Shootin' Ourselves in the Foot: Week 10 | Page 2

Nov 10, 2014 at 4:52 PM

pasodoc9er
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Buck, on top of that, I counted 5 by anquan, and 10 or 11 overall. Don't know how they call a ball a drop but there were way more than 7. Maybe if a ball is wide, that isn't a drop? or too high? Curious how they decide that. Kind of like an error in baseball...they wait to decide whose fault it was.

Nov 10, 2014 at 5:24 PM

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Originally posted by CMIO:
I will say this. Kaepernick needs to stop holding on to the ball ALL the time thinking he can extend the play. Yes, I don't want him to be a p***y like Wilson where he looks to run and when he can't throws the ball into the stands...but with that said, Kaep needs to go through his progressions, find a running lane, and if both are not available just throw it away.

I would have to guess that the majority of sack plays on Kaep have been drive killing. Not only does he get sacked, but all that shifting he does gets us HUGE losses that are hard to recover from.

I agree totally but you really need to watch each sack he takes individually. Whether it's 2nd and 10.6 yards to go or 2nd and 15 it's sometimes best to try and extend the play as long as possible esp. given our ad lib plays are our most successful by far! Take a sack or two a game. Big deal!

Nov 10, 2014 at 5:26 PM

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Dbl...again

[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 10, 2014 at 6:11 PM ]

Nov 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CMIO:
I will say this. Kaepernick needs to stop holding on to the ball ALL the time thinking he can extend the play. Yes, I don't want him to be a p***y like Wilson where he looks to run and when he can't throws the ball into the stands...but with that said, Kaep needs to go through his progressions, find a running lane, and if both are not available just throw it away.

I would have to guess that the majority of sack plays on Kaep have been drive killing. Not only does he get sacked, but all that shifting he does gets us HUGE losses that are hard to recover from.

I agree totally to an extent but you really need to watch each sack he takes individually. Whether it's 2nd and 10.6 yards to go or 2nd and 15 it's sometimes best to try and extend the play as long as possible esp. given our ad lib plays are our most successful by far! Take a sack or two a game. Big deal!

It's a valid point. I could see the coaching staff encouraging this because the upside on ad lib plays is so huge. Interesting food for thought.

Nov 10, 2014 at 5:41 PM

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Buck, on top of that, I counted 5 by anquan, and 10 or 11 overall. Don't know how they call a ball a drop but there were way more than 7. Maybe if a ball is wide, that isn't a drop? or too high? Curious how they decide that. Kind of like an error in baseball...they wait to decide whose fault it was.

I am using the PFF numbers.

I trust their eyesight more than I trust mine.

Nov 10, 2014 at 6:10 PM

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Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CMIO:
I will say this. Kaepernick needs to stop holding on to the ball ALL the time thinking he can extend the play. Yes, I don't want him to be a p***y like Wilson where he looks to run and when he can't throws the ball into the stands...but with that said, Kaep needs to go through his progressions, find a running lane, and if both are not available just throw it away.

I would have to guess that the majority of sack plays on Kaep have been drive killing. Not only does he get sacked, but all that shifting he does gets us HUGE losses that are hard to recover from.

I agree totally to an extent but you really need to watch each sack he takes individually. Whether it's 2nd and 10.6 yards to go or 2nd and 15 it's sometimes best to try and extend the play as long as possible esp. given our ad lib plays are our most successful by far! Take a sack or two a game. Big deal!

It's a valid point. I could see the coaching staff encouraging this because the upside on ad lib plays is so huge. Interesting food for thought.

There was audio last year of a coach reminding CK that if the first read wasn't there to use his legs. So in line with this philosophy, doesn't this make sense as well? Not that I agree but I try to think like the coaches as closely as I can with the limited info I have.

Nov 10, 2014 at 6:13 PM

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Most teams have a hot receiver or an outlet receiver to go to if there is a blitz. We seem to always be caught dead in the water. Blitzes kill us.

Our defense played great but how can you let Brees get away with a TD when we had 2 blitzers who had a shot at him before he could throw? Why didn't we have double coverage on their primary target TE inside the ten yard line when you know they are going to him every time he is one on one?

Nov 10, 2014 at 8:03 PM

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Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Most teams have a hot receiver or an outlet receiver to go to if there is a blitz. We seem to always be caught dead in the water. Blitzes kill us.

Our defense played great but how can you let Brees get away with a TD when we had 2 blitzers who had a shot at him before he could throw? Why didn't we have double coverage on their primary target TE inside the ten yard line when you know they are going to him every time he is one on one?

To be fair, that was one of the most ridiculous slippery move ever! Props to him...

Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 PM

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It was a great move but you have to come in under control or you will be sidestepped almost every time. We had 2 players come in out of control. Neither had to because of the blocking. Huge mistake and it cost us a TD. It;s one thing if you need all of your speed to come around the edge while being blocked but they came free and you need to be under control.

Nov 10, 2014 at 11:18 PM

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^^^ Yeah Brooks probably was saying to them, "Tackle LOW. Did you not learn from me last year?"

Nov 11, 2014 at 6:06 AM

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The good news is the penalties are going down. The bad news is the sacks and drops are going up. Also, the lack of turnovers (minus Kap) are really impressive for the offense. 1 fumble for the group is pretty dang good.

And yeah we have had a problem tackling the QB on free shots for years now. Aldon is good at it the rest are pretty easily side stepped and don't break down. DB's, DL, LB's...