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Why does Baalke seem get a free pass from serious criticism?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
It's not about the front office, it's about the roster. It's thin at corner:

Cully -- ACL + charges;
Brock -- Solid;
Wright -- did not look like an everydown player last year -- would not take a hit;
Cox -- cut once, brought back cuz wright in the doghouse;
Morris -- Love the kid, no experience, unknown at slot corner;
Cook -- spotty record in Minn;

This is what we had before the draft. I think this situation warrants 2 high round picks IMO. Love to have two solid studs so we can trade/ps/cut wright or cox and not have to hang our hat on Cook.

If we don't see value at db, then lets go pass rush. A good rush covers for db deficiancies. Ealy, trade up for Easley.

That didn't happen either.

C, OL, RB. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Cully -- ACL + charges; Still the best outside corner we had after Brown. Lets not forget he went man to man with Megatron twice and kept him in check
Brock -- Solid; legit.
Wright -- did not look like an everydown player last year -- would not take a hit; Showed something to be brought back, not to mention he didnt have much of an offseason last year to prepare for the league year.
Cox -- cut once, brought back cuz wright in the doghouse; once he got brought back it could be argued was one of the best DBs on the field for the playoffs.
Morris -- Love the kid, no experience, unknown at slot corner; Agree, love him for ST, complete unknown in terms of CB.
Cook -- spotty record in Minn; Might not even make the team if a rookie shows too much promise for the PS.


We drafted a kid in the 1st round that likely will play 60% of the time... then we have this scouting departments track record of late round CBs... so why all the worry again?
We are a power run offense who just lost our starting center and our bell cow rb is on the last year of his contract and possibly career, how does c ol and rb not make any sense?
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
We are a power run offense who just lost our starting center and our bell cow rb is on the last year of his contract and possibly career, how does c ol and rb not make any sense?

And losing their probowl LG next year
Originally posted by 5280High:
And losing their probowl LG next year

Good point. I was gunna comment on cook also, there is a reason minn picked him up early in the 2nd, he could actually be good, as Dorsey showed sometimes all it takes is a change of scenery.
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I'm not feeling very tactful.

Here's what we need to be THE elite D in the league: one ringer at corner; an impact sub on the line, and depth at safety.

Sub for Bowman? Nope. We already have LemonHead and Scooter on the bench. Our all pro staff can work something out with Brooks Wilhoite.

We addressed the backup safety. It's possible we have an impact corner too if a good MAC career translates to the NFL. But why roll the dice on this? We don't have 2 experienced all pros at corner. We have Brock and Cully off a torn ACL and no one in the slot. I mean, the risk is glaring.

Yet we failed to aggressively acquire a name talent for this obvious need in a draft year with the "deepest class in years." Don't get that.

We passed on Robey. We passed on Jean-Baptiste for Ward and a running back. I'm willing to wait and see on Ward, but I don't get the RB piece. Hyde will get STUFFED just LIKE FRANK due to our LACK OF DIVERSIFIED PASSING GAME NEEDED TO SET UP THE RUN. Throwing another body there WONT HELP. Changing the playbook WILL HELP.

ANd, a backup OT? After we acquire MArtin? What's that all about?

And the backup center? Okay, that makes sense to me. But do we trust Kilgore or not? Do we need to blow a higher pick for a true backup? That seems like a sleeper need.





We just weren't focused on our most pressing needs, it doesn't seem like.


Could we have packaged our 1st and second to cincy for dennard / verret? Did we even try? How about our #1 next year to move up for Ward in the second this year, if we really loved him that much. Wouldn't that set us up nice.

I dunno. As a DC, if I"m faced with an offense that has three 1,000 yard WR's, I might *not* load up on the run so much. As for DBs, there has been an infusion of much needed raw talent. Granted, one was a first rounder, the rest -- one was a 4rth, one was a 5th, and one was a 6th. That's 4 picks relating to the defensive backfield. Eric Davis, one of the best corners we've ever had was a 2nd rounder. Merton Hanks and Jeff Fuller, two of the best safeties we've had were both 5th rounders. I think we've thrown adequate draft capital at our most pressing needs, and now only time will tell whether Baalke was right or not. I think Donnatelle is the difference maker here, because he can take these low round picks and polish them up to starting material in short order. Man-genius cut his teeth coaching DB's (yeah I know he's coaching TE's now, but it's not like Donatelle and Man-Genius are going to ignore each other if either of them have problems). With that kind of coaching talent, I think somebody else's 3rd and 4th rounders are equivalent to first and 2nd rounders in our team.
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
We are a power run offense who just lost our starting center and our bell cow rb is on the last year of his contract and possibly career, how does c ol and rb not make any sense?


Then draft replacements next year. You are WAY talking up Wright,Cox,Cully.

Cully was never a 3 down go to player. A project with talent, that was/is Cully. With a refurbished ACL.

And that's why the worry. I'm saying there's too many question marks there not to invest in a couple of corners with real measurables.

Plus forget the catastrophe scenarios. Think sunshine. Think "What would our defense look like with a real shutdown out there to keep the Jerome Kearse's and Torrie SMiths in check?"

