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Is it time to release Frank Gore?
Is it time to release Frank Gore?
Mar 6, 2014 at 9:21 AM
- btthepunk
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He had over 500 yards over the second half of the season so I don't know why people are acting like he had a terrible second half.
Mar 6, 2014 at 9:26 AM
- crabman82
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Originally posted by btthepunk:
He had over 500 yards over the second half of the season so I don't know why people are acting like he had a terrible second half.
its the last game, 14 yards, thats all they remember. dont care about his 80+ yards and late game run vs the panthers. or his grinding out 66 yards and a td in -47823890312 degree temps in gb. its like if you aint hitting 125 every game you're done.
last 3 games in seattle
dec 2012: 6 carries, 28 yards
sept 2013: 9 car 16 yards
jan 2013: 11 car, 14 yards
its more of a in seattle problem than anything.
Mar 6, 2014 at 11:58 AM
- fryet
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I think people on this board are overrating 2 things that Frank Gore admittedly does well. Yes, he pass blocks well. That is not the primary purpose of a back. If you have a good back that blocks poorly, you send him out in pass routes to force the defense to send fewer rushers. Plus Hunter doesn't block poorly according to others on this board. The 49ers pass offense will manage without Gore blocking. Second, everyone talks about his leadership on the team. Yes, he is a respected leader, but that doesn't trump his production on the field. People want to keep him for sentimental reasons, and what he has done for the team in the past. If he is not on the team, the 49ers have plenty of other leaders to take up the slack.
Final thought, he had 4.0 ypc last year. Most likely his production will dip this coming year. Will everyone be satisfied with <4.0 ypc? 4.0 is what an average back does in the NFL. Gore will be a sub-par back next year that pass blocks well. The 49ers can do better.
Final thought, he had 4.0 ypc last year. Most likely his production will dip this coming year. Will everyone be satisfied with <4.0 ypc? 4.0 is what an average back does in the NFL. Gore will be a sub-par back next year that pass blocks well. The 49ers can do better.
Mar 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM
- joshuatree
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There are no signs of Frank taking a pay cut huh?
We don't have enough experience on the bench to just straight cut him. Maybe next off season (Although I really hope he takes a pay cut)
We don't have enough experience on the bench to just straight cut him. Maybe next off season (Although I really hope he takes a pay cut)
Mar 6, 2014 at 1:59 PM
- fryet
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Originally posted by joshuatree:
There are no signs of Frank taking a pay cut huh?
We don't have enough experience on the bench to just straight cut him. Maybe next off season (Although I really hope he takes a pay cut)
How much experience do we need? Hunter and LMJ both have several years of experience. Lattimore has a year under his belt (granted he was injured). RB is one of the positions where players can do well immediately after being drafted. I don't see how lack of experience is an issue.
Mar 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM
- joshuatree
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Originally posted by fryet:
How much experience do we need? Hunter and LMJ both have several years of experience. Lattimore has a year under his belt (granted he was injured). RB is one of the positions where players can do well immediately after being drafted. I don't see how lack of experience is an issue.
I don't believe Hunter has started a game since 2011. I see no issue with him starting a few games but trying to make a Super Bowl run with Hunter and LMJ is pushing it. Granted the coaching staff knows what they have in a healthy Lattimore, from practice.
I'm okay with giving Frank one more season, whether that means being the #1 in the playoffs is another story.
Mar 6, 2014 at 2:13 PM
- fryet
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Originally posted by joshuatree:Nothing special about starting a game. Hunter has a full year's worth of carries so far in his career. We know what we have in him. Gore took over the starting job his second year as a pro, with much less experience than Hunter. I think one reason why people are afraid to move on from Gore is fear of change. You can't argue with fear. All I can point out is that we have experienced players behind him.
I don't believe Hunter has started a game since 2011. I see no issue with him starting a few games but trying to make a Super Bowl run with Hunter and LMJ is pushing it. Granted the coaching staff knows what they have in a healthy Lattimore, from practice.
I'm okay with giving Frank one more season, whether that means being the #1 in the playoffs is another story.
Mar 6, 2014 at 2:17 PM
- joshuatree
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Originally posted by fryet:
Nothing special about starting a game. Hunter has a full year's worth of carries so far in his career. We know what we have in him. Gore took over the starting job his second year as a pro, with much less experience than Hunter. I think one reason why people are afraid to move on from Gore is fear of change. You can't argue with fear. All I can point out is that we have experienced players behind him.
