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Why does Baalke seem get a free pass from serious criticism?

3. Denver–San Francisco Denver sent: 63rd, 171st overall picks and a 2015 fourth-rounder San Francisco sent: 56th, 242nd overall picks San Francisco got: 153.6 percent of trade value Want to figure out how the 49ers keep managing to find talent and win football games? Trent Baalke's pretty good at this draft stuff. Had the Niners just swapped 56 and 242 for 63 and 171, they would have won the deal by a tiny margin. Baalke managed to up the ante and get a future fourth-rounder to sweeten the pot, which is pretty nice — even projecting the Broncos as the sixth-best team in football next year, the 49ers would be getting the 126th pick in the draft to improve what was already a solid deal. That's not enough for Baalke, though. He wants your cash AND your jewelry. After making this trade, Baalke sent the 63rd and 171st picks he received from Denver to the Dolphins for the 57th selection. In other words, for trading down one spot and giving up the 242nd selection, Baalke got the 126th pick next year. That's the same selection the 49ers used to grab Dashon Goldson in 2007. They might not do that well again, but it's an asset they can use to trade up or stash away the next Marcus Lattimore or Tank Carradine.

http://grantland.com/features/nfl-draft-michael-sam-gay-trades/
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
It's not about the front office, it's about the roster. It's thin at corner:

Cully -- ACL + charges;
Brock -- Solid;
Wright -- did not look like an everydown player last year -- would not take a hit;
Cox -- cut once, brought back cuz wright in the doghouse;
Morris -- Love the kid, no experience, unknown at slot corner;
Cook -- spotty record in Minn;

This is what we had before the draft. I think this situation warrants 2 high round picks IMO. Love to have two solid studs so we can trade/ps/cut wright or cox and not have to hang our hat on Cook.

If we don't see value at db, then lets go pass rush. A good rush covers for db deficiancies. Ealy, trade up for Easley.

That didn't happen either.

C, OL, RB. Just doesn't make sense to me.

I see it a bit different:

Cully -- ACL + charges - Tore his ACL on August 1st, 2013. Had he not torn his ACL, he was slated to start over Rogers (would have been cut d/t salary); FO had him ranked as one of the top CB's in the game in 2012. He will NOT miss a second on the field d/t "charges."
Brock -- Solid; - Solid? Off the bench he contributed more than both Rogers and Brown in two years combined!
Wright -- did not look like an everydown player last year -- would not take a hit; - Really? Wright was slated to be the #3 going into the playoffs until the bad hammy pull. Why did we cut Cox? B/c Wright outplayed him! Wright was never in the "doghouse."
Cox -- cut once, brought back cuz wright in the doghouse; - Became humbled after getting released by us and Seattle. As a result, played his ass off and was probably our best CB through the playoffs (or 2nd best, at worst).
Morris -- Love the kid, no experience, unknown at slot corner; - Actually, he got some experience last year on the field in the slot. I'm like you in that I love his potential. Just a feeling...
Cook -- spotty record in Minn; - This is fair. From the low-lights it appears he had great positioning, played press well but never once had S help over the top and was facing some of the best WR's in the game (who were making acrobatic catches over him). You can work with his skill set though. It should be fun to watch.

Like I said after the completion of round 3, the talent after Gildbert, Fuller, Verrett, etc. in the first round, dropped off a bit but was very even and deep through rounds 6 IMHO. After Ward, I predicted we'd make a run on CB's (3) later and we'd view them as guys with lots of upside but who need time developing. Obviously, Baalke agreed. Only Ward, the first rounder will push both Wright & Cox for the nickle. Morris will compete in the slot. The rest of the rookies add good size, height, weight, speed, etc. When you look at our entire secondary now, you'll see something you've never seen before: youth, speed, size and versatility (ability to play press, off coverage in our exotic schemes, single high S, blitz, etc.). Also, many of these guys instantly add ST value as returners or in the ST coverage units. In all, IMHO, Fangio is going to have many many many more options for game planning and can easily shift on-the-fly in games.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 12, 2014 at 5:19 PM ]
Culliver was ranked 36 as corner in 2012 behind Brown and Rogers on Football Nation. PFF did rank him #9 in yards per coverage snap.

