Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by DeUh:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Is JMartin supposedly a better run blocker or pass blocker? If he's a better pass blocker, that means he must suck big time as a run blocker, being that he is not faring well in pass blocking drills this TC. Was hoping he could play in the jumbo package if he was a better run blocker. Last year, it was Kilgore and Snyder acting as the 2nd/3rd TEs when 49ers went jumbo. I suppose MMartin and Looney have their names in the hat for being in the jumbo package.
Good point re: the jumbo packages. As to Martin, I tihnk we need an objective skill set analysis from someone in here. One report I read today did say that it appears Martin hasn't fully regained his strength from Mono in the Spring. I "hope" that is it...granted he's getting tossed around by some gladiators in Okoye, Aldon, etc. but damn, at least refer to your technique and veteran savy if your strength isn't fully back!
Mayock's take: "First-round talent right here, tremendous arm length. I call him a little bit of a finesse player. Doesn't mean he's not tough, but he's so good with his feet and understands angles. I believe the Dolphins just got themselves a starter on either the right or left side."
Here are a couple of old scouting reports. 1st round talent according to the first 2. Overhyped according to the 3th.
1. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/jonathan-martin?id=2533041
2. http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012jmartin.php
3. http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/jonathan-martin-55/
Thanks Deuh. The first two reports say he's a good run blocker. The last one says he's not. But this is all from his college playing days so I'll take that with a grain of salt. I'm more interested in how he's run blocked in the NFL.
Somehow thought you two were speaking about his college career. Not sure why.
This article is from Feb 4 2013.
Run Blocking
"The folks at PFF use number grades, but I've "translated" the grades into 1 of 6 categories.
Good = positive grade; Great = strongly positive (> 1.0); Superb (> 3.0)
Bad = negative grade; Awful = strongly negative (< -1.0); Disaster (< -3.0)
Run-Blocking (DNP = Did Not Play enough snaps to earn significant grade)"
Jonathan Martin improved as a run-blocker as the season went on, and did well after he switched to left tackle, though he ended up finishing the season ranked only 50th at run blocking amongst NFL tackles. That low ranking is mostly due to his early struggles at right tackle bringing down his cumulative grade.
Pass Blocking
"The folks at PFF use number grades, but I've "translated" the grades into 1 of 6 categories.
Good = positive grade; Great = strongly positive (> 1.0); Superb (> 3.0)
Bad = negative grade; Awful = strongly negative (< -1.0); Disaster (< -3.0)
Run-Blocking (DNP = Did Not Play enough snaps to earn significant grade)"
Jonathan Martin consistently struggled as a pass-blocker, finishing the season ranked 54th out of 57 tackles at pass blocking (one of the worst in the NFL). He had bad games against the Patriots, Texans, 49'ers, Bills, Colts, and Cardinals, and half of those came as a left tackle. Per PFF, Martin's in-season improvement was mostly in run-blocking. The hope is that offseason reps at left-tackle and time time in the weight room improve Martin's strength and balance in pass protection.
Here is the whole article: http://www.thephinsider.com/2013/2/4/3901992/miami-dolphins-season-in-review-offensive-line-trench-warfare
Top 35 Left Tackle List from Feb 19, 2014 by Matt Miller
Pass Block: Jonathan Martin (6'5", 312 lbs, two seasons) made plenty of headlines during the season, but much of it had nothing to do with football. The Stanford product struggled after being handed the left tackle position heading into the season. He displays decent footwork and an ability to slide well enough for the position, but he will let defenders initiate contact with him. He often lets pass-rushers get underneath his pads and knock him off balance without displaying much of a punch upon first contact.
Run Block: Martin moves well for a tackle and is more of a finesse blocker than mauler. He relies on body positioning and footwork to help sustain his blocks rather than strength and drive to finish off defenders. He can easily be shedded by a defender if he's not in perfect position with his lower half. He doesn't possess the strength to make up for bad positioning or balance when engaged.
Overall: Martin has the tools to be a starting offensive lineman in the NFL. He's played both tackle positions in Miami, and while he struggled on the left side, giving up six sacks in just six games, he doesn't possess the physicality to anchor the right side of an offensive line in the run game. He's best suited for the left side, but he will need a lot of work before he can be trusted with a starting position.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1949453-br-nfl-1000-top-35-left-tackles/page/9