Pre-Camp 53 Roster Prediction

Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
53-Man Roster Projection (As of July, 30th, 2014)

I would be pissed if Costanzo made the team over Moody. I do not think that will happen.

I think they brought in Costanzo to guage the progress made by Moody and Skov. But we want to get younger. Moody has so much more athleticism and versatility.

Other than that I would cut Dobbs for Cox. I know 7 CBs is a lot, but I think Cox is needed more than Dobbs. Plus Cox is good on ST/NB and as a return man.

Damn man no pleasing you JH. BTW Can I have a job? Please, .

Seriously though, Dobbs would be there till Ian gets back. I thought of Cox over Acker.

Costanzo is a stud ST Ace, I like him more than Moody, but that's just me. Oh, and btw,

And again, Please, can I have a job oh great one,

Originally posted by AmpLee:
My changes in bold. I think only one of Costanzo, Osgood, or Ventrone makes it. We should have a very solid ST and really only need one guy to lead the group. Lloyd has a lot left in the tank and will be insurance should a major injury occur to Crabs or Boldin. I think Moody has equal the ST value of Costanzo, but has more potential to be a positional player. I don't think Dobbs will make it regardless of Okoye. We have a lot of depth on the D-line and the only we we hold onto 7 is if Okoye forces us to do so. It's my hope he does, as he has tremendous athletic potential, as well as ST value.

I went with Dobbs cause of experience, he knows the system since his rookie year. I wouldn't be mad if Okoye made it. But he probably ends up cut once Ian comes back.

I just see 2 at least making it of the 3 ST Aces. But that's me.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
53-Man Roster Projection (As of July, 30th, 2014)

I would be pissed if Costanzo made the team over Moody. I do not think that will happen.

I think they brought in Costanzo to guage the progress made by Moody and Skov. But we want to get younger. Moody has so much more athleticism and versatility.

Other than that I would cut Dobbs for Cox. I know 7 CBs is a lot, but I think Cox is needed more than Dobbs. Plus Cox is good on ST/NB and as a return man.

Damn man no pleasing you JH. BTW Can I have a job? Please, .

Seriously though, Dobbs would be there till Ian gets back. I thought of Cox over Acker.

Costanzo is a stud ST Ace, I like him more than Moody, but that's just me. Oh, and btw,

And again, Please, can I have a job oh great one,

Again I think it is good. Just the 2 changes I would have. Its going to be very interesting.

Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

53-Man Roster Projection (As of July, 30th, 2014)

I would be pissed if Costanzo made the team over Moody. I do not think that will happen.

I think they brought in Costanzo to guage the progress made by Moody and Skov. But we want to get younger. Moody has so much more athleticism and versatility.

Other than that I would cut Dobbs for Cox. I know 7 CBs is a lot, but I think Cox is needed more than Dobbs. Plus Cox is good on ST/NB and as a return man.

Damn man no pleasing you JH. BTW Can I have a job? Please, .

Seriously though, Dobbs would be there till Ian gets back. I thought of Cox over Acker.

Costanzo is a stud ST Ace, I like him more than Moody, but that's just me. Oh, and btw,

And again, Please, can I have a job oh great one,

Again I think it is good. Just the 2 changes I would have. Its going to be very interesting.

Based off of your projected roster, who would get cut when Aldon gets back from his suspension? I could see someone like Dobbs getting cut/traded

Originally posted by jordanroberts88:
Based off of your projected roster, who would get cut when Aldon gets back from his suspension? I could see someone like Dobbs getting cut/traded

Tough one.

Probably Dobbs and Acker for Ian and Aldon would be my guess.

Here''s my argument for cutting Lloyd. Not because I don't like Lloyd, cause his salary cap figure is higher than a Osgood.

Brandon Lloyd would have a $1.05M salary cap number for 2014, guaranteed once week 1 hits, Osgood $590,000 also guaranteed week 1.

Now everyone, including myself wants an extension, preferably Crabtree. But if he does get one, or anyone else, and gets a 2014 bump, then it will be a numbers game, not positional wise, but $$$ wise. Teams want a minimum of $5M in cap room for any possible signings, either extensions, or injury replacements(Hope it doesn't happen).

I believe if someone gets an extension, then guys like Lloyd, Snyder, and Dobbs, who all make over $1M in salary cap and cash, are expendable. We need to be safe, and have cap room lying around in case of emergencies. All teams want that $5M minimum, not all get it, but we can, and should.. All great teams should have extra cap room, and not rely on restructures, as they just eat up future cap dollars. Luckly we are ok for 2016-2020,, but 2015 is tough, over $5M over the 2015 cap.

So for anyone who says "The salaries won't play a factor in Osgood vs Lloyd or other battles" Think again, It will, it happens all over the NFL.

