Enough hate on Jim/Trent-- focus hate on Ownership

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Gotta put this on JH and Trent. Can't blame ownership as of right now. It will be on ownership if this continues to fester though. They need to drag both of them into the office and get it right.

jesus, are people reading what the beat writers report? this has nothing to do w/ JH/Trent..JH wants to be the highest paid coach in the nfl, that's what the stalemate is

York isn't ready to pay him that until he wins a superbowl

Jim has a damn good case based on the fact he just built york a stadium for free thru SBL sales soaring w/ each of his winning seasons

I read but i think Baalke and JH do have friction along with Jim wanting to get paid. I don't think it's just one issue.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by pd24:
What if they had went with another coach that year and won the Superbowl? Does it get funded?

that's a big hypothetical..lets deal in reality cuz another coach (dingleberry) failed miserably w/ this roster as did nolan

Yours is a big hypothetical also. There is no way to tell how many games we would have won or how many SBL's they would have sold if Harbaugh wasn't the coach.

Sure it helped. What about our owner Jed did? The guy we are supposed to hate?

YORK KNEW THE money men would play hardball. He was sitting in a New York skyscraper in the summer of 2011, having finished a pitch to a major bank. Seated next to him was his new team president, Gideon Yu, then 40, the former CFO of Facebook and YouTube whom York had hired with a clear mission: Persuade banks to loan $1.3 billion to the franchise and an agency that would manage the stadium.

It was ballsy that York and Yu were even pitching banks in 2011. After joining the team, Yu -- tall and skinny, a fast talker and an even faster thinker -- had produced a stadium state-of-the-union report, detailing the reasons the project could meet York's 2015 deadline. Even with $200 million from the NFL in startup money, York had to raise nearly $1 billion over the next two years, more than twice what most owners borrow for new stadiums. But after he discussed with Yu the combination of low interest rates on loans, good projections on ticket sales and how Silicon Valley's young millionaires would buy expensive suites, he asked his team president, "Why can't we just do it now?"

By that, York meant accelerating the stadium opening to 2014. Yu felt it was a huge risk. To meet construction deadlines, they'd have to raise $850 million in about a month. Yu reminded York that banks usually entertain such requests only once, and they would need to see how the loan would be repaid. But the 49ers were still working on sponsorships and had yet to sell any seat licenses. And if they couldn't sell hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of those licenses, the family might have to sell the team -- or, per league rules, the NFL could seize it and sell it -- to repay the loan. "That would be the consequence of a bad decision," Yu says now.
The public humiliation from losing the family's prized possession would be worse than Louisiana. But as York puts it, "If you believe in something, you're willing to take the risk." He and Yu set up 50 meetings in Manhattan with executives of the world's biggest banks and spent weeks working 18-hour days to prepare.

They were nervous, and they knew that the banks would try to exploit their desperation. In one of the first meetings, they got an offer to finance the entire $850 million -- with a catch: The bank wanted to include naming rights, which were valued at more than $200 million. York immediately said no. Yu sat next to him, astonished. York's entire life was riding on this deal, but after years of asking people to show faith in him, he showed confidence in himself and moved on to the next bank. The decision confirmed to Yu what he had suspected when he left Mark Zuckerberg to join the 49ers: that his current boss was as wired to "take on the world" as his former one was.

Then it happened: A bank said yes to partially funding the stadium -- without getting naming rights. And then others began to follow. Emerging from one meeting in a 49th-floor conference room, York ran toward Yu and hugged him so hard that they fell over in the hallway.

A few weeks later, York took the call bearing the loan that put them over the top. This time, he actually did cry. "You just say, 'Wow,'" York says. "Nobody thought we could do this. We were literally the only people in the world who thought this could happen, and it did."

Several months later, in April 2012, York stood in front of a crane and a large crowd. He wore a three-piece suit, like his grandfather would have. When it was his turn at the podium, the crowd cheered louder than for anyone else. Leaning into the mic, he looked to his parents, seated in front. "I don't think anyone knows what you've been through to get this stadium built," he said. His eyes soon welled up, and he looked down, burying whatever was about to surface. Minutes later, York dug a gold shovel into dirt. Confetti fell. Everybody hugged

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9748887/san-francisco-49ers-owner-turned-franchise-stadium-espn-magazine

We have a very smart owner.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Not going to hate on ownership. The York's have done a great job bringing in talented people into the organization, and getting the new stadium built.

Harbaugh is a difficult person to deal with. John is on record saying Jim has alienated most people he's met in his life. That's nothing new. I think Jed York has been very clear that he believes coaches coach, GM's handle personnel, and ownership pays for whatever they need.

This is not about money for Jim. Any beef with Baalke has to stem from the personnel side of things. Harbaugh wants more control of the entire football operation, and of course that is going to cause problems with Baalke, and complicate his contract negotiations.