What would it look like? I'll tell you what it would look like:

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Originally posted by 5280High:
And losing their probowl LG next year

Well if we win the superbowl this year, we're going to lose pretty much all our free agents anyway next year. Personally, I think Harbaalke did a great job of balancing the win now situation with -- if we do win the big one and lose all our free agents, we still have folks that can replace them next year -- kind of situation.
None of our corners last year were shut down corners or the year before for that matter but none of that came between us and a championship, we lost the super bowl and last years nfccg on faulty play calling on offense. And what does me talking about needing to draft replacements for positions we use alot a year before the need is dire have to do with my opinion on cox cook or wright?
[ Edited by LoneWolf on May 10, 2014 at 7:07 PM ]
Originally posted by Giedi:
I dunno. As a DC, if I"m faced with an offense that has three 1,000 yard WR's, I might *not* load up on the run so much. As for DBs, there has been an infusion of much needed raw talent. Granted, one was a first rounder, the rest -- one was a 4rth, one was a 5th, and one was a 6th. That's 4 picks relating to the defensive backfield. Eric Davis, one of the best corners we've ever had was a 2nd rounder. Merton Hanks and Jeff Fuller, two of the best safeties we've had were both 5th rounders. I think we've thrown adequate draft capital at our most pressing needs, and now only time will tell whether Baalke was right or not. I think Donnatelle is the difference maker here, because he can take these low round picks and polish them up to starting material in short order. Man-genius cut his teeth coaching DB's (yeah I know he's coaching TE's now, but it's not like Donatelle and Man-Genius are going to ignore each other if either of them have problems). With that kind of coaching talent, I think somebody else's 3rd and 4th rounders are equivalent to first and 2nd rounders in our team.


However good our coaching staff is, they will produce better outputs if they get better inputs. How simple is that?

Plus, think big. Don't settle for starting material. Think shut down corner. What would we do with one of those?

(See prior post).
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
None of our corners last year were shut down corners or the year before for that matter but none of that came between us and a championship, we lost the super bowl and last years nfccg on faulty play calling on offense. And what does me talking about needing to draft replacements for positions we use alot a year before the need is dire have to do with my opinion on cox cook or wright?


We could have used those picks to replace cox cook wright, is what I am saying. For this year. Jean Baptiste was right there. We could have drafted robey first round, then traded up for Ward in early second round. And still gotten all our no names if we wanted. I think that would have been more prudent than chasing a tailback we don't need immediately this year.
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Then draft replacements next year. You are WAY talking up Wright,Cox,Cully.

Cully was never a 3 down go to player. A project with talent, that was/is Cully. With a refurbished ACL.

And that's why the worry. I'm saying there's too many question marks there not to invest in a couple of corners with real measurables.

Plus forget the catastrophe scenarios. Think sunshine. Think "What would our defense look like with a real shutdown out there to keep the Jerome Kearse's and Torrie SMiths in check?"

What would it look like? I'll tell you what it would look like:


Trading up for a top flight corner was just simply too expensive, when I look at it. I think you are looking at giving up a 2nd, 3rd, 4rth this year and a 1st next year too -- to go to the mid first round position. To go to the top 10, you are looking at RGIII kinds of trades that just simply mortgages your future for multiple years. That's too steep a price. Look at what happened to Shannahan, he's no longer coaching. That's what's going to happen to both Harbaugh and Baalke - they will be out on the street in a year or two. Those number 1 picks are priceless, because they can be used to replenish your depth if you need to, if you win the big one - or if you suffer a substantial amount of permanent injuries to star players.
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
None of our corners last year were shut down corners or the year before for that matter but none of that came between us and a championship, we lost the super bowl and last years nfccg on faulty play calling on offense. And what does me talking about needing to draft replacements for positions we use alot a year before the need is dire have to do with my opinion on cox cook or wright?

Of course it was important, all through the year. Think Atlanta. Think Tennessee. Think Arizona. All those guys came back in games because they started working soft underneath routes and crepy crawled their way back in games they never should have been in.

Do you think a blue chip CB might have made a difference on a couple of those drives? Ya.

And, this was on a backfield with three starters we don't have anymore.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
None of our corners last year were shut down corners or the year before for that matter but none of that came between us and a championship, we lost the super bowl and last years nfccg on faulty play calling on offense. And what does me talking about needing to draft replacements for positions we use alot a year before the need is dire have to do with my opinion on cox cook or wright?


We could have used those picks to replace cox cook wright, is what I am saying. For this year. Jean Baptiste was right there. We could have drafted robey first round, then traded up for Ward in early second round. And still gotten all our no names if we wanted. I think that would have been more prudent than chasing a tailback we don't need immediately this year.

Mostly true and i partially agree, but plug and play rbs dont grow on trees, hell there becoming more and more rare every season, I would feel alot more confident in our offense next season if we had a rb taking over for gore with a season under his belt and knowing what he can do as compared to letting a rookie (which can always be a question mark regardless of media coverage or praise from college) take over our running game.
If your going to try to make a point against our secondary at least use games we lost. Because when you come with the what ifs about our games and they are games we won they dont make alot of sense cuz there is no reason to complain about games we won. Hell the cornerback play from a corner still on this team is why we beat Atl.
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Mostly true and i partially agree, but plug and play rbs dont grow on trees, hell there becoming more and more rare every season, I would feel alot more confident in our offense next season if we had a rb taking over for gore with a season under his belt and knowing what he can do as compared to letting a rookie (which can always be a question mark regardless of media coverage or praise from college) take over our running game.


Eddie Lacy made an impact right away. A lot of quality backs make an impact right away because it's such a pure skill position. You don't train how to juke a defender or where to find the crevice for first down. That's instinct. We didn't need that player this year. It's a nice to have.