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NFCW 2014 finishing order

Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by CWin4949:
when mods make your posts sonshine, its never the wrong forum, now run along before you get your backside paddled...

When mods make your posts? What does that even mean?
Fyi, sonshine isn't a word.

Would you like to paddle my backside? Is that what you were going for?

Relax man, I posted it because I thought it should get moved, just a thread.

here's the thing SON-shine, you don't have the vision to translate what happened with the creation of this thread, so therefore I don't expect you to be able comprehend how great it was, you clearly don't understand what happened.... It was created with purpose, it was placed with purpose and it transpired as planned...

now please run along....
Monkeyshine
49ers: 13-3
Seahawks: 12-4
Rams: 9-7
Cardinals: 8-8
Originally posted by CWin4949:
here's the thing SON-shine, you don't have the vision to translate what happened with the creation of this thread, so therefore I don't expect you to be able comprehend how great it was, you clearly don't understand what happened.... It was created with purpose, it was placed with purpose and it transpired as planned...

now please run along....

I don't have the vision to translate what happened with the creation of this thread?
Lol actually I do, that's why I made this exact same thread about 3 months ago. Relax before you get an episode old man, jesus.

I'm not bashing you or the thread, just simply thought it should get moved/merged

Here is my contribution,


Arizona-



Rams-



Seattle-


ESPN takes on schedules-
Rams-
The pressure will be on the Rams to bring a 3-0 record into the Week 4 bye. The next eight weeks feature seven opponents from the 2013 playoffs, with the lone exception being the 10-6 Cardinals. Although the schedule softens a bit after Thanksgiving, the Super Bowl champions are looming in the season finale.

Cardinals-
The three-game stretch heading into the Week 9 bye will make or break the Cardinals' season, with grueling matchups against the superpowers of the NFC in the 49ers, Seahawks and Falcons. The schedule lets up significantly in the second half of the season, only to close with back-to-back rematches with the stacked rosters of Seattle and San Francisco.

Seattle-
The Super Bowl champions will be taking everyone's best shot in 2014, starting with a trio of tough matchups (Packers, at Chargers, Broncos) to open the season. The Seahawks have a grueling stretch to close out the season as well, with road games at San Francisco, Philadelphia and Arizona in addition to home tilts with the 49ers and Rams.


My takes-
Rams-
This is a better team than a lot of people give them credit for. It stinks being the last team in the NFC west (arguably the best division in the NFL) and because of that they fly under the radar. They have a "good" defense, personally I think this team is a couple good players (and a QB) from being a playoff team. But with the way the other teams are playing they might have to wait awhile.

I see them going 5-11, that mid season stretch for them, between week 6-11 is BRUTAL. Good luck

Cardinals-
These guys surprised me last year. I thought when they picked up Palmer that they were going to be the bottom of the divsion, turns out I was wrong. With a playoff run ending in the fashion that I did for them last year I expect this team to come out with a bang (hopefully with a new RB as well). I feel their success is going to depend on how the draft goes this year, if they find some defensive playmakers they will be dangerous.

I see this team going 8-8, I don't trust Palmer to get it done for them, not to mention those last 6 games should be tough (minus Atlanta)

Seattle-
First off, be warned this might be a biased take. I don't expect Seattle to have the defensive power that they did last year. Not to mention I'm betting that some offensive coordinator out there has been spending this off season trying to figure out how to take apart their secondary. Hopefully he figures it out after Sherman signs that contract I've been hearing about. Realistically, this schedule seems somewhat tough... I don't expect them to win the division this year though.

I see this team going 12-4, I have them losing to us twice , then to the Broncos (hopefully), and in KC/Car (I think they will lose one of those)

I also posted this thread as a way to discuss NFC West teams schedules, not to bash or talk about conspiracy crap like I've seen on other forums.

Final Standings

1. 49ers- 13-3
2. Seattle- 12-4
3. Cards- 8-8
4. Rams- 5-11



I'm happy now.
[ Edited by Quest4six on Jul 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM ]
Originally posted by Quest4six:

Relax before you get an episode old man, jesus.


I'm not bashing you or the thread, just simply thought it should get moved/merged












first of all, great contribution, very nice work....


but you've already answered the riddle, you already know how great my post was, you just don't get it yet.....
I see this season as a race between the Niners and Seahawks. The team that wins the Division will likely win the Super Bowl.

