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Why does Baalke seem get a free pass from serious criticism?
Nov 3, 2014 at 12:49 PM
- 49erfaninAZ
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So I see everyone blaming Roman and Harbaugh and I agre with that. However Balke deserves some of the blame as well. Wasted draft picks on injured guys when our depth is not as good as we thought. No impact skill players drafted on offense (maybe Hyde). I hope someone is getting their a$$ chewed today because if I had this level of performance at my job I wouldn't have a job.
Nov 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM
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Just this year alone he drafted Hyde(2nd string RB) drafted Ellington (starting kr/pr) drafted Ward (starting nickel back) drafted Lynch (pass rush specialist getting plenty of playing time and 1st sack yesterday) D Johnson (pick 6 this season) traded for S Johnson. All these guys are getting considerable playing time and that is not baalkes decision so he must have done something right. Yes some misses of course but to blame him the offensive woes doesnt add up to me
Nov 3, 2014 at 1:04 PM
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Originally posted by teylo31:
Just this year alone he drafted Hyde(2nd string RB) drafted Ellington (starting kr/pr) drafted Ward (starting nickel back) drafted Lynch (pass rush specialist getting plenty of playing time and 1st sack yesterday) D Johnson (pick 6 this season) traded for S Johnson. All these guys are getting considerable playing time and that is not baalkes decision so he must have done something right. Yes some misses of course but to blame him the offensive woes doesnt add up to me
When we don't draft injured/red-shirt defensive guys, we do well. However, take a look at where the O-line was in 2010 and where it is now. Has our talent level or depth on the O-line improved since then?
Nov 3, 2014 at 1:04 PM
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Originally posted by teylo31:Just this year alone he drafted Hyde(2nd string RB) drafted Ellington (starting kr/pr) drafted Ward (starting nickel back) drafted Lynch (pass rush specialist getting plenty of playing time and 1st sack yesterday) D Johnson (pick 6 this season) traded for S Johnson. All these guys are getting considerable playing time and that is not baalkes decision so he must have done something right. Yes some misses of course but to blame him the offensive woes doesnt add up to me
I said drafted offensive skill players. I have no issue with the defense. I mentioned Hyde. Ellington has not done anything special. What about all these past years drafts when those players would be contributing? he drafted James,Jenkins, a broken lattimore, Patton who don't see the field.
Nov 3, 2014 at 1:08 PM
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baalkexcuses
Nov 3, 2014 at 1:09 PM
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Originally posted by rrx1:Originally posted by teylo31:Just this year alone he drafted Hyde(2nd string RB) drafted Ellington (starting kr/pr) drafted Ward (starting nickel back) drafted Lynch (pass rush specialist getting plenty of playing time and 1st sack yesterday) D Johnson (pick 6 this season) traded for S Johnson. All these guys are getting considerable playing time and that is not baalkes decision so he must have done something right. Yes some misses of course but to blame him the offensive woes doesnt add up to me
When we don't draft injured/red-shirt defensive guys, we do well. However, take a look at where the O-line was in 2010 and where it is now. Has our talent level or depth on the O-line improved since then?
Very good point as well.
Nov 3, 2014 at 7:21 PM
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Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:Originally posted by rrx1:Originally posted by teylo31:Just this year alone he drafted Hyde(2nd string RB) drafted Ellington (starting kr/pr) drafted Ward (starting nickel back) drafted Lynch (pass rush specialist getting plenty of playing time and 1st sack yesterday) D Johnson (pick 6 this season) traded for S Johnson. All these guys are getting considerable playing time and that is not baalkes decision so he must have done something right. Yes some misses of course but to blame him the offensive woes doesnt add up to me
When we don't draft injured/red-shirt defensive guys, we do well. However, take a look at where the O-line was in 2010 and where it is now. Has our talent level or depth on the O-line improved since then?
Very good point as well.
