Hey 49ERnation!
Now that your ass and ears have been burned - rethink your posts.
Any team that sells the farm for 1-2 players usually never wins the SB. Atlanta w/Julio Jones, Saints/Ricki Williams, Revis, Goldston etc.
Trent has and is building the team through the draft and a sprinkling of affordable FA. Some FA make it like Boldin and others don't like Braylon,Moss and we don't take it on the chin financially.
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Is San Francisco a desirable landing spot for free agents?
Is San Francisco a desirable landing spot for free agents?
Feb 27, 2014 at 7:48 AM
- LasVegasWally
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Feb 27, 2014 at 9:02 AM
- cciowa
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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:you would think that after 3 years doing things the exact way you described, fans would know this by now
Hey 49ERnation!
Now that your ass and ears have been burned - rethink your posts.
Any team that sells the farm for 1-2 players usually never wins the SB. Atlanta w/Julio Jones, Saints/Ricki Williams, Revis, Goldston etc.
Trent has and is building the team through the draft and a sprinkling of affordable FA. Some FA make it like Boldin and others don't like Braylon,Moss and we don't take it on the chin financially.
Feb 28, 2014 at 2:53 AM
- WildBill
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Originally posted by 49ERnation:
Is our FO not interested in big name free agents, or is SF just not where they want to be? I understand we can't afford everyone but the way Seattle can attract free agents the way they do it leads me to wonder what is keeping us from landing these free agents.
And now they are paying for it-seattle has to either cut some players or redo their contracts and have those players take a paycut.
Its easy to get players to want to come hear, but if all they are interested in is money, then that is something else, The niners approach since you have been in the closet, is to resign our players because they are a known commodity, you forget the disasters of Jonas and Nate already? That is something they are trying to avoid, Looks around the league, these free agents fails a lot.
Feb 28, 2014 at 7:29 AM
- Geeked
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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:you would think that after 3 years doing things the exact way you described, fans would know this by now
Hey 49ERnation!
Now that your ass and ears have been burned - rethink your posts.
Any team that sells the farm for 1-2 players usually never wins the SB. Atlanta w/Julio Jones, Saints/Ricki Williams, Revis, Goldston etc.
Trent has and is building the team through the draft and a sprinkling of affordable FA. Some FA make it like Boldin and others don't like Braylon,Moss and we don't take it on the chin financially.
Thing I love about TB, and why I find him to be the team most valuable non-player asset is what has been stated and the fact he turns FA into a second draft. Scouting FA's like college players, bringing them aboard and giving situations to flourish.
But, he didn't start this trend, the Pats did. You have to give them credit.
Feb 28, 2014 at 7:58 AM
- WRATHman44
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Crazy Cali taxes hurt, especially when we're offering less money to begin with.
Feb 28, 2014 at 8:41 AM
- NCommand
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Personally, I think we're still seen as the class of the NFL. Top notch. FA's beg to come here for a chance to win a Superbowl as evidenced over the past two years with wiley veterans.
BUT, only on defense. On offense, I don't think any "skill" position would want to play here. So Baalke will continue to address that area via the draft and Second Tier FA's.
BUT, only on defense. On offense, I don't think any "skill" position would want to play here. So Baalke will continue to address that area via the draft and Second Tier FA's.
Feb 28, 2014 at 11:22 AM
- rice-a-roni
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Personally, I think we're still seen as the class of the NFL. Top notch. FA's beg to come here for a chance to win a Superbowl as evidenced over the past two years with wiley veterans.
BUT, only on defense. On offense, I don't think any "skill" position would want to play here. So Baalke will continue to address that area via the draft and Second Tier FA's.
Yep!
Very good point about the offense though there are a couple of ways to view that statement. Do you think it's about the commitment to the run game or due to the physical nature of the NFCW defenses that they'd have to face?
Feb 28, 2014 at 9:03 PM
- matthewabbit
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Dang we don't make too many FA signings on the offensive side of the ball. Goodwin ...
Can't really count boldin because he was a trade.
Who else.. ?
Can't really count boldin because he was a trade.
Who else.. ?
Feb 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM
- matthewabbit
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That actually work out....
Feb 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM
- threelittlebirds
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Not in the sense you mean...
every free agent would entertain an offer by the 49ers, yes... but the 49ers aren't making any FA the highest paid at his position either...so, a lot of free agents would choose the higher bidder over the 49ers.
The 49ers are absolutely in the position to do what the 1994 49ers did though.. they could reach out and steal a lot of players on 1 year deals to win a SB. They have been in that position the last 2 years though... and they haven't done it.
Twist the knife.. the Seahawks copied the 1994 49ers mentality and they won out. Jed, Trent, and Jim need to copy that 1994 49ers approach too. These 49ers absolutely have that similar appeal and they need to take advantage of it...
every free agent would entertain an offer by the 49ers, yes... but the 49ers aren't making any FA the highest paid at his position either...so, a lot of free agents would choose the higher bidder over the 49ers.
The 49ers are absolutely in the position to do what the 1994 49ers did though.. they could reach out and steal a lot of players on 1 year deals to win a SB. They have been in that position the last 2 years though... and they haven't done it.
Twist the knife.. the Seahawks copied the 1994 49ers mentality and they won out. Jed, Trent, and Jim need to copy that 1994 49ers approach too. These 49ers absolutely have that similar appeal and they need to take advantage of it...
Mar 1, 2014 at 7:44 AM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by rice-a-roni:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Personally, I think we're still seen as the class of the NFL. Top notch. FA's beg to come here for a chance to win a Superbowl as evidenced over the past two years with wiley veterans.
