Originally posted by Robert:
Originally posted by theduke85:
So basically, we have:
- one draft that was horrendous (2012)
- two drafts that were great (2011, 2010)
- one draft that is unknown (although Reid looks epic, Lattimore/Tank both have very high ceilings, Patton/McDonald/Lemon all made the roster)
Somehow this warrants "serious criticism?" You need to have an unbelievable cynical view to think that, collectively, those drafts warrant serious criticism. The 2012 draft was unimaginably bad, but overall that's a very good track record.
You also need to consider that a team like the 49ers, oozing with talent, doesn't have the luxury of keeping borderline players on the roster. They're cut because there are better players that will contribute more to the roster. A team like, say, Jacksonville, can stash more players on the roster in hopes of them developing in a year or two.
I'm not sure that we can say today that the 2010 and 2011 were "great" for the team in the long run. It's not just the drafting. It's how you choose to pay those players later. Take Iupati as an example. "Great" pick for a first contract, but you don't use a first round pick on a probowl guy for just a rookie deal. That makes no sense. You spend a first rounder on a guy you expect to pay if he lives up to his potential. Iupati has done everything right since we drafted him. He deserves a top dollar contract, but it does not look like he will get it from us. Why draft a guy, hoping he will be great, then when he is great, let him walk? And before you come back with the "you can't keep them all, because we are just soooo talented" comeback, we have plenty of cap room to sign Iupati right now. But we won't, because Baalke has assigned his mythical "value" to Iupati, and Iupati is valuing himself using a little thing known as "the market". What has Baalke done to earn the trust of fans that his "value" on All Pro players is more correct than the market?
Man not to rip you but......WHAT? First what you're saying about Iupati makes no sense. If you can draft a talent like Mike, you do it and hope to work out a deal later in his career, but we know that's not always possible. Mike is a very good guard but if he walks, I guarantee you the team that pays him will more than likely overpay him. Not overpaying free agents is a very important part of being a GM. Not to mention that if Mike walks, the 49ers will more than likely get a good comp pick for him. So yea you do spend a first round pick for a talent such as Iupati, regardless if you can resign him or not. At the least, you're getting 4 good to great years from him.
Yes the 2012 draft was horrible but Baalke has pretty much nailed his other drafts. I don't know if you're expecting you're going to hit all your picks but that's nearly impossible. Yes Bowman was a great pick and some thought in 2010 he was a reach...how did that turn out? Aldon appears to be a little of an idiot but no one can deny his talent. I went back to BR to look at how they graded that draft and they gave the 49ers a C+ for Aldon. Yes a C+, but the kid has been a force since coming into the league. I can't excuse his DUI's because it speaks of entitlement and a lack of maturation. A lot of young millionaire's struggles with this way of thinking. The so called "bomb threat" is not close to being the issue that it's being made to be. I'm almost certain he will not be charged. The felony gun charges will eventually be plead down to virtually nothing once he modifies his guns to Cali's specifications or he surrenders them. He's going to miss a few games this year and one can argue that he should but Baalke nailed it when it comes to evaluating his talent. Kap appears to be the franchise QB that the 49ers hasn't had in years. Culliver is turning out to be a good pick and you can't hold an injury against the GM. He's got a little bit of idiocy in him but he's yet to do anything horrendous. Hunter has been valuable when he's been healthy and just as with Cully, you can't hold an injury against the GM. Kilgore appears to be in line for a starting spot in the near future. And if we lose Cully and Hunter to free agency...then so be it. That's called business. It's why you 7 draft picks to start every year. You will lose some good talent because of the cap, so you have to replace them. Losing players to other teams for more money isn't an indictment against the GM...the players wanted to get paid, DUH! Oh I forgot who clutch the Bruce Miller pick was. We saw how much Frank missed him in the playoffs.
2013 is a wait to see draft but everyone except you appeared to get that. Reid was a great pick, not to mention, he did not have concussion issues in college. You can't predict something like that, so to hold that against Baalke is insane. Reid said himself that he has to change the way he tackles to protect himself in the future. For all we know, he may never suffer an on-field concussion again. We don't know what we have in Tank yet but if he turns out to replace Cowboy nicely, the 2013 draft grade gets a bump. I still like the McDonald and Lemon picks. Both these guys got great clock, which means they can play. We want both to improve at their respective skill sets next season and if they do, we'll all be like some little school girls. Patton showed us flashes when he was able too, and just like with Cully, Hunter, and Reid, you can't predict an injury. Lets not forget Patton missed 11 games to a foot injury.
Again, I don't know what you're grading Baalke on but he's good in my book. I've completely forgiven him for the 2012 draft and look forward to this year's draft. Lets not forget how Trent works the draft, sliding all over the board acquiring more picks. I fully expect him to get his 8 to 10 guys this year and somehow get an extra 2 picks for next year.
I'm not saying you're doing this but so many of these so-called fans are looking over at what Seattle has done and suddenly wants to gut the 49ers. The season came down to one freaking game and 6 inches. Despite the injuries and struggles on offense, the 49ers were 12-4 and 1 game behind Seattle for homefield. I'm fully in the belief that the 49ers win the NFCCG at Candlestick and then goes on to win 48. Yes they lost 47 but give it to the Ravens for playing an awesome game and not to mention it was just their time.