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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good post.
Sometimes I feel we run the "WTF" offensewhen we are in the Red Zone.
Originally posted by Constantine:
I love the west coast personally, i grew up on it but whatever works to win win win
Originally posted by NCommand:You are bringing back WAY too many good memories. LOL
I gets that it's not 1994 anymore but the offense we was running was timeless IMO. Also shanahan has glowing things to say about kap leading up to the Washington game this year....I'm not saying, but I'm just saying
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Constantine:I love the west coast personally, i grew up on it but whatever works to win win win
Agreed...think a pro-stytle Spread (4-5 receiver options) would be most ideal for CK and the personnel we currently have.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
You are bringing back WAY too many good memories. LOL
Now don't get me wrong I love jim and everything he has done and I'm of the opinion the none sense that arose this weekend is overblown. But there is a part of me that sees mike shanahan currently out of a job and just thinks next year is the 20th anniversaryI gets that it's not 1994 anymore but the offense we was running was timeless IMO. Also shanahan has glowing things to say about kap leading up to the Washington game this year....I'm not saying, but I'm just saying
Of course in my dream, the two time championship head coach want to finish his career as an OC for a certain Bay Area team that didn't screw him over
Originally posted by teylo31:I agree. The reason I originally brought it up is because with the draft and the limited production we have had with the talent at wr outside of 2 players and rb outside of 1 player maybe we are not picking up the right pieces to the puzzle. I also think the puzzle needs to be better defined to find said pieces. Also with regards to the smash mouth running game at an 8 man box. Seems really successful when we spread and then run draws. This is not knock on anybody at the coaching level or higher. Just an observation and hope. It all cures with a SB 49 Win
Originally posted by Niners816:
Speaking of 1994, probably my favorite offensive performance poutside the Super Bowl was the Deion homecoming game at Atlanta. I remember it being an Absolute clinic in regards to both qb play and the WCO in general. Steve was 15/16 for 145 and 4 tds and had a 28-3 halftime lead. Here was the differnce between then and now, instead of padding his stAts and staying in, he didn't even play he second half. That is why as good as the niners qb numbers were I think it would be safe to say the left several tds and yards just by shutting it down with huge leads in the second half. The nfl today is sort of like a 12 year old playing madden, it is all about stats and fantasy numbers.
Now as for the title game vs Seattle, obviously Seattle made an adjustment to contain kaps legs in the second half. I still haven't rewatched it cause the pain is still pretty fresh, but I have little doubt a Walsh, holmgren or shanahan would have diagnosed the adjustment and exploited the new weakness. Speaking of WCO concepts, I think kap would excel on Texas concepts play. Hell we used to run that concept 5+ times a game. That's how watters caught 65 passes or more so how even Derrick loville had 85+ reception in 95. We make it way to easy on defense by not making them cover backs out of the back field.
Originally posted by thl408:
Right now, I see no reason why a LB would follow a 49er RB running to the flats.
Originally posted by thl408:My biggest complaint of the current offense - lack of passes to the RBs. I don't think/want the RBs to get that many catches, but somewhere in the around 2-3 per game is good. Just to keep defenses honest and respectful of the RBs as a receiving threat. I don't think Gore would actually fare that well in RAC as much as Hunter/LMJ would.
I'm not so sure how well the Texas route/concept would work for Kap since a LB is often left in the middle of the field to spy on Kap. That same LB would be in a good position to defend the Texas route. I think RB routes to the flats would work better due to the LB spy in the middle of the field. I do agree with your premise that RBs need to get more touches in the passing game. Once the LBs spread themselves horizontally to respect the RBs in the flats, it opens up the middle of the field. Right now, I see no reason why a LB would follow a 49er RB running to the flats.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
My biggest complaint of the current offense - lack of passes to the RBs. I don't think/want the RBs to get that many catches, but somewhere in the around 2-3 per game is good. Just to keep defenses honest and respectful of the RBs as a receiving threat. I don't think Gore would actually fare that well in RAC as much as Hunter/LMJ would.
I'm not so sure how well the Texas route/concept would work for Kap since a LB is often left in the middle of the field to spy on Kap. That same LB would be in a good position to defend the Texas route. I think RB routes to the flats would work better due to the LB spy in the middle of the field. I do agree with your premise that RBs need to get more touches in the passing game. Once the LBs spread themselves horizontally to respect the RBs in the flats, it opens up the middle of the field. Right now, I see no reason why a LB would follow a 49er RB running to the flats.
My thinking is since they would be spying kaep, u essentially have a lb guarding three option. You have the TE seam, the back angle and kap running. The lb takes the back, it makes the seam read on a saftey more clear or really opens a lane for kap. Now if he stays with kap the back route should be wide open. Kaps legs really are The ultimate equalizer and I think he would flourish in a sound structured WCO.
They used to spy steve a lot also and this concept worked really well. Especially with Vernon's speed he could really exploit that seam.
Originally posted by thl408:My biggest complaint of the current offense - lack of passes to the RBs. I don't think/want the RBs to get that many catches, but somewhere in the around 2-3 per game is good. Just to keep defenses honest and respectful of the RBs as a receiving threat. I don't think Gore would actually fare that well in RAC as much as Hunter/LMJ would.
I'm not so sure how well the Texas route/concept would work for Kap since a LB is often left in the middle of the field to spy on Kap. That same LB would be in a good position to defend the Texas route. I think RB routes to the flats would work better due to the LB spy in the middle of the field. I do agree with your premise that RBs need to get more touches in the passing game. Once the LBs spread themselves horizontally to respect the RBs in the flats, it opens up the middle of the field. Right now, I see no reason why a LB would follow a 49er RB running to the flats.
Originally posted by thl408:The Texas concept was a combination route with the RB/TE. I know you mentioned that above. This route combo was designed to beat a cover2 look as the TE split the two safties and beat a middle of the field open (MOFO) coverage. The 49ers are often facing MOFClosed looks so I see them running a lot of vertical sideline routes as well as corner routes that attack down the sidelines.
Good point on how Kap's legs can open up the RB's Texas route as the LB has three options. But this is provided that the two deep safties respect a deep threat down the sideline. There was no such threat on the 49ers last season. Moss was the reason why VD hit those seams when AS was here. As the safety respected Moss down the sideline, VD got room to operate down the middle seam. As it was last season, the deep saftey that closed the middle of the field would take away the TE vertical route down the middle of the field (hence VD running so many corner routes last season). This frees up the MLB from having to defend that TE route in the Texas route combination.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
The Texas concept was a combination route with the RB/TE. I know you mentioned that above. This route combo was designed to beat a cover2 look as the TE split the two safties and beat a middle of the field open (MOFO) coverage. The 49ers are often facing MOFClosed looks so I see them running a lot of vertical sideline routes as well as corner routes that attack down the sidelines.
Good point on how Kap's legs can open up the RB's Texas route as the LB has three options. But this is provided that the two deep safties respect a deep threat down the sideline. There was no such threat on the 49ers last season. Moss was the reason why VD hit those seams when AS was here. As the safety respected Moss down the sideline, VD got room to operate down the middle seam. As it was last season, the deep saftey that closed the middle of the field would take away the TE vertical route down the middle of the field (hence VD running so many corner routes last season). This frees up the MLB from having to defend that TE route in the Texas route combination.
All really good points, I think you could make Texas and automatic audible vs cover 2. Now I also think that Texas could be used in concert with a mofc/cover 3 beater such as curl-flAt or slant-arrow. Come out in a gun y-trip with the back on he strong side. You have the TE/back do Texas and the slot/wideout run curl-flat. But you are right, we have to get a burner to blow the top off these coverages.