I don't think the Hawks would win a playoff game at Levy Stadium and don't feel confident the Niners would win a playoff game in Seattle. So gotta win the division to ensure that any potential playoff game between hawks and Niners will be at Levi Stadium.
Originally posted by tondiman:
Guys...honestly....15-1 in one of the most stacked divisions in NFL history?!

Kap
Crabtree
Boldin
Johnson
Davis
Lloyd
Patton
Ellington
Gore
Lattimore
Hyde


yep 15-1...can't stop our offense this year
49ers 12-4
hawks 12-4
cards 9-7
rams 7-9



yup, me too thl, and we win it on either points against or however they figure it. Once again we split home and home. How do they figure it?

Most interesting thing of the new season will be to see how SEAttle's holding CBs and Ss works out with the refs. Niners weren't the only team in the league to be hacked off about it. And Sherman, good as he is, holds like a dam wrestler. I think his top #1 or #2 CB slot would knock him down several slots if he couldn't hold. Still great but holds like a cheater...which he and the other DBs are. Just like Peter the Cheater.
I really hate to say this, but I have the Niners dropping (on paper, and mostly because our division is so good).

1. Seattle
2. Arizona
3. Niners - Somewhere around 10 wins like AZ last season.
4. StL - 9-7

Injury to Bowman, Smith can't get his head right, our secondary doesn't look too good on paper... It looks like we're going to give up more points and have to rely on our offense. The problem with that is our "upgraded" receiving core isn't really upgraded... Brandon Lloyd has been out of the game and Stevie Johnson disappoints more often than people realize.

Our division is crazy strong defensively, with some of the best DLs in the game AND the best DBs to boot. Out of all the teams in our division, we're the only team to have gotten worse on defense.

Is it possible our offense ends up becoming some crazy Packers offense? Sure, and I hope it happens. But Roman better dial up some better plays in the red zone. Not to mention the disconnect between HB and the Front Office...
[ Edited by DavidWGibson on Jul 22, 2014 at 2:03 AM ]
Originally posted by DavidWGibson:
I really hate to say this, but I have the Niners dropping (on paper).

1. Seattle
2. Arizona
3. Niners
4. StL

Injury to Bowman, Smith can't get his head right, our secondary doesn't look too good on paper... It looks like we're going to give up more points and have to rely on our offense. The problem with that is our "upgraded" receiving core isn't really upgraded... Brandon Lloyd has been out of the game and Stevie Johnson disappoints more often than people realize.

Our division is crazy strong defensively, with some of the best DLs in the game AND the best DBs to boot. Out of all the teams in our division, we're the only team to have gotten worse on defense.

Is it possible our offense ends up becoming some crazy Packers offense? Sure, and I hope it happens. But Roman better dial up some better plays in the red zone. Not to mention the disconnect between HB and the Front Office...

How is the WR core not upgraded? Regardless of how you feel about Johnson, he's a proven player with multiple 1,000 yard seasons. He's a career #1 wideout who is now our #3. That's an incredible luxury. Patton will improve on his rookie year. Ellington is getting rave reviews. We begin the season with a healthy Boldin and Crab. Again, how on earth is the WR core NOT upgraded?

Our division is crazy overrated defensively IMO. Sure, the Seahawks and 49ers are legit defensively, but AZ and STL are getting way overhyped. Let's break it down:

AZ just lost what made their defense special...the ILB duo of Dansby and Washington. Dansby is in Cleveland, and Washington is suspended for the year. Taking their place is Larry Foote and Kevin Minter. They're also depending on a 36 year old John Abraham to provide most of the pass rush. Yikes.

STL's defense has a strong d-line....and that's it. The LBs and secondary are very inconsistent. Robert Quinn was the only starter on STL that graded out positively in PFFs ratings. Now they hire Greg Williams to install his ultra aggressive blitzing defense. Want to take a guess which 2 QBs had the highest QB rating against the blitz last year? Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson. Uh-oh

This division is still all about the 49ers and Seahawks. They've got the best talent, coaches, quarterbacks, and defenses in the division.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Jul 22, 2014 at 2:30 AM ]
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by DavidWGibson:
I really hate to say this, but I have the Niners dropping (on paper).

1. Seattle
2. Arizona
3. Niners
4. StL

Injury to Bowman, Smith can't get his head right, our secondary doesn't look too good on paper... It looks like we're going to give up more points and have to rely on our offense. The problem with that is our "upgraded" receiving core isn't really upgraded... Brandon Lloyd has been out of the game and Stevie Johnson disappoints more often than people realize.