History has proven HC/GMs fail miserably. That is simply not an efficient way to run the team. I applaud ownership for taking a hard line stance on that. I don't want to lose Jim or Trent. Despite all the reports, I don't see it happening. We're winning games and are so close to winning the SB.

where do you get the impression that jim wants more power? he wants to be the highest paid HC in the nfl

york has said that jim knows he can't work 18hrs as a HC and 18hrs as a GM and respect highly the work baalke does

this is about being the highest paid coach in the nfl

he has his case..he just built them a free stadium

I get that impression based on his rift with Baalke. That's the big headline. Baalke is the personnel guy. Any beef between them means there is big disagreements in player acquisitions.

I'm just connecting the dots here. Why do you think it's been so difficult to extend Harbaugh despite all the success? It should be a no-brainer for both sides. The problem is that when the HC wants more power, that complicates the contract negotiations.

Of course Harbaugh wants more money, but money is not the big issue. It's giving him more power, thereby diminishing Baalke's role on the team, or completely getting rid of him altogether.

yeah if it were purely about money i think they'd just piece him off. like when you want to spend $5 on something at the grocery store but they only have the $10 kind. you need the product and can afford it, so you pay the extra $5 because you can. they can make him the highest paid no problem but its not happeneing. either they're super hung up on not paying a non-sb winning coach top dollar, or he is asking for more gm type responsibility.

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Originally posted by Marvin49:
OK...this has been bugging me for awhile...

Why pay him now? I mean, if they can come to an agreement, great. Thats' wonderful...but why is everyone is such an incredible hurry to give him a ton of money right now? He has TWO years left on his contract. Not one, but TWO. Pete Carroll has 1 year left. They didn't redo his deal last year.

It's not that I don't want Harbaugh to get a new contract, its just I'm wondering how Jed York somehow because a villain here.

The media and we fans are blowing all of this out or proportion. "We HAVE to extend him!!!". "The sky is falling!!!!".

Chill the hell out peoples. He's locked up for 2 years. He ain't going back to college without a SB ring.

On a side note, I actually SAW Jed today. He was walking into a local restraunt (and I use the term loosely because its actually a converted house) in Alviso called Maria Elenas.

I think a lot of ppl are looking for an extension now b/c it will basically put all this drama to rest.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
jesus, are people reading what the beat writers report? this has nothing to do w/ JH/Trent..JH wants to be the highest paid coach in the nfl, that's what the stalemate is

York isn't ready to pay him that until he wins a superbowl

Jim has a damn good case based on the fact he just built york a stadium for free thru SBL sales soaring w/ each of his winning seasons

So Harabugh "built" the stadium in your opinion... Does that mean the players did not "build" the stadium? It is all on Harbaugh?

no i said the players/jim etc in previous posts....jim as head coach has a damn good case that he sold those SBL's for york and deserves to be paid as the highest

disagree?

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by pd24:
What if they had went with another coach that year and won the Superbowl? Does it get funded?

that's a big hypothetical..lets deal in reality cuz another coach (dingleberry) failed miserably w/ this roster as did nolan

Yours is a big hypothetical also. There is no way to tell how many games we would have won or how many SBL's they would have sold if Harbaugh wasn't the coach.

Sure it helped. What about our owner Jed did? The guy we are supposed to hate?

YORK KNEW THE money men would play hardball. He was sitting in a New York skyscraper in the summer of 2011, having finished a pitch to a major bank. Seated next to him was his new team president, Gideon Yu, then 40, the former CFO of Facebook and YouTube whom York had hired with a clear mission: Persuade banks to loan $1.3 billion to the franchise and an agency that would manage the stadium.

It was ballsy that York and Yu were even pitching banks in 2011. After joining the team, Yu -- tall and skinny, a fast talker and an even faster thinker -- had produced a stadium state-of-the-union report, detailing the reasons the project could meet York's 2015 deadline. Even with $200 million from the NFL in startup money, York had to raise nearly $1 billion over the next two years, more than twice what most owners borrow for new stadiums. But after he discussed with Yu the combination of low interest rates on loans, good projections on ticket sales and how Silicon Valley's young millionaires would buy expensive suites, he asked his team president, "Why can't we just do it now?"

By that, York meant accelerating the stadium opening to 2014. Yu felt it was a huge risk. To meet construction deadlines, they'd have to raise $850 million in about a month. Yu reminded York that banks usually entertain such requests only once, and they would need to see how the loan would be repaid. But the 49ers were still working on sponsorships and had yet to sell any seat licenses. And if they couldn't sell hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of those licenses, the family might have to sell the team -- or, per league rules, the NFL could seize it and sell it -- to repay the loan. "That would be the consequence of a bad decision," Yu says now.
The public humiliation from losing the family's prized possession would be worse than Louisiana. But as York puts it, "If you believe in something, you're willing to take the risk." He and Yu set up 50 meetings in Manhattan with executives of the world's biggest banks and spent weeks working 18-hour days to prepare.

They were nervous, and they knew that the banks would try to exploit their desperation. In one of the first meetings, they got an offer to finance the entire $850 million -- with a catch: The bank wanted to include naming rights, which were valued at more than $200 million. York immediately said no. Yu sat next to him, astonished. York's entire life was riding on this deal, but after years of asking people to show faith in him, he showed confidence in himself and moved on to the next bank. The decision confirmed to Yu what he had suspected when he left Mark Zuckerberg to join the 49ers: that his current boss was as wired to "take on the world" as his former one was.