Staley, Iupati and Davis pro bowlers and Boone was solid last year and Kilgore(drafted by Baalke) was playing well till he got hurt. When you have that starting lineup your not gonna be drafting 1st round studs on the offensive line that are not gonna start ever. He brought in Looney who has done well. M Martin got his first start as probably tue youngest player in the NFL yesterday so who knows what he will be. With the line we have you pick some late guys who you think will blossom in the future because your starters are your stalwarts
Nov 3, 2014 at 8:36 PM
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Originally posted by rrx1:
When we don't draft injured/red-shirt defensive guys, we do well. However, take a look at where the O-line was in 2010 and where it is now. Has our talent level or depth on the O-line improved since then?
um, of course it has. how is this even a question ?
starting oline in 2010:
LT Staley (0 probowls)
LG Iupati (rookie)
C Baas (first year starting C)
RG Rachal (bum)
RT Davis (rookie)
AD had a very crappy first year in 2010. Baas left for NY and became an average/below average center there. Rachal is out of football after failing to secure a spot on a pathetic bears oline in 2012 and a godawful cards oline in 2013
starting oline in 2014:
LT Staley (multi pro bowler)
LG Iupati (multi pro bowler)
C Kilgore (first year starting C)
RG Boone (played on pro bowl level in 2012 and 2013)
RT Davis
Im not big fan of AD because of inconsistencies, but he has a fat contract and when hes on, he's on. two guys are multi pro bowlers and one shouldve been a pro bowler. the only thin position was center, and we got who people considered the #1 center in the draft. we got jonathan martin for peanuts. what else exactly did baalke need to do ?
Nov 3, 2014 at 8:45 PM
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now Ill agree Baalke needs to be held accountable on defense, specifically secondary. the gamble on Ward looks worse and worse, especially with Verrett playing very well. he should've retained Brown as well for cheap. We desperately need CB help now, not later and all we got is project CBs and Culliver and Brock whose weaknesses are getting exposed. the only dependable CB is Cox
on offense though, I dont see how you can fault Baalke. Yeah LMJ and AJ were busts. but RIGHT NOW, we have a top 5 WR core with 4 WR who have had 1k+ yard years. We have an all-star beast of a TE. We have an oline thought to be a top oline just last year. We have a young promising QB. We have a likely HoF in Gore. We have a top 5 all-around FB in Bruce.
Baalke did his job on offense. On paper this looks like a top 5 offense. It's up to coaches to actually make the individual talent into a machine.
on offense though, I dont see how you can fault Baalke. Yeah LMJ and AJ were busts. but RIGHT NOW, we have a top 5 WR core with 4 WR who have had 1k+ yard years. We have an all-star beast of a TE. We have an oline thought to be a top oline just last year. We have a young promising QB. We have a likely HoF in Gore. We have a top 5 all-around FB in Bruce.
Baalke did his job on offense. On paper this looks like a top 5 offense. It's up to coaches to actually make the individual talent into a machine.
Nov 4, 2014 at 6:34 AM
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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
now Ill agree Baalke needs to be held accountable on defense, specifically secondary. the gamble on Ward looks worse and worse, especially with Verrett playing very well. he should've retained Brown as well for cheap. We desperately need CB help now, not later and all we got is project CBs and Culliver and Brock whose weaknesses are getting exposed. the only dependable CB is Cox
on offense though, I dont see how you can fault Baalke. Yeah LMJ and AJ were busts. but RIGHT NOW, we have a top 5 WR core with 4 WR who have had 1k+ yard years. We have an all-star beast of a TE. We have an oline thought to be a top oline just last year. We have a young promising QB. We have a likely HoF in Gore. We have a top 5 all-around FB in Bruce.
Baalke did his job on offense. On paper this looks like a top 5 offense. It's up to coaches to actually make the individual talent into a machine.
Verrett has been injured off and on pretty much all season, that was the one concern about him and so far he has looked shaky on that front. I don't think there was a bigger proponent for Verrett being drafted than me but I've been iffy on him because of the injury issues.
Verrett sat out Game 4 with a hamstring ailment. That wasn't worrisome, though he missed three games in junior college with a hamstring ailment.