Good point. We aren't just losing a player but also a leader in in the offensive huddle. But like you said, it's just change that is inevitable.
Mar 6, 2014 at 2:23 PM
- btthepunk
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There is no reason to cut Gore. Absolutely none. His contract is a bargain for a player of his production and caliber.
Mar 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM
- kentc1978
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It also has a lot to do with the "window" possibly closing soon. If you get rid of an integral part of who helped open the window, then everyone's afraid the window automatically closes that much faster. I'm with whoever else says 1 more year of Frank starting and then moving on, no matter what happens next year.
Mar 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM
- znk916
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I think the real question is will Gore get an extension and if so when and at what price?
Mar 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM
- caliman4life
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Originally posted by fryet:I think people on this board are overrating 2 things that Frank Gore admittedly does well. Yes, he pass blocks well. That is not the primary purpose of a back. If you have a good back that blocks poorly, you send him out in pass routes to force the defense to send fewer rushers. Plus Hunter doesn't block poorly according to others on this board. The 49ers pass offense will manage without Gore blocking. Second, everyone talks about his leadership on the team. Yes, he is a respected leader, but that doesn't trump his production on the field. People want to keep him for sentimental reasons, and what he has done for the team in the past. If he is not on the team, the 49ers have plenty of other leaders to take up the slack.
Final thought, he had 4.0 ypc last year. Most likely his production will dip this coming year. Will everyone be satisfied with
, I think your under-rating Gore's value. You said to paraphrase it, Gore is a good pass blocker but that's not a primary backs' purpose. There's two things wrong with that statement. 1. Gore isn't jus a good pass blocker but a good All-around blocker. Some of those big runs kaep had especially in the playoffs was because of gore. He doesn't jus pass block well but he also run block well too. Wheather it's for kaep or whoever has the ball in their hands, Gore is always doing his part. 2. You also said a primary backs' best quality shouldn't be blocking. A RB's job is to get 1,000yds or more over the course of a season. Well gore did that. He got over 1,100yds but under 1,200. That's not 1,400 or 1,500yds-plus but he got over a thousand & I'll still take that. I don't need to go over his production on the field cause I just went over that, 1,000yds-plus need I say more.
Your final thought touched on his production & you used the Zone as sources. While some Zoners say Hunter is good at pass blocking, some Zoners also say that our oline is overrated & not holding their own. Is that Gore's fault too. I'm not a football nut but I've notice defenders at or behind the line of scrimmage. You can't have good production being defended like that. Is Gore gonna carry the team like back in the day, no but can he still carry his own weigh, d@#* right he can.
You also said the niners can do better than gore. How, a better RB is more money(probably not enough cap space) & we don't have the roster spot(stable full of talented RBs'(potentially)). What would we sacrifice, time & effort put into hunter, LMJ & ML, putting off their chance to shine. Or should we sacrifice, the the vision, knowledge & chemistry that Gore already brings to the table.
My final thought, if Gore was baaarely getting 1,000yds or gaining closer to 500yds & his vision was sucking, ok I give you that. But he still gaining over 1,000yds & his vision is still great. He still our best back when it comes to vision, knowledge of the game, chemistry with the offense, trust of the coaches. Only thing other backs have on Gore is fresh legs & they still can't take the starter position. Last, Gore needs a SB ring, d@#* it!. Gore's tank maybe almost on e(mpty) but it isn't yet. "In harbaugh I trust" to know when it's that time.
Mar 6, 2014 at 4:19 PM
- cciowa
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Originally posted by fryet:ask steve young how important it is to have a back to who pick up a blocker. i am amused that you just assume his production will dip this year. people have been saying that for the last two years. now you say the niners can do better than gore... are you among the crowd just assuming the kid we drafted last year who has not played a nfl snap can just step in?
I think people on this board are overrating 2 things that Frank Gore admittedly does well. Yes, he pass blocks well. That is not the primary purpose of a back. If you have a good back that blocks poorly, you send him out in pass routes to force the defense to send fewer rushers. Plus Hunter doesn't block poorly according to others on this board. The 49ers pass offense will manage without Gore blocking. Second, everyone talks about his leadership on the team. Yes, he is a respected leader, but that doesn't trump his production on the field. People want to keep him for sentimental reasons, and what he has done for the team in the past. If he is not on the team, the 49ers have plenty of other leaders to take up the slack.