Our division is crazy strong defensively, with some of the best DLs in the game AND the best DBs to boot. Out of all the teams in our division, we're the only team to have gotten worse on defense.

Is it possible our offense ends up becoming some crazy Packers offense? Sure, and I hope it happens. But Roman better dial up some better plays in the red zone. Not to mention the disconnect between HB and the Front Office...

How is the WR core not upgraded? Regardless of how you feel about Johnson, he's a proven player with multiple 1,000 yard seasons. He's a career #1 wideout who is now our #3. That's an incredible luxury. Patton will improve on his rookie year. Ellington is getting rave reviews. We begin the season with a healthy Boldin and Crab. Again, how on earth is the WR core NOT upgraded?

Our division is crazy overrated defensively IMO. Sure, the Seahawks and 49ers are legit defensively, but AZ and STL are getting way overhyped. Let's break it down:

AZ just lost what made their defense special...the ILB duo of Dansby and Washington. Dansby is in Cleveland, and Washington is suspended for the year. Taking their place is Larry Foote and Kevin Minter. They're also depending on a 36 year old John Abraham to provide most of the pass rush. Yikes.

STL's defense has a strong d-line....and that's it. The LBs and secondary are very inconsistent. Robert Quinn was the only starter on STL that graded out positively in PFFs ratings. Now they hire Greg Williams to install his ultra aggressive blitzing defense. Want to take a guess which 2 QBs had the highest QB rating against the blitz last year? Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson. Uh-oh

This division is still all about the 49ers and Seahawks. They've got the best talent, coaches, quarterbacks, and defenses in the division.

What are you breaking down? I said our division has some of the best DLs and DBs.

The Cards had the best DL in the NFL. And Cromartie and Peterson had something like 6th most INTs. I guess Okafor and Acho, who were injured 2013, suck at OLB, though, since you forgot about them... The only question marks they have are at ILB... Too bad you have to throw into their pass defense at some point.

The Rams have a good DL (Quinn AND Long) and a young DB core entering their 3rd(?) year under a great defensive minded HC... But the Rams still fall 4th in our division... Don't know why I'm even responding to this one...

Our LB core is comprised of an injury and a head case, our DBs are downgraded... And no, our WR core is not "upgraded..." Stevie Johnson ONLY had 1000 yard seasons because he was the only receiving target in Buffalo, and Brandon Lloyd is pretty much done with football and a locker room cancer. Just because our #1 and #2 are "healthy," and a 2nd year + rookie are doing well in camp doesn't mean we've "upgraded" our WR core.



I'm just being realistic here. We are in the toughest division in the NFL and the Cards and Rams are only getting better. The Seahawks are just as strong as last season. We seem to be the team in the division that has the most to lose, and we've got injuries, mental health issues, aging core players, an OC that goes full Rainman in the Redzone, and a rift between the HC and front office. If any team is going to implode, it's going to be ours. I think a 10-6 season is about where we'll end up. I hope it's better, but all things considered, I don't think 10-6 is a bad place to be.
[ Edited by DavidWGibson on Jul 22, 2014 at 3:58 AM ]
Originally posted by DavidWGibson:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by DavidWGibson:
I really hate to say this, but I have the Niners dropping (on paper).

1. Seattle
2. Arizona
3. Niners
4. StL

Injury to Bowman, Smith can't get his head right, our secondary doesn't look too good on paper... It looks like we're going to give up more points and have to rely on our offense. The problem with that is our "upgraded" receiving core isn't really upgraded... Brandon Lloyd has been out of the game and Stevie Johnson disappoints more often than people realize.

Our division is crazy strong defensively, with some of the best DLs in the game AND the best DBs to boot. Out of all the teams in our division, we're the only team to have gotten worse on defense.

Is it possible our offense ends up becoming some crazy Packers offense? Sure, and I hope it happens. But Roman better dial up some better plays in the red zone. Not to mention the disconnect between HB and the Front Office...

How is the WR core not upgraded? Regardless of how you feel about Johnson, he's a proven player with multiple 1,000 yard seasons. He's a career #1 wideout who is now our #3. That's an incredible luxury. Patton will improve on his rookie year. Ellington is getting rave reviews. We begin the season with a healthy Boldin and Crab. Again, how on earth is the WR core NOT upgraded?

