Ok, everybody had a bad game. Lee, Kap, OL especially. But one stands out above all...and that is our OC, roman. Kap was Sacked 7 times in the first half and then again in the second, it was apparent to everyone in the stadium that any pass that took longer than 2.5 seconds to throw was going to be a sack. Kap had no time to throw anything but 2.5 second passes. And our guy up in the press box, roman, had to have seen that. But he continued to call 5 step, 7 step, 9 step drops, that took WAY more than 2.5 seconds. Eli did a major study on why he was getting sacked so much. He found, not surprisingly, that any ball not gone in 2.5 seconds, caused him to be sacked. That information is available to anybody.
So roman, and therefore Coach Harbaugh, continued to beat the drum for passes greater than 2.5 seconds, causing 7 sacks in the first half and cratering 5 drives. It is apparent that roman cannot call plays for kap, and Coach H cannot continue to OK them, because against the big RUSH, they result in sacks. So we either keep Kap...or we keep roman and Coach H. We cannot keep both. One or the other has to go, because if kap is given a play that takes longer than 2.5 seconds to be thrown, he gets sacked. Obviously neither JH nor greg noted this as they continued to call pass plays that took longer than 2.5 seconds. So now, we either get rid of kap, or we get rid of greg...and as JH says, he stays with me....so maybe they both need to go. Whatever, their performance today rates right up there with stupidity for the ages, in that all 65,000 fans in the stadium and another 12-15 million saw HaRo call for long developing plays, time after time, with the same result...Kap getting sacked. They all failed. All passes under 2.5 seconds
were gone, no sacks, and most were complete. So there it is. Somebody has to go. Roman cannot call plays for kap and JH isn't going to fire him. ERgo, I guess they both go. Or kap goes, but even tho he had his second horrible game in a row, I would rather keep him than roman. I will give roman credit a few times for rolling kap out, but that was long after the 7 sacks.
As to the question, who goes? Obviously, once again, HaRo could not see the obvious, and no changes were made at half time re: long developing passes. Greg has outstayed his welcome and usefulness here. Our Qb is failing because of greg's incredibly poor play calls. So one or the other...who will it be, and Coach H is free to leave if he has to stay with roman. But somebody has to go after that disgrace out there today. Sure the OL played bad. But that is what a HC does. He makes changes. He makes sure his QB throws the ball before 2.5 seconds go by. Well, today, Coach H failed, and roman failed...again. Somebody has to go. Personally, I like kap, and I like Coach H. But being hardheaded and not very observant, is not the kind of coach we need for a team this talented. This has been a season wasted by bad coaching...and somebody has to, needs to, go.
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Time to choose...one or the other(s). Somebody has to go.
Nov 2, 2014 at 4:48 PM
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Nov 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM
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read between the lines with tomsula pumping up the o-line late in the game. harbs and "his guys" exit at years end and its tomsula who is the HC. come at me and tell me i'm wrong but if i'm not i'm gonna remind those who said i was bat s**t crazy.
Nov 2, 2014 at 4:55 PM
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Originally posted by crabman82:read between the lines with tomsula pumping up the o-line late in the game. harbs and "his guys" exit at years end and its tomsula who is the HC. come at me and tell me i'm wrong but if i'm not i'm gonna remind those who said i was bat s**t crazy.
Wouldn't surprise me at all
Nov 2, 2014 at 4:58 PM
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Yeah, I noticed that too. That is what your HC is supposed to be doing...altho I wish he had been paying attention and had not OKed the long developing passes that each resulted in sacks...unhhh, 8 times, 7 in first half. Once again halftime is NOT a time to change tactics in the 9er locker room. WHY IS THAT?
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:00 PM
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Roman will only go if Harbaugh goes.
And thats unfortunate. Harbaugh has the utmost loyalty to his coaches. He'll never fire them, and that has probably cost him a ring or two in these past 4 years.
We have no choice but to let go. We've done worse, shelving guys like Seifert after 6 years, and that was with 2 SB rings. Or Mooch, who like Harbaugh took us to repeat playoff runs when we decided to purge the team.
New direction is needed. We have too many weapons on both sides of the ball, and this ineptitude after 4 years is inexcusable. We need a coach that demands respect, that is willing to hold his players AND coaches accountable, and maintains discipline in the lockerroom.
Harbaugh doesn't have this quality unfortunately.
Time to move on.
And thats unfortunate. Harbaugh has the utmost loyalty to his coaches. He'll never fire them, and that has probably cost him a ring or two in these past 4 years.
We have no choice but to let go. We've done worse, shelving guys like Seifert after 6 years, and that was with 2 SB rings. Or Mooch, who like Harbaugh took us to repeat playoff runs when we decided to purge the team.
New direction is needed. We have too many weapons on both sides of the ball, and this ineptitude after 4 years is inexcusable. We need a coach that demands respect, that is willing to hold his players AND coaches accountable, and maintains discipline in the lockerroom.
Harbaugh doesn't have this quality unfortunately.
Time to move on.
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:05 PM
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Problem is I really like the guy, but he is a zero, bust, nada, nothing on O. Awful, that's about it. Entrusting this talented O to roman and watching this kind of performance is sickening. "The QB whisperer"...there is a really bad joke. Maybe he whispers, but his OKing of the play calls shows that he is not ready for primetime with this kind of talented team. If he got a decent OC he'd be fine. but he won't. Maybe now we know why no contract was signed. And if jim is holding out for more money, guess again.
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:12 PM
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Fangio and his defense are the real reason why this team has been successful I say. Take away our defense the past 4 years and think where we would be. Haven't been a top 15 offense, always horrible in the redzone, rely on nothing but the kicker, have led the lead in takeaways. Defense has carried us, and that starts with Fangio.
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:16 PM
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Trent got JH the talent. JH didn't do anything with it, mostly thanks to roman. Roman should have been gone 2 yrs ago, but JIm said no. I don't see Trent offering JH a position next yr....and Roman will definitely be gone.
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:17 PM
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Originally posted by crabman82:
read between the lines with tomsula pumping up the o-line late in the game. harbs and "his guys" exit at years end and its tomsula who is the HC. come at me and tell me i'm wrong but if i'm not i'm gonna remind those who said i was bat s**t crazy.
feel free to do whatever you want but you are 100% wrong.
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:18 PM
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Throw Solari in there as well. He should have been fired when Singletary was
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:19 PM
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:Trent got JH the talent. JH didn't do anything with it, mostly thanks to roman. Roman should have been gone 2 yrs ago, but JIm said no. I don't see Trent offering JH a position next yr....and Roman will definitely be gone.
I'm starting to side with Trent.
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:22 PM
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Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Fangio and his defense are the real reason why this team has been successful I say. Take away our defense the past 4 years and think where we would be. Haven't been a top 15 offense, always horrible in the redzone, rely on nothing but the kicker, have led the lead in takeaways. Defense has carried us, and that starts with Fangio.
The truth!
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:24 PM
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Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by crabman82:
read between the lines with tomsula pumping up the o-line late in the game. harbs and "his guys" exit at years end and its tomsula who is the HC. come at me and tell me i'm wrong but if i'm not i'm gonna remind those who said i was bat s**t crazy.
Wouldn't surprise me at all
Don't think that's a stretch.
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:32 PM
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We need to be like the Ravens. Trent should step in a fire Roman. If Harbaugh doesn't like it, then he can go to. I like Harbaugh, but he is hitching his horse to the wrong wagon.
Nov 2, 2014 at 5:34 PM
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At this point I'd rather us make Fangio or Tomsula the HC and fire Harbaugh and Roman.