^^^ AB, I swear, I go back and forth on this one daily. Daily. The negatives are his cap #'s...as is his age (33)...as is his inability to be a top 3 WR over a "starter" in Osgood on ST as the team's #1 gunner...as is his inability to block down field in our system...as is his inability to go up and get the ball at the high point every time (like the Cook INT)...his history of being a pain in the ass if he's not getting served, etc. The good side is what he can bring as an experienced veteran if a WR goes down...we're running more 3 and 4 WR sets...the ability to study hard and teach other WR's and DB's...his play making abiity...the versatility to run him from all 3 WR sets...the ability to slip around press coverage, etc.

Originally posted by NCommand:
^^^ AB, I swear, I go back and forth on this one daily. Daily. The negatives are his cap #'s...as is his age (33)...as is his inability to be a top 3 WR over a "starter" in Osgood on ST as the team's #1 gunner...as is his inability to block down field in our system...as is his inability to go up and get the ball at the high point every time (like the Cook INT)...his history of being a pain in the ass if he's not getting served, etc. The good side is what he can bring as an experienced veteran if a WR goes down...we're running more 3 and 4 WR sets...the ability to study hard and teach other WR's and DB's...his play making abiity...the versatility to run him from all 3 WR sets...the ability to slip around press coverage, etc.

Reading that Lloyd is making a statement on the practice field is really going to create a problem for the team unless there are injuries! With Crabtree, Boldin and Johnson as locks, and Patton and Ellison being really good young guys to develop...do they keep Lloyd? Six WRs on the 53 roster? They kept five last year but that was with Crabtree slotted to come back midyear. With more three or four WR sets I would think they will carry an extra WR or two...with TE and FB being limited and filled by DLmen as in the past. Also, with the injuries to Hunter and James it may make it easier to limit the number of RBs they keep on the 53.

I don't envy the team trying to cut down to 53 because we're going to lose some excellent talent and potential.

I think we're going to have to sacrifice some of the ST aces and trust in the younger players and rookies to come through. I think Cox, Moody and Okoye will likely make the 53 with Okoye being the most likely that we expose to waivers if we need to keep another ST ace.

Damn it's hard.

Originally posted by Buchy:
I don't envy the team trying to cut down to 53 because we're going to lose some excellent talent and potential.

I think we're going to have to sacrifice some of the ST aces and trust in the younger players and rookies to come through. I think Cox, Moody and Okoye will likely make the 53 with Okoye being the most likely that we expose to waivers if we need to keep another ST ace.

Damn it's hard.

While I agree it may be difficult, we've seen how injuries take care of the numbers issue for the most part. A crowded backfield is now managable. If a WR is injured then they are down to five locks and camp fodder...unless someone surprises. DL are apt to be dinged up and if one agrees to go on IR or PS then they will keep their depth. Okoye may wind up on PS again this year and other teams will be hesitant to take a guy who has never played competitive football.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Tough one.

Probably Dobbs and Acker for Ian and Aldon would be my guess.

I like keeping Dobbs as he did very well as a rookie playing next to A Smith. They seemed to have some chemistry. But it is a numbers game and he may be the odd guy out. The good news to me is that the first four DEs on your list seem to be locks and when Ian comes back they will have two very able NTs as well. The others will sort themselves out.

It'll be next to impossible for Lloyd to make the team if he doesn't beat out Johnson for the #3 WR job. If a #4 or 5 or 6 WR dresses, they gotta play special teams, which Lloyd doesn't.

Originally posted by kap2crab:
It'll be next to impossible for Lloyd to make the team if he doesn't beat out Johnson for the #3 WR job. If a #4 or 5 or 6 WR dresses, they gotta play special teams, which Lloyd doesn't.

With Patton and Ellington able to return kicks I'm not sure this is true. If he doesn't dress so be it. He's an extra body each week to guard against injury. It just depends on how many WRs are kept. Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington and Lloyd make six...which is not abnormal for many teams. But you are correct in pointing out the need for versatility. I believe some starters actually played special teams last year.

Updated for Injuries.


Ill take another shot at it. Starters are bolded.

I included my little thoughts/predictions on the year.

Offense (24)

QB: (2)
C. Kaepernick - The Franchise
B. Gabbert - Too much Guaranteed money for him not to be the backup.

RB: (3)
F. Gore - Should see reduced role, but still a very effective back, and one of the best blocking RBs in the NFL.
C. Hyde - Will see short yardage carries this year, if Gore declines, he could see himself starting or splitting time with Gore/Hunter.
L. James - Remains with the team. Our top KR and PR. I predict a few more touches on Offense this year too.


FB: (1)
B. Miller - Running game never was the same after BRUUUCE went out. Glad to have him back 100%.

