Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
I was just asking to see what the possibilities might be. I wouldn't call it PURE INSANITY BrianGO, what if a team is a Pro Bowl LG away from being serious contenders, or are serious contenders with a weak LG? Is it PURE INSANITY to trade for that player, and then to lock him up to a new deal? Or same thing on Crabtree, just because you trade for them, doesn't mean you don't resign them. I mean we were crazy to trade for Boldin, because he was an expiring contract right? Oh wait, he resigned?
Just out of curiosity, you say it would be crazy for us to trade them, because we'd lose our comp picks. Do you think we'd be trading them for a bagel or some cream cheese? Wouldn't we get picks for them, that would probably be higher than the comp pick WE MIGHT get for them? Not to be rude, but a PURE INSANITY comment by you is used WAY too lightly.
Now I know it is highly unlikely either or both get moved, I was just originally asking to see what might be there if anything in a possible trade, and what kind of savings we might be able to get, to potentially use to lure a D. Jackson here.
I don't want to sound harsh, but I am trying to make the point that trading players in the salary cap era is rarely feasible. I don't even like the very idea of it, that is why I speak out against it so strongly.
The question in the modern NFL is, "What price do I have to pay for how many years of productivity?" It is a salary cap question. If you don't approach everything as a salary cap question, then you will sink your franchise.
The Boncos are perhaps the most ideal possible example of a team who would want to "go all-in" and hurt their future for the short term. They have a Hall-of-Fame quarterback with only a few years left. They can make the case to mortgage their future for the present. They can make the CASE. However, I still strongly disagree with this approach, even for them.
I believe that if you look at everything as a salary cap game, then you will ultimately win more Super Bowls over the long term. The Ravens are a good example, they have won 2 Super Bowls in the last 14 years by taking this approach. The Steelers are another example, they don't usually make stupid trades, and they build through the draft. They have also won multiple Super Bowls in the last decade.
Then there are the Redskins, Browns, Raiders, Falcons, Eagles, etc, who always get the shiny new toys in free agency. They make trades and wheel and deal and sacrifice multiple picks to move up in the draft.
Each pick you give up, is at least a 4 year cheap labor contract that you are throwing away. So even if you land a Pro-Bowl player, that player will not only cost more as a high pick, but he will cost a lot when his contract is up.
Impact players are everywhere in the draft. You can hit a home run, and you can also fill out your depth, and if they're not good, you can cut them, and if they leave for free agency, you can get a comp pick. It is the best of all worlds. There is no downside to having multiple draft picks.
Trading for a player with an expiring contract is crazy to me, because you have to pay them in a year, and you are losing a valuable draft pick. You make a good point with Anquan Boldin, which was an absolute robbery for us.
The Anquan Boldin steal was the most incredible thing that could possibly happen in a trade. The trade was an absolute steal. We get an extremely good player for a 6th round pick. Even if it was only for one year, it was still a good deal. To think that we were able to resign him to play for 6 mil per after the season he had, is almost unthinkable.
Boldin is the most special case in the NFL. Nobody wants to pay him big money, because he is slow, yet everybody wishes he was on their team when the game is on and live bullets are flying. If the Ravens could have extended him for 6 mil per, don't you think they would have? It seems insane that they did not. Maybe they did not foresee the salary cap jumping up? Maybe they had young receivers on the team they liked? Maybe they thought he would hit a wall and get old?
I can't figure it out either way, and I am amazed that we will have a top ten receiver playing for 6 mil for the next two years. It was a huge loss for the Ravens and a gigantic gain for us. This is one of the rare times, when trading a pick for a player on an expiring contract works out. A 6th round pick for Boldin at 6 mil per for three years? Wow. I'll take that.
However, a first or second day pick for Crabs or Iupati? Just so they can ask for 10 mil per? That would be crazy. Unless you can work out a deal BEFORE the trade (which is against the rules of course), there is no way doing a trade like that makes any sense.
They MIGHT be worth trading a third day pick, but guess what? That is the COMPENSATION we will get for them anyways when they leave and sign their big contract, AND we will miss out on the player's low price services for a year. It doesn't make sense to me for either side.