Final thought, he had 4.0 ypc last year. Most likely his production will dip this coming year. Will everyone be satisfied with <4.0 ypc? 4.0 is what an average back does in the NFL. Gore will be a sub-par back next year that pass blocks well. The 49ers can do better.
Mar 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM
- buck
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Originally posted by fryet:Originally posted by joshuatree:There are no signs of Frank taking a pay cut huh?
We don't have enough experience on the bench to just straight cut him. Maybe next off season (Although I really hope he takes a pay cut)
How much experience do we need? Hunter and LMJ both have several years of experience. Lattimore has a year under his belt (granted he was injured). RB is one of the positions where players can do well immediately after being drafted. I don't see how lack of experience is an issue.
Hunter and James have not yet been able to send Frank to the bench.
There is no denying that Gore is getting older. At some point, and locating that point seems problematic, he will be replaced. A transition will have to be made. Gore has been a warrior for the 49ers, but there is no doubt that he is approaching the end of his career.
But, those calling for the release of Gore now need to remember that up as of today, March 6 2012, nobody has taken the job from Mr. Gore.
My sense is that until someone steps up and takes the job, the proper time to replace Frank Gore has not arrived.
Next year, one of internal battles to watch will be the battle to establish the heir apparent. The players competing for that prize will be Lattimore, Hunter, James, and Hampton. I believe the front runner is Lattimore, maybe Hunter, but I would not exclude Hampton.
Ideally, Frank Gore will get his 10,000 yards next year and one of the young bucks, not me, will demonstrate on the field that he is ready to take the job or that he has, in fact, taken the job.
[ Edited by buck on Mar 6, 2014 at 5:12 PM ]
Mar 7, 2014 at 7:15 AM
- fryet
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Originally posted by calinig4life:Yard per Carry is a better reflection of a back's effectiveness than total yards. Low YPC and high yards just means he got more opportunities, and didn't do too much with them. Hunter has already exceeded Gore in the YPC metric. I am not advocting the acquisition of a back to replace Gore. His replacement is already on the team, most likely Hunter.
, I think your under-rating Gore's value. You said to paraphrase it, Gore is a good pass blocker but that's not a primary backs' purpose. There's two things wrong with that statement. 1. Gore isn't jus a good pass blocker but a good All-around blocker. Some of those big runs kaep had especially in the playoffs was because of gore. He doesn't jus pass block well but he also run block well too. Wheather it's for kaep or whoever has the ball in their hands, Gore is always doing his part. 2. You also said a primary backs' best quality shouldn't be blocking. A RB's job is to get 1,000yds or more over the course of a season. Well gore did that. He got over 1,100yds but under 1,200. That's not 1,400 or 1,500yds-plus but he got over a thousand & I'll still take that. I don't need to go over his production on the field cause I just went over that, 1,000yds-plus need I say more.
Your final thought touched on his production & you used the Zone as sources. While some Zoners say Hunter is good at pass blocking, some Zoners also say that our oline is overrated & not holding their own. Is that Gore's fault too. I'm not a football nut but I've notice defenders at or behind the line of scrimmage. You can't have good production being defended like that. Is Gore gonna carry the team like back in the day, no but can he still carry his own weigh, d@#* right he can.
You also said the niners can do better than gore. How, a better RB is more money(probably not enough cap space) & we don't have the roster spot(stable full of talented RBs'(potentially)). What would we sacrifice, time & effort put into hunter, LMJ & ML, putting off their chance to shine. Or should we sacrifice, the the vision, knowledge & chemistry that Gore already brings to the table.
My final thought, if Gore was baaarely getting 1,000yds or gaining closer to 500yds & his vision was sucking, ok I give you that. But he still gaining over 1,000yds & his vision is still great. He still our best back when it comes to vision, knowledge of the game, chemistry with the offense, trust of the coaches. Only thing other backs have on Gore is fresh legs & they still can't take the starter position. Last, Gore needs a SB ring, d@#* it!. Gore's tank maybe almost on e(mpty) but it isn't yet. "In harbaugh I trust" to know when it's that time.
Gore is a balanced back, but I think too much value is being placed on his pass blocking on a run first team. I think Hunter could do an adequate job, with a potential to be better than adequate. Cutting Gore, would allow other RB on the team to continue to grow, plus save 6 million on the cap that could be spent on retaining players like Iupati and Aldon Smith.