BUT, only on defense. On offense, I don't think any "skill" position would want to play here. So Baalke will continue to address that area via the draft and Second Tier FA's.
Yep!
Very good point about the offense though there are a couple of ways to view that statement. Do you think it's about the commitment to the run game or due to the physical nature of the NFCW defenses that they'd have to face?
Personally, I feel nobody has been interested in the 49ers on offense for a variety of reasons
1. We had a rookie QB (who wasn't as established at the time) - raw; and he's seen more of a QB who will take off and run rather than stay in the pocket until the final split second and pass.
2. We had established veterans already in place at all positions (Gore, VD, Crabtree, Moss, Boldin, etc.) so how can you break through?
3. This FO has established a Pat's-like approach to FA and isn't going to break the bank for anyone...even our own.
4. Our leading receivers only get 4-5 catches a game. It's boring and narrowly focused on 3 players compared to many NFL offenses.
5. It's a 350 page playbook...it will take a year just to get the terminology down unless you're a rare case like Boldin.
Mar 1, 2014 at 7:48 AM
- English
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Originally posted by threelittlebirds:
Not in the sense you mean...
every free agent would entertain an offer by the 49ers, yes... but the 49ers aren't making any FA the highest paid at his position either...so, a lot of free agents would choose the higher bidder over the 49ers.
The 49ers are absolutely in the position to do what the 1994 49ers did though.. they could reach out and steal a lot of players on 1 year deals to win a SB. They have been in that position the last 2 years though... and they haven't done it.
Twist the knife.. the Seahawks copied the 1994 49ers mentality and they won out. Jed, Trent, and Jim need to copy that 1994 49ers approach too. These 49ers absolutely have that similar appeal and they need to take advantage of it...
Baalke has been and continues to build in the long term. The 1994 approach won one Superbowl. Nice, but Baalke (following the Pats process) looks like he wants to keep the team at or near the top for a decade.
Mar 1, 2014 at 9:44 AM
- WINiner
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Originally posted by kronik:
True, there are some serious cowardly niner fans I noticed lately. So we lost to them on the road (4th straight road game), big whoopee. The sky is falling. BTW, that game we lost to them was also their 4th straight home game at the time. Go figure.
With that being said, I do think Seattle is better. Not by much. But they have fewer weaknesses. We had 3 to 4 big old weaknesses last year:
- Center Johnathan Goodwin - Old and slow and got overpowered much too often.. especially against SEA
- Iupati/Snyder combination - Iupati did not play well this year. But when he was hurt, Snyder (his replacement) was even worse.
- Whitner , the guy just does not have the discipline or talent needed for coverage. Very over-rated run defender as well
- Rogers - Possibly the entire team's weakest link. On 3rd downs, opposing teams were smart & successful when attacking whoever Rogers tried to defend.
Read in one of the stories about Whitner being pissed about being ranked 48th best FA that he improved to QB's having a 64 rating against him last season. His coverage skills were dramatically improved from the season prior.
Agree with you 100% on Rogers. He gave up a lot of 3rd and whatevers, long short whatever. An absolute liability on 3rd down.
[ Edited by WINiner on Mar 1, 2014 at 9:45 AM ]
Mar 2, 2014 at 6:09 PM
- niners_guy
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Real Talk
Pros:
- Winning Team.
- Player's Coach
- New Facilities
- Best Climate in the land.
- Lots of stuff to do.
Cons:
- Highest state personal income tax in all the land(13.3%). (Washington, Texas, Florida have zero personal income tax) That's a big chunk of your check!
- Third highest cost of living in the US.
- Traffic
So basically before we started winning, we had great climate with lots of things to do.
As has been mentioned, and from the mouth of Paraag himself. The draft provides wholesale price on players whereas you pay full retail in free agency.
Pros:
- Winning Team.
- Player's Coach
- New Facilities
- Best Climate in the land.
- Lots of stuff to do.
Cons:
- Highest state personal income tax in all the land(13.3%). (Washington, Texas, Florida have zero personal income tax) That's a big chunk of your check!
- Third highest cost of living in the US.
- Traffic
So basically before we started winning, we had great climate with lots of things to do.
As has been mentioned, and from the mouth of Paraag himself. The draft provides wholesale price on players whereas you pay full retail in free agency.
Mar 3, 2014 at 12:04 AM
- WildBill
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Originally posted by threelittlebirds:
Not in the sense you mean...
every free agent would entertain an offer by the 49ers, yes... but the 49ers aren't making any FA the highest paid at his position either...so, a lot of free agents would choose the higher bidder over the 49ers.
The 49ers are absolutely in the position to do what the 1994 49ers did though.. they could reach out and steal a lot of players on 1 year deals to win a SB. They have been in that position the last 2 years though... and they haven't done it.
Twist the knife.. the Seahawks copied the 1994 49ers mentality and they won out. Jed, Trent, and Jim need to copy that 1994 49ers approach too. These 49ers absolutely have that similar appeal and they need to take advantage of it...
If you followed the cap, they were not in that postion! Name me someone that would go for a 1 year deal that 100% would take the niners over the top like Dieon did? All of them have been like Dorsey, Whitner, Carlos. All them smart deals-many of them former number 1 picks themselves and more importantly-none of them broke the bank like some of the players that the zone was clamoring for.
Name brand FA and splash more often does not equal success of that player on a new team. Megatron or Fritz yes-but those are the players the opponent will lock up and never hit the market till they, and for all you Bill Walsh historians-always better to get rid of them a little to soon than to late.