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Running Back Situation
Running Back Situation
May 17, 2014 at 8:09 PM
- ElephantHaley
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Gimmie Kendall Hunter anyday over LMJ. In Fact I think Hunter should be the starter. I believe teams would FEAR Hunter more then they do gore due to Gores age and wear & tear. I just like the way Hunter hits the Holes.
May 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM
- toppdogg32
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I think we trade LMJ to Eagles, or to a team that has a bad injury at RB. I see it happening around trainin g camp, as we wanna make sure before we trade him, we dont have an injured rback..
May 17, 2014 at 8:58 PM
- JDMathews49ers
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I'm no cap guru but I do believe the cap is climbing tremendously next year. Every article I've read about the cap situation next year has basically said that Iupati will more than likely be the odd man out. Remember, Aldon gets a 5th year in 2015, so they don't have to resign him until the 2016 season. I think they will be able to carry Crabs, Boldin, and Johnson in 2015.
As for as the RB position, no one is trading for Hunter with 1 year left on his contract...unless he signs an extension. I truly believe that LMJ will be traded sometime soon, despite with Baalke says. I also believe this will be Hunter's last year as a 49ers and there's nothing wrong with that. I like Hunter like most on this site but he is not a 3 down back. He really needs to improve his pass blocking but he will provide any team in the league another option in the backfield. Remember guys, Hunter went out in 2012 with an ACL injury (he was have a great year) and from what I saw, it took him a few weeks to get back to form this year. He also does bring value to ST. I remember him returning kicks in 2012 before his injury.
For as LMJ...he's a good kick returner, not great, but he really struggles fielding punts. I don't if anyone else noticed but he doesn't catch punts cleanly. I'm always on edge when he's fielding a punt. Still, with 2 years on his contract, I can see a few teams giving up at least a 5th round pick for him in the 2015 draft.
As for as the RB position, no one is trading for Hunter with 1 year left on his contract...unless he signs an extension. I truly believe that LMJ will be traded sometime soon, despite with Baalke says. I also believe this will be Hunter's last year as a 49ers and there's nothing wrong with that. I like Hunter like most on this site but he is not a 3 down back. He really needs to improve his pass blocking but he will provide any team in the league another option in the backfield. Remember guys, Hunter went out in 2012 with an ACL injury (he was have a great year) and from what I saw, it took him a few weeks to get back to form this year. He also does bring value to ST. I remember him returning kicks in 2012 before his injury.
For as LMJ...he's a good kick returner, not great, but he really struggles fielding punts. I don't if anyone else noticed but he doesn't catch punts cleanly. I'm always on edge when he's fielding a punt. Still, with 2 years on his contract, I can see a few teams giving up at least a 5th round pick for him in the 2015 draft.
May 17, 2014 at 9:08 PM
- toppdogg32
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I think we trade LMJ to Eagles, or to a team that has a bad injury at RB. I see it happening around trainin g camp, as we wanna make sure before we trade him, we dont have an injured rback..
May 17, 2014 at 9:35 PM
- Youngone
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Originally posted by ElephantHaley:I still cannot figure out WHY the 49ers drafted LMJ when Kendall Hunter was already on the roster?? Made no sense then and even worse sense now. Baalke needs to trade LMJ for a 4th or 5th or 6th round pick or just flat out release him. He's literally useless to the 49ers.
Ye of short term memory. We drafted him because Hunter tore his Achilles. And I believe frank had a hip injury. And he's not useless, he actually did well in the return game last year in comparison to the rest of the league.
[ Edited by Youngone on May 17, 2014 at 9:37 PM ]
May 17, 2014 at 10:33 PM
- znk916
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Originally posted by Youngone:
Ye of short term memory. We drafted him because Hunter tore his Achilles. And I believe frank had a hip injury. And he's not useless, he actually did well in the return game last year in comparison to the rest of the league.
sorry wrong on both counts, Hunter tore his achilles during LMJ's rookie season, which is why LMJ even got to play, and Gore broke his hip the year before Harbs got here and Hunter was drafted
Anyways, I think Hunter is more likely to be traded because:
- Hunter is closer to FA and will cost more to keep since he's proven as a quality NFL running back
- LMJ can return punts (even if none of us trusts him) and our only other likely options are Cox (who we cut last year at one point and might not even make the team) and Ellington (who was a backup punt returner in college, so he only had 3 returns for 16 yds to his credit)
May 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM
- Kolohe
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Originally posted by DVDA:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by DVDA:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Scoots:
I'll say it again here ... cut Gore now.