Wright did not look capable of playing 16 games last year. Gimpy. That's all I can say. I wouldn't hang my hat on him, physically.

Cox was cut. SO obviously there were some issues there.

Brock was good, solid. I didn't mean it as an insult. I can't find his final rankings for 2013. No problem. Good player.

I don't see these guys forming a solid, dependable unit, though of course things could turn out that way.

With all the purported depth in the draft, thought this would be a good opportunity to put some measurables in the competion. Thought that would be a real benefit to our game plan and strategy.

Morris is a wild card and I would love to have this guys speed come through.
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on May 12, 2014 at 6:49 PM ]
Brod, sometime shortly before draft, I read script of Baalke's take on CBs. Basically he said the draft was deep with CBs, but was not that high on the top flite CBs. I either read it or saw it on ESPN for a quick blurb.

Hence, it appears he liked the guys deeper in the draft at CB, where he got value, instead of guys in the top 5-7 picks at CB.
Originally posted by kronik:
Are you saying we should draft other players because other teams rate them high? Maybe, just maybe, our GM and scouts didn't like those players as much as YOU or the other people. Maybe, they like other players more.

Or, are you accusing the team of deliberately drafting crappy players and letting good ones go to other teams?

How about we stick with and support our own scouts and draft board.

He is saying we should have drafted as he wanted.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
The reason we did not move up to get the four CBs you thought were good in the first round is because the Niners did not agree with your opinion. They did not feel the first corners were not as good as you thought they were and they felt that the backfield picks that they chose were better than yours. It is that simple. So with Ward, as their first CB, not their first SS, they felt they had good value and good talent, better than any other first round pick. They could have gotten Gilbert, Dennard, Fuller, Verret if they had wanted to but they didn't. They got the players they wanted, not the players you wanted.


All I'm saying is that in getting the players they wanted or the BPA, they didn't meet our needs to a degree commensurate with those needs.

No, just your needs.
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Thank god you're not our GM

I wish he is an NFL GM.

For Seattle.
Originally posted by pd24:
I don't think any of us can say that Baalke doesn't know how to draft or spot talent when it comes to the secondary.

Culliver
Brock
Reid

Went after Whitner and Rogers in FA.

Let Goldson walk and upgraded.

I think he drafted 1 starter in Ward for sure at safety down the line and I think 1 or 2 of the other CB's pan out.

BrodieBB has been saying this.

BrodieBB thinks he can do better than Baalke as a fan.

I wish Seattle hires him.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by kronik:
Are you saying we should draft other players because other teams rate them high? Maybe, just maybe, our GM and scouts didn't like those players as much as YOU or the other people. Maybe, they like other players more.

Or, are you accusing the team of deliberately drafting crappy players and letting good ones go to other teams?

How about we stick with and support our own scouts and draft board.

It's hilarious. I've been listening to Arizona sports talk radio pretty much all day while working and all the local guys here are sucking off the 49ers for their draft, Baalke is getting so much praise for the picks he made, they're getting lauded for guys like Ward, Hyde, Borland, Martin, Ellington, Johnson.......some of the biggest Cardinals homers imaginable and meanwhile on here you've got people crying about the picks.

How else can you show that you're more knowledgeable than the rest of us?
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Culliver was ranked 36 as corner in 2012 behind Brown and Rogers on Football Nation. PFF did rank him #9 in yards per coverage snap.

Wright did not look capable of playing 16 games last year. Gimpy. That's all I can say. I wouldn't hang my hat on him, physically.

Cox was cut. SO obviously there were some issues there.

Brock was good, solid. I didn't mean it as an insult. I can't find his final rankings for 2013. No problem. Good player.

I don't see these guys forming a solid, dependable unit, though of course things could turn out that way.

With all the purported depth in the draft, thought this would be a good opportunity to put some measurables in the competion. Thought that would be a real benefit to our game plan and strategy.