Our division is crazy overrated defensively IMO. Sure, the Seahawks and 49ers are legit defensively, but AZ and STL are getting way overhyped. Let's break it down:

AZ just lost what made their defense special...the ILB duo of Dansby and Washington. Dansby is in Cleveland, and Washington is suspended for the year. Taking their place is Larry Foote and Kevin Minter. They're also depending on a 36 year old John Abraham to provide most of the pass rush. Yikes.

STL's defense has a strong d-line....and that's it. The LBs and secondary are very inconsistent. Robert Quinn was the only starter on STL that graded out positively in PFFs ratings. Now they hire Greg Williams to install his ultra aggressive blitzing defense. Want to take a guess which 2 QBs had the highest QB rating against the blitz last year? Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson. Uh-oh

This division is still all about the 49ers and Seahawks. They've got the best talent, coaches, quarterbacks, and defenses in the division.

What are you breaking down? I said our division has some of the best DLs and DBs.

The Cards had the best DL in the NFL. And Cromartie and Peterson had something like 6th most INTs. I guess Okafor and Acho, who were injured 2013, suck at OLB, though, since you forgot about them... The only question marks they have are at ILB... Too bad you have to throw into their pass defense at some point.

The Rams have a good DL (Quinn AND Long) and a young DB core entering their 3rd(?) year under a great defensive minded HC... But the Rams still fall 4th in our division... Don't know why I'm even responding to this one...

Our LB core is comprised of an injury and a head case, our DBs are downgraded... And no, our WR core is not "upgraded..." Stevie Johnson ONLY had 1000 yard seasons because he was the only receiving target in Buffalo, and Brandon Lloyd is pretty much done with football and a locker room cancer. Just because our #1 and #2 are "healthy," and a 2nd year + rookie are doing well in camp doesn't mean we've "upgraded" our WR core.

I'm just being realistic here. We are in the toughest division in the NFL and the Cards and Rams are only getting better. The Seahawks are just as strong as last season. We seem to be the team in the division that has the most to lose, and we've got injuries, mental health issues, aging core players, an OC that goes full Rainman in the Redzone, and a rift between the HC and front office. If any team is going to implode, it's going to be ours. I think a 10-6 season is about where we'll end up. I hope it's better, but all things considered, I don't think 10-6 is a bad place to be.

What am I breaking down? I thought I made that pretty clear, but I'll try and make it easier..

Your quote:

"Our division is crazy strong defensively, with some of the best DLs in the game AND the best DBs to boot. Out of all the teams in our division, we're the only team to have gotten worse on defense."

My response:

AZ lost key talent to their Front 7, STL is very inconsistent at LB and in the secondary. That's just fact. Your claim that we got worse on defense and everyone got better is just pure conjecture at this point.

It's also comical you refer to the Cards passing defense as something to be feared, yet we torched them through the air in both games. They have the worst LB core in the division by far and will struggle to generate pressure. Karlos Dansby and Daryl Washington were VITAL to their succes on defense last year. They're BOTH GONE. So please, tell me how they got better. Because strengthening the secondary at the expense of the Front 7 is never a good trade-off. If you can't pressure and collapse the pocket, it doesn't matter who's back in the secondary. Even Seattle's secondary, as great as they are, are dependent on the deep pass rush rotation they have. AZ doesn't have that.

You're also clearly undervaluing the talent level on this team, ignoring proven production and facts. I'm reading a lot of dislike for the player personally, and not a lot of evaluation of their actual skill level. Last year we started with Boldin, Kyle Wiliams, and Marlon Moore. This year we start with Boldin-Crabtree-Johnson. If you honestly cannot see the upgrade there, then you're not worth talking to.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Jul 22, 2014 at 4:29 AM ]
Originally posted by Niners816:
SF 13-3
Sea 11-5
Stl 8-8
Ari 7-9

I think ari takes a step back, stl shows improvement but still has some ways to go. SF and Sea still class of the division.

I see it a little different, I think palmer becomes more comfortable as Fitzgerald will cause all kinds of issues for Sherman and Arizona's D will do the same thing as last year and almost completely stop everything.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
This year we start with Boldin-Crabtree-Johnson. If you honestly cannot see the upgrade there, then you're not worth talking to.

Good. Stop talking to me.

You downplay the talent on both the Cards and the Rams when basically every expert agrees they've improved.