What would be the benefit of that?? Not only has he been the workhorse for the 49ers at RB, he's been a team leader, a inspiration to the team, see Marcus Lattimore.
And I say this....EXTEND Gore now!!!
As far as LMJ or Hunter, I would choose Hunter. I think Hunter sees the field better than LMJ, and he's got more of a second gear, he doesn't dance a lot like LMJ. Plus I like Hunters on-field speed more, when Hunter hits the gaps, he turns on the jets.
You're insane, the dude is old and even slower than he was before. He's not worth the salary he's making right now.
Well see if I'm insane when the time comes. "Slower than ever", that's a joke, not sure you know this, but not all RB's are burners, Kendall Hunter has 10x's the speed of Gore, you don't see him running away from everyone. "Slower than ever", he still managed 1100 yards with 9TD's 4.1 y/a, Marshawn Lynch 1252 yards with 12 TD's 4.2 y/a and Gore is 3 years older. Lynch averages 78 yards a game while Gore averages 70 yards per game, again Gore is 3 years older.
Name a running back who wouldn't be a 1000 yard rusher behind the 49ers offensive line... Gore is a solid running back, but he's not a special back anymore. The 49ers would be better off with a solid chunk of cap space and a committee approach assuming everyone makes it through the preseason healthy.
That's not the argument at hand is it?? You're claiming that he's old and slow, who said anything about a RB who wouldn't be able to rush for a 1,000??
And how would you know the 9ers would be better off without Gore, you have all this glimpses of a starter in back of Gore but beyond that it's unknown if the 9ers have a capable every-down RB. And what would it save now, he's only got one-year left on his contract?? Nice to know that you would just axe one of the leaders on the 49ers.....glad you're not the GM. Don't know if you've seen what happen in 2004 when the 9ers got rid of all their veterans and proven starters.
May 18, 2014 at 12:47 AM
- BrianGO
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Originally posted by Clarity:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Hunter is far better than James. Cut the guy who contributes less.
This.
And let me demonstrate why with no talk and just tape.
Here's Kendall Hunter vs real NFL defenses.
Here's LaMichael James vs a few backup and starting NFL defenses.
Obviously Hunter has better stats but overall Kendall Hunter is a better player.
Right now Lattimore and Hyde are trying to just get some cracks at the backup position.
It's not like Kendall Hunter is losing it all of a sudden.
James will be out by training camp.
There are a couple issues here.
- LMJ has not received nearly as many carries as Hunter, therefore his highlight reel has had fewer opportunities to accumulate impressive runs.
- Even if Hunter is a better running back, does that make him a better player for our team? Do we need FOUR good running backs? Or is it better to have three good running backs, plus another back who can return kicks?
LMJ has had some very impressive runs in the very few opportunities he has had in games. He is a talented player too. He offers a scat back element which is in contrast to the bigger, more classic running back, who we have FOUR of. He also offers ability to return kicks, which Hunter is not as good at.
I think it makes more sense to keep LMJ, because what he offers us is more DIFFERENT from the rest of our four running backs.
[ Edited by BrianGO on May 18, 2014 at 12:48 AM ]
May 18, 2014 at 12:56 AM
- LVJay
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by LVJay:
In LMJ's defense, he'll be better off on a team that doesn't have 27 RBs like we do.
49ers trade him to the Brownies (they'll do it for a 5th rounder, they're desperate for offensive play makers)... making life easier for Hoyer/Manziel.