Morris is a wild card and I would love to have this guys speed come through.

I certainly don't feel you are off your rocker for wanting to upgrade an "unknown" position esp. when the "known" bolted to the bottom feeders. I respect your opinion for sure...at the end of the day, you just want what we all want. We're just saying be patient here and watch what happens. And in the end, if you end up being right, we all lose.

Cully - He plays even more aggressive than Brock. I love that.
Wright - Agree that he is a bit of an unknown. So we'll have to see but clearly, unlike when Rogers and Brown were here, he has a "license" to push for a starting position and a full off season to prepare. Knowing you have a real chance to start is a huge mental change and added motivation.
Cox - I think he got caught in the numbers game and Wright beat him out but it ended up working out as Cox played his heart out AND we ended up signing both he and Wright again. Smart.
Brock - gotcha! This kid has tons of upside and just got better and better and better.
Morris - I'm with you 100% on this one. This kid is not only quick but ultra fast. He is the one I may want covering the Harvin's of the world.
Ward - Super excited about this "12th starter."
Cook and Johnson - How nice will it be to see the opposing WR's get beat up at the LOS for a change?
Keith Reaser (PUP) & Kenneth Acker - Sounds like they have some potential as well.

I think with the added pass rush in Carradine, a more experienced Lemonier, Skuta and perhaps, Lynch coupled with Ian Williams inside (slasher-gap NT), I think this also opens the doors for many more blitzes with Bethea and the rest of the secondary. What I saw in the Seattle game was Fangio dialing up the blitz more. With the added pass rush and rotation/depth, he can feel more free to dial up more aggression on the press and knowing these guys CAN press and won't have to cover long...they just need to ensure we don't get beat over the top (hence Reid and Ward's speed and range).

Last year, we only activated 10 DB's on the active-46. They will be replaced by (X):
Whitner (Bethea)
Reid (Reid)
Brock (Brock)
Brown (Culliver)
Rogers (Ward)
Cox (Cox or Wright)
Spillman (Spillman)
Dahl (Johnson or Cook?)
Morris (Morris)
Ventrone (Ventrone)

We had the 7th rated passing defense last year and we could only play one style of defense...off coverage. So the question is, is Bethea a downgrade over Whitner from last year? Is Culliver a downgrade over Brown last year? And is Ward really a downgrade over Rogers last year? Most would say we're at least equal, right? Maybe better to start with a much higher ceiling d/t age, skill sets, versatility, speed, range, cover abilities, etc.? So even if we brought in Verrett or Fuller or even later, Gaines/Jean-Bastiste, would any of them be significantly better that what we currently have slated to start 2014? And enough to give up the the "clear" top-rated positions of FS, RB, ILB & C as a consequence?
[ Edited by NCommand on May 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by kronik:
Are you saying we should draft other players because other teams rate them high? Maybe, just maybe, our GM and scouts didn't like those players as much as YOU or the other people. Maybe, they like other players more.

Or, are you accusing the team of deliberately drafting crappy players and letting good ones go to other teams?

How about we stick with and support our own scouts and draft board.

It's hilarious. I've been listening to Arizona sports talk radio pretty much all day while working and all the local guys here are sucking off the 49ers for their draft, Baalke is getting so much praise for the picks he made, they're getting lauded for guys like Ward, Hyde, Borland, Martin, Ellington, Johnson.......some of the biggest Cardinals homers imaginable and meanwhile on here you've got people crying about the picks.
Now you got me super curious what they said, LOL. I like what they have built over there as well. They just need a little more work on OL and a stud QB.
Your cash and your jewelry is what Baalke expects
Originally posted by kronik:
Now you got me super curious what they said, LOL. I like what they have built over there as well. They just need a little more work on OL and a stud QB.

19:40 mark.

http://arizonasports.com/?nid=244&a=304849&p=17&n=May%2012,%202014%20-%20Hour:%202




And these two below are probably the biggest Cardinals homers that exist, one of them is Ron Wolfley who played for the Cardinals and does the broadcast for their games.


