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Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:
He will be #3, I think MM is basing it on assumption because SJ haven't click with Kap. SJ got skills and everyone in that FO knows that, that's why they invested a 4th on him. Doubt he'll get cut or take a pay cut..if there's a person who should talked about paycut or A spot in the team it should be Gabbert.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I'm thinking the opposite. Lots of passes to Brandon Lloyd in the last preseason game, made me think they aren't seeing enough out of Lloyd in practice. Giving him more opportunities before deciding on a cut.
They know enough about Stevie to not have to throw him a bunch of balls during a preseason game.
Kap himself did say Stevie was doing a fine job and this is the 1st I've heard of Lloyd bumping Johnson. I can see the logic but recent productivity and film study says otherwise. I have pointed out that I don't think Kap and Stevie aren't the most natural of fits but that they can help each other develop parts of their games that need developing. Once Kap gets timing and instinct in sync with Johnson they should be deadly with Crab VD and Boldin on the field. I have faith because Kap had to get in sync with Boldin as well and he made it happen in short order
Originally posted by WINiner:
And there it is in essence. Stevie is a very instinctual receiver who ad libs depending on the coverage quite a bit. It takes some time to get in sync with that style of player.
Originally posted by matt49er:
Patton, not Stevie Johnson got the first crack as #3 WR, both QP and Ellington played more than Johnson and Lloyd didn't play at all. I'm starting to think the 49ers will release Lloyd & resign him early in the year since his contract states that if he makes the 53, his contract is guaranteed. As for Johnson, I love the potential of having 3 WRs w/1,000 yard seasons on their resume, I like SJ but we maybe seeing the team leaning toward the younger guys and saving his contract $$ for others.
Just for the record, I hope we keep Johnson, I'm just wondering if the signs are pointing towards him not making the team.
Originally posted by thl408:
All the talk about SJ not making the team, or losing out to Patton, is tripping me out. I feel as though he can immensely help this passing attack, but hearing all this talk is giving me some doubt. If there is any bad chemistry between him and Kap with regards to timing on the field, work it out - fast. I can see his salary being an issue next season, but this year, if they cut him, what would they do with the money saved? There's no one to sign or trade for.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Love the trade. When does he get here?
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:This has been my belief too. In fact, Roman sort of confirmed this in his interview the other day when he said, "we don't put numbers on our receivers." However, in addition to what you're saying, I think that Lloyd will make the team as well. Lloyd could be a situational deep threat, Stevie Johnson will see rotational action as a slot receiver, Ellington will primarily serve as a backup / special teams contributor (with maybe a couple of gadget plays mixed in here and there), and Patton may be inactive and a primary backup.
Originally posted by thl408:
All the talk about SJ not making the team, or losing out to Patton, is tripping me out. I feel as though he can immensely help this passing attack, but hearing all this talk is giving me some doubt. If there is any bad chemistry between him and Kap with regards to timing on the field, work it out - fast. I can see his salary being an issue next season, but this year, if they cut him, what would they do with the money saved? There's no one to sign or trade for.
I think Johnson makes the roster but I think the #3 spot won't be locked down by any one receiver, there will be plenty of rotation between Johnson, Patton and Ellington, depending on the situation and the defense they are facing...etc.
Originally posted by thl408:All the talk about SJ not making the team, or losing out to Patton, is tripping me out. I feel as though he can immensely help this passing attack, but hearing all this talk is giving me some doubt. If there is any bad chemistry between him and Kap with regards to timing on the field, work it out - fast. I can see his salary being an issue next season, but this year, if they cut him, what would they do with the money saved? There's no one to sign or trade for.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by thl408:
All the talk about SJ not making the team, or losing out to Patton, is tripping me out. I feel as though he can immensely help this passing attack, but hearing all this talk is giving me some doubt. If there is any bad chemistry between him and Kap with regards to timing on the field, work it out - fast. I can see his salary being an issue next season, but this year, if they cut him, what would they do with the money saved? There's no one to sign or trade for.
I think Johnson makes the roster but I think the #3 spot won't be locked down by any one receiver, there will be plenty of rotation between Johnson, Patton and Ellington, depending on the situation and the defense they are facing...etc.
Originally posted by thl408:
I am either overestimating SJ or underestimating Patton (and I like Patton). The scenario you proposed sounds very reasonable. When SJ was first acquired, I thought he would grab that #3 WR spot by the horns. I hope that the uncertainty of the #3 WR spot is more on Patton having a nice uptick in development and not because SJ hasn't been able to integrate himself into the offense.
SJ stated that the playbook looked like a foreign language to him when he first came to SF. Then Roman said they reduced the verbiage of the playbook, I'm assuming, to help with the newcomers like SJ. Could it be that SJ is not absorbing the playbook as well as the coaches would like?
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
All the talk about SJ not making the team, or losing out to Patton, is tripping me out. I feel as though he can immensely help this passing attack, but hearing all this talk is giving me some doubt. If there is any bad chemistry between him and Kap with regards to timing on the field, work it out - fast. I can see his salary being an issue next season, but this year, if they cut him, what would they do with the money saved? There's no one to sign or trade for.
I'm still sticking to my guns. There is no way they gave up what they gave up and control his salary for 3 years at a reasonable rate without giving him an opportunity in regular season games.
Jim as a coach is just different in his approach to the preseason, I think very little can be read into to their handling of players based on preseason games.