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Originally posted by Niners816:
We call a fair share of WCO concept passing plays, but at this time in kaeps development we don't necessarily run them in a WCO way. As I mention above, kaep doesnt always go through the whole progression series and get to the checkdowns portion. It will come in time, but he spent four years in an offense that really doesn't emulate a pro style one.
Originally posted by NCommand:To the OP, it took us a while to figure that out but we think we've got it narrowed down. But the REAL question now is, "What will our offense be going forward?"
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by thl408:1. when something works he , for no known reason, runs from it... running to get us to the five yard line in the super bowl, running the ball vs the colts
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by cciowa:
romanexcuses times 10
Your posts concerning Roman and the 49er offense are what I consider lazy and repetitive.
roman is lazy and repetitive. since you know what i am going to say about roman, do not read them and do not waste your energy responding to them
Didn't mean to come off as an ass. It's just that every time you have something to say about Roman, it's hate without any thoughtful football related topic. I listed 10 football reasons that I have read why people are not pleased with Roman, while admitting which ones I consider valid. You put zero thought into your response in an attempt to dismiss my post.
I don't consider it a waste of my energy to tell you that your posts about Roman are repetitive and lacking of insight. You responded directly to my post, so expect the same.
2. then he refuses, for no known reason, to change even while it is f**king killing us. run gore into a 9 man line and then have the nerve to tell the team vs the panthers in the first game you are not good enough to get a half yard on fourth and short from the goal line
3 retard calls at the worst possible time,,, cute calls, toss to williams with a wet ball on a wet field in a championship game vs giants,, fake toss pitch to ginn deep in our end zone vs the rams
4 his inability or unwillingless to fake the god damn run to set up the pass in the red zone. we did it one time I think vs the skins and of course we never used it again,,,,
5. using your best weapon in gore as a f**king decoy on third and goal and fourth and goal in the super bowl when you supposedly have the best run blocking line .
in town.
6 refusing to at least try to run a screen pass to backs like gore, hunter and james who can catch the ball and do something with it, not even to try
7play calling that defies belief,, oh I am sorry you want examples
7a two incomplete passes in a row and one is usually a sack because our o line is over rated in the pass protection game thus setting up third and long or third and predictable thus setting up another sack
7b two incomplete passes in a row and one is usually a sack because our o line is over rated in pass protection thus setting up third and long so he calls for a run up the middle to gore.
i am sure i or others could come up with more. now i am sure the bathwater drinkers of roman can point to james being the problem, the o line being the problem, JH being the problem but we are not talking about those people in this post are we. go back and listen to the monday night football game with the skins and gruden is practically beside himself at the play calls which of course made that game closer than it needed to be which is another thing i could list under 7 f**king c. Oh yes i know gruden is a idiot and f**kface so he does not know s**t but most of our wins this year were a helluva lot closer than they needed to be. i say that is a huge fault of roman in his play calling. We must have led the league in 30 second drives in games which rushed the defense back on the field and they got tired..
ok playcalling which results in 30 second drives when we needed long drives,, that could be under 7 f**king d. Now i am sure you will counter each one of those with some romanexcuse. had we not had the legs of ck to bail us out of trouble on infamous third and long calls which were a result of roman, had we not had a wonderful kicker in dawson to get us at least some points when we stalled time and time again in the red zone i am not sure we would have made it to seattle. That is why i say the team did an amazing job in spite of roman. and the topper is gore and ck changing plays in the huddle to plays that actually work and score touchdowns. that tells me everything i need to know about roman. there is your list so you can put it in your pipe and smoke it
Originally posted by ayetee:Originally posted by Niners816:We call a fair share of WCO concept passing plays, but at this time in kaeps development we don't necessarily run them in a WCO way. As I mention above, kaep doesnt always go through the whole progression series and get to the checkdowns portion. It will come in time, but he spent four years in an offense that really doesn't emulate a pro style one.
We do?
Originally posted by ayetee:
Originally posted by Niners816:
We call a fair share of WCO concept passing plays, but at this time in kaeps development we don't necessarily run them in a WCO way. As I mention above, kaep doesnt always go through the whole progression series and get to the checkdowns portion. It will come in time, but he spent four years in an offense that really doesn't emulate a pro style one.
We do?
Originally posted by cciowa:Damn man, so much anger. I commend you, though, for raising football issues with examples.
Originally posted by thl408:1. when something works he , for no known reason, runs from it... running to get us to the five yard line in the super bowl, running the ball vs the colts
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by cciowa:
romanexcuses times 10
Your posts concerning Roman and the 49er offense are what I consider lazy and repetitive.
roman is lazy and repetitive. since you know what i am going to say about roman, do not read them and do not waste your energy responding to them
Didn't mean to come off as an ass. It's just that every time you have something to say about Roman, it's hate without any thoughtful football related topic. I listed 10 football reasons that I have read why people are not pleased with Roman, while admitting which ones I consider valid. You put zero thought into your response in an attempt to dismiss my post.
I don't consider it a waste of my energy to tell you that your posts about Roman are repetitive and lacking of insight. You responded directly to my post, so expect the same.
2. then he refuses, for no known reason, to change even while it is f**king killing us. run gore into a 9 man line and then have the nerve to tell the team vs the panthers in the first game you are not good enough to get a half yard on fourth and short from the goal line
3 retard calls at the worst possible time,,, cute calls, toss to williams with a wet ball on a wet field in a championship game vs giants,, fake toss pitch to ginn deep in our end zone vs the rams
4 his inability or unwillingless to fake the god damn run to set up the pass in the red zone. we did it one time I think vs the skins and of course we never used it again,,,,
5. using your best weapon in gore as a f**king decoy on third and goal and fourth and goal in the super bowl when you supposedly have the best run blocking line .
in town.