28:50 mark on this one.

http://www.arizonasports.com/?sid=&nid=244&a=304837
Originally posted by Robert:
If we take a look at Baalke's drafts 2010-2013, the trend is disturbing to say the least.

As it stands now, 2010 was his best draft in terms of long term contribution to the team (Bowman was a great pick; A Davis a gutsy good call, Iupati was an obvious but still good pick).

2011 looked epic before the recent run of legal trouble. A Smith may well have played his last game in a niner uniform. Kaep was a great pick, but everything I have read says that credit for that pick should really go to Harbaugh. Culliver and Hunter likely will be playing in other uniforms after this year. Miller is the only pick that has worked out.

The 2012 draft was THE WORST in the NFL that year. After James is cut / released, we will have zero players on our roster this year from the 2012 draft. That is pretty much unheard of. Yet…crickets…

In 2013, for all the firepower we had, we got one starting safety with concussion issues. The rest are all question marks including a couple of wildcards coming off injury.

Yet, I don't hear a chorus calling for Baalke's head in the media or from fans? Why? This team has been a quality corner or speedy wide receiver from winning the Lombardi for 3 years. Baalke has failed to deliver either, yet all I hear about is how Harbaugh, stuck with the same aging base of players year after year, is supposed to miraculous will his team Superbowl if he wants to get an extension, when Baalke has failed to refresh the talent of this team year after year, despite having ample opportunity to do so.

Where's the criticism? Where's the pitchforks? Why does Baalke get a pass year after year? What am I missing?


Complete lack of understanding regarding Baalke's other duties. He's MANAGED THE SALARY CAP by knowing which guys he can resign and which ones he can not only replace, but upgrade through the draft or trades. He's not only used the draft for players, but he's acquired talent through trades, free agency and expanded the roster through NFI/IR list

1.) Trades:
a.) Got 2-2nds for Alex Smith and keeps flipping those picks for more picks.
b.) Traded for Anquan Boldin for a 6th
c.) Traded guys who were going to get cut Cam Johnson and Parys Haralson for 7th rounders
d.) Traded for Stevie Johnson for a 4th rounder
e.) Blaine Gabbert for a 6th, Martin for a conditional 7th.
f.) Also had a ton of draft trades and acquired more picks.
g.) Only questionable trade was Colt McCoy

2.) Free Agency
a.) Let Goldson Walk, upgraded by Eric Reid in the draft
b.) Let Sopoaga walk, upgraded by Glenn Dorsey and Ian Williams
c.) Let Ricky Jean Francois walk, Tony Jerod Edie filled in nicely last year and has Okoye Free agent and Carridine, ready to blow up.
d.) Let Whitner walk, signed Bethea and has Jimmie Ward waiting in the wings
e.) Resigned Alex Boone, Joe Staley and Ian Williams to cheap contracts
f.) Can let Mike Iupatie walk because he has Joe Looney who proved himself last year waiting in the wings as well as Brandon Thomas
g.) Let Goodwin walk, signs Kilgore to a cheap contract and drafts Marcus Martin
h.) Resigned Tramaine Brock to a decent deal.

3.) Trades for more picks and stashes guys for a year on the NFI list.
a.) Joe Looney, Dial, Carridine, Okoye, Marquardt and this year Thomas, Reaser and Millard.

4.) Injuries don't faze the team. Coaching is a huge part, but Baalke played a role as wel in helping bring the talent to the roster.
a.) 2012, lose Alex Smith, no problem Kaepernick steps in no problem
b.) 2012 lose Kendall Hunter, no problem LMJ steps up.
c.) 2013 lose Michael Crabtree, Culliver, Hunter and Manningham still out, team only loses 13 games last year
d.) 2013 Ian Williams out, Glenn Dorsey steps up no problem.
3.) 2013 Tarelle Brown out, Tramaine Brock steps up and earns a contract.


Draft is 1 little part of Baalke's job. He's used every possible avenue to bring talent to this roster.
we lost 13 games last year?