Shoulder injuries are the worry. Where in 2013 he played through a torn labrum in his right shoulder, in Game 6 this season Verrett tore the labrum in his left shoulder. Worse, it's torn in three places including one spot that ex-Chargers doctor David Chao yellow-lighted (in the other shoulder) last March as trickier.
Verrett will need surgery. Considering he was in a no-contact jersey for most of training camp, his preparations to the 2015 season could be limited.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/nov/03/chargers-dolphins-verrett-attaochu/
Verrett seems like one of those guys who will have chronic injury issues.
Ward meanwhile has been improving game after game, he had a rocky start but has been getting better, not anything unexpected when you take a safety from NIU and move him to slot corner which is a position that even seasoned veterans struggle with. This defense just held the Rams to under 200 yards total, Borland was a beast as a 3rd round pick, had a very good game, not exactly sure what the heck people want.
This defense has been replacing players left and right, bye Goldson, bye Whitner, missing 3 of their 4 starting LB's at various times and its still one of the top ranked defense's in the NFL. To be able to still play at a high level after losing All-Pro after All-Pro, after having their top CB out for most of the season, tells me that both the front office and the coaching staff have done a good job in terms of building and coaching up depth.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 4, 2014 at 6:41 AM ]
Nov 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM
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Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
I said drafted offensive skill players. I have no issue with the defense. I mentioned Hyde. Ellington has not done anything special. What about all these past years drafts when those players would be contributing? he drafted James,Jenkins, a broken lattimore, Patton who don't see the field.
Its up to the coaches to play these guys. Neither Ellington nor Patton were going to get any real playing time once Johnson and Lloyd were added.
Lattimore was a worthwhile risk, a 1st round talent taken in the late 4th round, an area of the draft where most of the guys don't last in the league for more than a season or two anyways. I have no problem with swinging for the fences there on a guy that talented.
Nov 4, 2014 at 7:13 AM
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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
on offense though, I dont see how you can fault Baalke. Yeah LMJ and AJ were busts. but RIGHT NOW, we have a top 5 WR core with 4 WR who have had 1k+ yard years. We have an all-star beast of a TE. We have an oline thought to be a top oline just last year. We have a young promising QB. We have a likely HoF in Gore.
Baalke should get credit for drafting Crabtree, Gore and V.Davis? And I think Boldin was a consultation prize for the SB. Im sure someone would've offered a higher draft pick than what we did.
His drafts have done very little in improving us, on offense.
[ Edited by InsertNameHere on Nov 4, 2014 at 7:18 AM ]
Nov 4, 2014 at 7:15 AM
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Originally posted by InsertNameHere:Baalke should get credit for drafting Crabtree, Gore and V.Davis? And I think Boldin was a consultation prize for the SB. Im sure someone would've offered a higher draft pick than what we did.
Nobody did. Minnesota offered a 7th rounder.
Nov 4, 2014 at 7:21 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by InsertNameHere:Baalke should get credit for drafting Crabtree, Gore and V.Davis? And I think Boldin was a consultation prize for the SB. Im sure someone would've offered a higher draft pick than what we did.
Nobody did. Minnesota offered a 7th rounder.
How do you know that?
Nov 4, 2014 at 7:30 AM
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Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
How do you know that?
Because it came out that Baltimore had discussed trading Boldin with a few teams, the best offer prior to the 49ers was Minnesota offering a 7th round pick. People want to make it like some sort of conspiracy between two brothers but it was just good business for both teams. Baltimore was going to have to cut Boldin so getting a 6th rounder for him was a nice pickup, meanwhile the 49ers got a quality veteran WR that could pick up the slack when Crabtree got injured.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/11/vikings-made-a-play-for-anquan-boldin-too/
PFT's Mike Florio, citing a source with knowledge of the discussions, reports the Vikings offered a seventh-round pick to Baltimore for Boldin.
The 49ers, of course, got the deal done with a sixth-rounder, strengthening a pass catching corps that already had quality performers in wide receiver Michael Crabtree and tight end Vernon Davis.