6 refusing to at least try to run a screen pass to backs like gore, hunter and james who can catch the ball and do something with it, not even to try
7play calling that defies belief,, oh I am sorry you want examples
7a two incomplete passes in a row and one is usually a sack because our o line is over rated in the pass protection game thus setting up third and long or third and predictable thus setting up another sack
7b two incomplete passes in a row and one is usually a sack because our o line is over rated in pass protection thus setting up third and long so he calls for a run up the middle to gore.
i am sure i or others could come up with more. now i am sure the bathwater drinkers of roman can point to james being the problem, the o line being the problem, JH being the problem but we are not talking about those people in this post are we. go back and listen to the monday night football game with the skins and gruden is practically beside himself at the play calls which of course made that game closer than it needed to be which is another thing i could list under 7 f**king c. Oh yes i know gruden is a idiot and f**kface so he does not know s**t but most of our wins this year were a helluva lot closer than they needed to be. i say that is a huge fault of roman in his play calling. We must have led the league in 30 second drives in games which rushed the defense back on the field and they got tired..
ok playcalling which results in 30 second drives when we needed long drives,, that could be under 7 f**king d. Now i am sure you will counter each one of those with some romanexcuse. had we not had the legs of ck to bail us out of trouble on infamous third and long calls which were a result of roman, had we not had a wonderful kicker in dawson to get us at least some points when we stalled time and time again in the red zone i am not sure we would have made it to seattle. That is why i say the team did an amazing job in spite of roman. and the topper is gore and ck changing plays in the huddle to plays that actually work and score touchdowns. that tells me everything i need to know about roman. there is your list so you can put it in your pipe and smoke it
Originally posted by thl408:
Damn man, so much anger. I commend you, though, for raising football issues with examples.
1. when something works he , for no known reason, runs from it...:
You brought up a good example in the IND game. I also thought they should have stuck with the run in the second half. In the SB, there was a run called on 1st down (LMJ stuffed), and a QB bootleg called on 3rd down before a timeout was called.
2. run gore into a 9 man line and then have the nerve to tell the team vs the panthers in the first game you are not good enough to get a half yard on fourth and short from the goal line:
I already stated why the 49ers do this. To try and establish the run and get the play action game going. About the CAR regular season game you used as an example of him not going for it on 4th down, do you really think that was an offensive coordinator's decision to kick a FG or go for it? It is not. That is a head coach's decision.
3. I already mentioned the cute play to Ginn and I hated it. You just used it again. He does get too cute. I also cited the end around pass from Boldin to Crabs in the CAR playoff game. That was a stupid playcall, on top of what looked like a LMJ pass in the nfccg.
4. inability or unwillingless to fake the god damn run to set up the pass in the red zone. we did it one time I think vs the skins and of course we never used it again:
I created a thread called "all22 look at all 50 Touchdowns". In it, VD must have caught at least 5 TDs in the very manner in which you described. I know you don't like looking at pictures, so I will post 2 GIFs from that thread below. There are more play action passes in the red zone that result in TDs in that thread if you wish to look, on top of the one you referred to in the WAS game.
5. Back to those sequence of plays again from the SB again. I got nothing for you there. The 49ers chose to pass, they didn't score so they should have ran. Had they ran and not scored, we are here b***hing about how they should have passed. This hurts to re-visit in depth so I'll just say that one of those plays was going to be a QB bootleg but a timeout was called. Kap addressed this very play in an offseason interview and said he thought they would have scored. I'm done with this drive, you made your point.
6. refusing to at least try to run a screen pass to backs like gore, hunter and james who can catch the ball and do something with it, not even to try
There is a thread about the screen pass and why the 49ers aren't good at it. Below are two GIFs from that thread. If you didn't notice any screen passes by the 49ers, then I question whether you are able to recognize a screen pass unless it results in a large gain.
Notice how slow Iupati is getting out to his block. Had Kap thrown this screen pass, Hunter gets taken down immediately because Iupati and Boone fail to get that LB in the middle of the screen #52.
Here's a Gore screen pass that fails miserably.
And of course, one to LMJ that fails. Look at all those LBs ready to tackle LMJ.
Post #41 has more, and those were just the ones I quickly found scanning through the season, up to that point in the season (mid December). It's not all bad, they got some middle screens to work to the RBs: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/176222-screen-pass-argument/page3/
7abcde:
Stuff about bad playcalling. I get it.
I am not a Roman bathwater drinker. If you read the posts above this one, I acknowledge his shortcomings. I try to see all sides and stay objective. You seem to have been permanently jaded by the SB's final drive. So much so that Roman can do no right. How did you not see all the playaction passes to score in the red zone this past season? How did you not see the screen passes that get attempted? It's because your disgust for Roman is set in stone and you are blind with hatred. If you step back and look at what he is, he is a solid OC with some obvious faults. You have shown me all I need to know in terms of how much you know the 49ers. Any points you raise in the future regarding anything related to 49ers' offense are now invalid to me, so put that in your corn pipe and smoke it.
Oh, and to those that said the post I quoted above was a good post, it is not. There is plenty of misinformation.
Originally posted by cciowa:
talking points??? romans faults are now talking points?? have you watched our offense when roman is at his finest? just because many people think roman to be a retard, especially at key times during key games, we are a "click"? i know some peoples job around here is to carry the water for roman but holy cow.
Originally posted by Shorteous:"
Originally posted by cciowa:
talking points??? romans faults are now talking points?? have you watched our offense when roman is at his finest? just because many people think roman to be a retard, especially at key times during key games, we are a "click"? i know some peoples job around here is to carry the water for roman but holy cow.
Hey don't let me distract you, you need to be worried about THL408 cause he schooled your ranting post.