TE: (3)
V. Davis - in 6 months nobody will remember this holdout. I predict another solid year.
V. McDonald -I see him making huge strides in year 2.
D. Carrier - H-Back type player. I see him beating out Celek, due to his athleticism.

WR: (7)
M. Crabtree - If he stays healthy this could be his first pro-bowl year.
A. Boldin - I expect AB to have a season much like last year.
S. Johnson - Will thrive in his slot role. Could also rotate with Crab/AB on the outside to keep them fresh.
Q. Patton - I think he will improve greatly over last year. Very talented. Needs to stay healthy.
B. Lloyd - Makes the team and contributes.
B. Ellington - Contributes on special teams as a KR and backup PR. I do not expect much this year.
K. Osgood - ST stud. Wins the final spot for his ST ability. Lloyd/Baldwin possibly could be brought back mid-season if needed.

OT: (3)
J. Staley - Most underrated tackle in the NFL.
A. Davis - Another solid year.
J. Martin - Makes the team as swing tackle.

OG: (3)
M. Iupati - Last year in the red/gold. He will make it count.
A. Boone - Gets an extension and has a good year.
J. Looney - Iupati's possible replacement.

C: (2)
M. Martin - Wins starting job. This is the year to do it too, with the O-line still intact. Next year would not be ideal for him to take over as we will have a new LG as well.
D. Kilgore - Can play G/C and an extra FB.

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Defense: (26)

DE: (5)
J. Smith - Last year as a 49er. I think he will finish strong.
R. McDonald - Solid year. I think he will rotate more than usual with our depth.
T. Carradine - Contributes right away on Nickel down. Will be full time starter in 2015.
T. Jerod-Eddie - Solid rotational player. Can also play NT.
L. Okoye - Too much of a physical freak to not keep him around.

NT: (1)
Q. Dial - Injuries to Dorsey and Williams force him into the starting role. Based off camp reports he is standing out. TJE can rotate with him when needed until Ian Williams makes return around week 6.


OLB: (4)
A. Brooks - Another solid year.
C. Lemonier - I see him putting it all together this year. Could hit the 8-10 sack mark.
D. Skuta - Played better than anyone could of expected in 2013 filling in for Aldon. Great ST player as well.
A. Lynch - Project. Will need a year to mold. Unfortunately cant sit on the practice squad as we would be taken by another team.

MLB: (5)
P. Willis - Will be our rock in the middle, as usual.
M. Wilhoite - I think he will do fine as Bows temporary replacement.
C. Borland - Will rotate with the starters as needed and be a solid ST guy.
N. Moody - Very good ST guy. One of the more athletic LB's just needs to stay healthy.
S. Skov - I see him earning a spot and pushing for PT on ST coverage teams. At least until Bow returns.

CB: (6)
T. Brock - Aggressive. I think he will have a good year.
C. Culliver - Should bounce back and have a good year.
C. Cook - Has the physical tools, now needs the right guidance.
P. Cox - Good CB that has return skill as well.
D. Morris - Very fast. Will be a great ST and Dime CB.
D. Johnson - Great length. Future stud. Inactive most of the year while he learns.


SS: (3)
A. Bethea - Will help us get over Whitner. Great in run support, does not get penalized as much as Whitner.
J. Ward - Will be the Nickel corner, but he is the future at S.
B. Ventrone - I see him beating Osgood out for the final ST specialist spot. He is also a solid Punter Protector.

FS: (2)
E. Reid - I think he will have another Pro-Bowl year.
C. Spillman - Stud ST guy.

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Special Teams: (3)

K: P. Dawson
P: A. Lee
LS: K. McDermott

Inactives (7):
B. Lloyd WR
J. Looney OG
A. Lynch OLB
L. Okoye DE
S. Skov MLB
K. Acker CB
D. Johnson CB

SUSPENDED:
A. Smith - I see him getting a 2-4 game suspension.

PUP/IR:
N. Bowman MLB
K. Hunter RB
G. Dorsey NT
I. Williams NT
M. Lattimore RB
K. Reaser CB
T. Milliard FB
B. Thomas OG
K. Ramsey DE
F. Fonuti OG

PS: (8)
M. Bethel-Thompson QB
J. Hampton RB
C. Bykowski OT
C. Jacobs WR
L. Okoye DE
M. Purcell NT
K. Acker CB
L. McCray S

Only change I would have made is Cox over Acker. I can't see Okoye making the team. There is way too much talent.

Originally posted by ninergold:
Only change I would have made is Cox over Acker. I can't see Okoye making the team. There is way too much talent.

I actually thought I made that change from my last one. Good catch.

I agree on Cox. I think he makes it due to his ST/return skills as well.