and in the same breath blame injuries on the OL for the incompetence of our entire O.

That's totally ignoring the group of men responsible for Teaching, Preparing and Motivating the Offense.....aka COACHES.

Do you mean you can't praise Fangio enough? If that's what you meant to say, I totally agree. Vic is FANTASTIC!
Originally posted by prime21:
How can we get Vernon involved when he is the only healthy TE on the field and in turn primarily used to block due to our O-line looking like complete trash

The real question is how can we get Vernon involved when he half asses his routes and makes NO EFFORT whatsoever when thrown to? Even when he tries to catch the ball, he drops it. Don't try to blame Vernon's failures on anybody but Vernon.
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Originally posted by deviledEgg:
Do you mean you can't praise Fangio enough? If that's what you meant to say, I totally agree. Vic is FANTASTIC!

No what I mean to say is it is contradictory for us as fans to praise Fangio for what he's done positively for our D while at the same time ignoring what our coaches have done NEGATIVELY to our O.
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This entire offensive philosophy is a sham. Fraudulent. Never worked very well to begin with and once teams caught up, we were exposed and flattened. It's actually pretty disappointing considering the narrative of Harbaugh being such an offensive minded guy before arriving here.
Look how crappy philly looks right now. Our problem is some of our players suck now. Online sucks. Tight end sucks. And we have no speed wr
Defense has been our strength for a good while. I give Vic credit for keeping that but we need some offensive production from this unit. I am tired of relying on our defense to get us a win. With need offense!! Please!!
Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
Look how crappy philly looks right now. Our problem is some of our players suck now. Online sucks. Tight end sucks. And we have no speed wr

Mark Sanchez at QB......nuff said.
Injuries are the reason, but the offense is still fundamentally flawed. Why we've been winning so much over the past 3 years is because our talent on defense compensated for it.
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Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
Look how crappy philly looks right now. Our problem is some of our players suck now. Online sucks. Tight end sucks. And we have no speed wr

Our players don't "suck now", our philosophy on O sucks and it's always sucked. We have GREAT players that have been able to produce DESPITE this sucky philosophy. Injuries have just not allowed us to compensate for such a sucky scheme.

Philadelphia is just another example of a college coach that is not doing well adjusting his scheme to fit the current situation in the NFL.

Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Injuries are the reason, but the offense is still fundamentally flawed. Why we've been winning so much over the past 3 years is because our talent on defense compensated for it.
Not true, imho. In 2012, our defense was mediocre at best. Back then, our offense bailed us out, the Superbowl is the best example here. The NFCGG in the same year is another example, imho.

Our offense was questionable at times last year though one could excuse it by Kap and the lack of quality at WR.
Now, everyone sees that our offense really sucks.
[ Edited by communist on Dec 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM ]
Originally posted by communist:
Not true, imho. In 2012, our defense was mediocre at best. Back then, our offense bailed us out, the Superbowl is the best example here. The NFCGG in the same year is another example, imho.

Our offense was questionable at times last year though one could excuse it by Kap and the lack of quality at WR.
Now, everyone sees that our offense really sucks.

2012, the big difference was that nobody had tape on Kaepernick, and then the read option threw a whole new wrench into the works. Once that stopped being effective, this offense went back to looking hapless again.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
He served his purpose now he can GTFOH

kind of surprised by your statement here. don't you think with less injuries on the OL and better leaders involved, ie Bow and Willis we would have won at least 2-3 more games this year?

Also, do you think Kap has any say in JH staying or not?
If I were a player and in the locker room, the one thing I wouldn't be is happy. Crappy OC, who is calling the HC's plays. Got a guy with a cannon at Qb who should be throwing passes that are open, ie WCO passes, dink and dunk, which every team we played has given us. Just look around the NFL and everyone of the great teams has that great short passing game. Well, kap doesn't do short dinks and dunks, and jimbo doesn't like roman to call them. I would be pizzed at my OC, HC, and Qb. I would want to see all 3 of them gone at the start of next yr. Kap is so screwed up by his miscoaching by jH and roman that he will be lucky if he ever gets straightened out. So b.s. on the locker room being happy. They have talent, they know it and they also know the coaches had no idea how to use it. FAIL, FAIL FAIL/ grades fpr roman, JH and kap. Start over without those three. And next time you get a guy who finished college in two yrs , and stayed on a 3rd yr to learn more football, you better keep him. Kap is so underwhelming I cannot put it in words. Put the alex thing squarely on jimbo and it went downhill from there. Fire them all.
Also, didn't Harbs say the offense was out of syn even after a preseason game?
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