I'm hoping it plays out like that. And if we can trade him for a 5th, even better. It's hard to believe there wouldn't be SOME interest in LaMichael James. Isn't Minnesota supposed to be looking for a back behind Adrian Peterson? Even though Peterson is the guy, James could get about 5 or so carries a game on a regular basis, which would be about 500% better than what he gets here. He also could also provide depth as a returner behind Cordarelle Patterson.
What's funny is that IF we do trade James and Gore retires this year, I can see us drafting ANOTHER running back next year (because I highly doubt Kendall Hunter will resign with us).
LMJ or Hunter to Vikings would be good for them. However, I hope neither end up with an NFC team / AFC team that we could possibly meet in the playoffs or SB... ship them to teams like Brownies or London Shaguars
I suggested the Jaguars during the draft as a possible landing spot. Who do they have there anyway now that MJD is gone? Hunter definitely would be a better fit, but I'd rather hold onto him and let the contract play out. I guess it all really depends on how the competition at KR/PR goes this summer. Bruce Ellington really is only the guy to challenge LaMichael James. Perrish Cox apparently could not win the job last year and I doubt he'd be able to do it this year. I know we've tried Kendall Hunter as a kick returner a little. I wonder if he will be given more reps at that spot during TC as well as Darryl Morris. Anything to give us more flexibility and allow us to trade James without having concerns at the critical returner position.
Baalke was unpredictable in the draft, maybe he'll continue to be unpredictable when it's time to trim the roster... no one should be content / complacent.
May 18, 2014 at 5:58 AM
- Youngone
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Originally posted by znk916:Originally posted by Youngone:Ye of short term memory. We drafted him because Hunter tore his Achilles. And I believe frank had a hip injury. And he's not useless, he actually did well in the return game last year in comparison to the rest of the league.
sorry wrong on both counts, Hunter tore his achilles during LMJ's rookie season, which is why LMJ even got to play, and Gore broke his hip the year before Harbs got here and Hunter was drafted
Anyways, I think Hunter is more likely to be traded because:
- Hunter is closer to FA and will cost more to keep since he's proven as a quality NFL running back
- LMJ can return punts (even if none of us trusts him) and our only other likely options are Cox (who we cut last year at one point and might not even make the team) and Ellington (who was a backup punt returner in college, so he only had 3 returns for 16 yds to his credit)
Ha, I stand corrected.
May 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM
- Phil
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James should walk. Doesn't want to be here and complains in public, online.
May 18, 2014 at 2:24 PM
- cciowa
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Originally posted by Phil:
James should walk. Doesn't want to be here and complains in public, online.
that is really the bottom line
May 18, 2014 at 2:34 PM
- NickSh49
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Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
Originally posted by Scoots:
I'll say it again here ... cut Gore now.
Youre crazy.
He still has value not only as a runner but as a great pass blocker.
Gore, Hunter, Lattimore, Hyde for Week 1.
It's not that complicated.
May 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM
- Niners816
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Originally posted by NickSh49:Gore, Hunter, Lattimore, Hyde for Week 1.
It's not that complicated.
^^^this....I really don't see a way james breaks camp with us, unless Ellington gets hurt or proves to be a real poor returner. Of course this is contingent on no other back getting hurt in camp.
[ Edited by Niners816 on May 18, 2014 at 2:38 PM ]
May 18, 2014 at 4:38 PM
- NickSh49
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Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by Youngone:
Ye of short term memory. We drafted him because Hunter tore his Achilles. And I believe frank had a hip injury. And he's not useless, he actually did well in the return game last year in comparison to the rest of the league.
sorry wrong on both counts, Hunter tore his achilles during LMJ's rookie season, which is why LMJ even got to play, and Gore broke his hip the year before Harbs got here and Hunter was drafted
Anyways, I think Hunter is more likely to be traded because:
- Hunter is closer to FA and will cost more to keep since he's proven as a quality NFL running back
- LMJ can return punts (even if none of us trusts him) and our only other likely options are Cox (who we cut last year at one point and might not even make the team) and Ellington (who was a backup punt returner in college, so he only had 3 returns for 16 yds to his credit)
I think Hunter's talent keeps him on the roster over LMJ, easy. They'll figure out PR. They always do.