Then it happened: A bank said yes to partially funding the stadium -- without getting naming rights. And then others began to follow. Emerging from one meeting in a 49th-floor conference room, York ran toward Yu and hugged him so hard that they fell over in the hallway.

A few weeks later, York took the call bearing the loan that put them over the top. This time, he actually did cry. "You just say, 'Wow,'" York says. "Nobody thought we could do this. We were literally the only people in the world who thought this could happen, and it did."

Several months later, in April 2012, York stood in front of a crane and a large crowd. He wore a three-piece suit, like his grandfather would have. When it was his turn at the podium, the crowd cheered louder than for anyone else. Leaning into the mic, he looked to his parents, seated in front. "I don't think anyone knows what you've been through to get this stadium built," he said. His eyes soon welled up, and he looked down, burying whatever was about to surface. Minutes later, York dug a gold shovel into dirt. Confetti fell. Everybody hugged

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9748887/san-francisco-49ers-owner-turned-franchise-stadium-espn-magazine

We have a very smart owner.

Jed better learn from his dad's mistakes...Got rid of Mariucci with no back up plan and we went from a playoff team to having the first pick in the draft within 2 years...

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I get that impression based on his rift with Baalke. That's the big headline. Baalke is the personnel guy. Any beef between them means there is big disagreements in player acquisitions.

I'm just connecting the dots here. Why do you think it's been so difficult to extend Harbaugh despite all the success? It should be a no-brainer for both sides. The problem is that when the HC wants more power, that complicates the contract negotiations.

Of course Harbaugh wants more money, but money is not the big issue. It's giving him more power, thereby diminishing Baalke's role on the team, or completely getting rid of him altogether.

well, york has said he would happily make jim the highest paid coach if he wins the superbowl...jim wants to be the highest paid coach w/o winning the superbowl

as i said in a previous post...

york's metric is win the superbowl

harbaugh's agent will say my client just directly impacted the sale of 95% sbl's that funded a free stadium...i dont' see any other coaches that just built their owners a free stadium fueled by team success

as a fan, i originally sided w/ york but the more i think about it harbaugh has a great case, and as an SBL owner myself...pay the fckin man i bought my SBL's cuz of the success he's brought on the field

Originally posted by Marvin49:
OK...this has been bugging me for awhile...

Why pay him now? I mean, if they can come to an agreement, great. Thats' wonderful...but why is everyone is such an incredible hurry to give him a ton of money right now? He has TWO years left on his contract. Not one, but TWO. Pete Carroll has 1 year left. They didn't redo his deal last year.

It's not that I don't want Harbaugh to get a new contract, its just I'm wondering how Jed York somehow because a villain here.

The media and we fans are blowing all of this out or proportion. "We HAVE to extend him!!!". "The sky is falling!!!!".

Chill the hell out peoples. He's locked up for 2 years. He ain't going back to college without a SB ring.

On a side note, I actually SAW Jed today. He was walking into a local restraunt (and I use the term loosely because its actually a converted house) in Alviso called Maria Elenas.

on the flip side, why make him wait? as far as pete carroll not getting extended last offseason, he was coming off of his 1st winning season in 3 years there. which is not anything like harbaughs first 3 seasons. not a good example in my mind. you got 1 coach with 1 winning season in 3 years and another with 3 final 4 appearances in 3 years. pete also makes more than jim and was higher up the food chain in coaches salary last offseason.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
OK...this has been bugging me for awhile...

Why pay him now? I mean, if they can come to an agreement, great. Thats' wonderful...but why is everyone is such an incredible hurry to give him a ton of money right now? He has TWO years left on his contract. Not one, but TWO. Pete Carroll has 1 year left. They didn't redo his deal last year.

It's not that I don't want Harbaugh to get a new contract, its just I'm wondering how Jed York somehow because a villain here.

The media and we fans are blowing all of this out or proportion. "We HAVE to extend him!!!". "The sky is falling!!!!".

Chill the hell out peoples. He's locked up for 2 years. He ain't going back to college without a SB ring.

On a side note, I actually SAW Jed today. He was walking into a local restraunt (and I use the term loosely because its actually a converted house) in Alviso called Maria Elenas.

marvin...i don't care when they pay him but harbaugh won't sign a deal unless it makes him the highest paid coach in the nfl

if we don't win the superbowl next yr...york won't suddenly make him the highest paid coach in the nfl

if he doesn't..would u be pissed?

cuz i know ur a SBL owner.....as am i, i bought it cuz of the success harbaugh was having..he deserves to be the highest paid for helping the york's build a free stadium

Originally posted by pd24:
Sure it helped. What about our owner Jed did? The guy we are supposed to hate?

YORK KNEW THE money men would play hardball. He was sitting in a New York skyscraper in the summer of 2011, having finished a pitch to a major bank. Seated next to him was his new team president, Gideon Yu, then 40, the former CFO of Facebook and YouTube whom York had hired with a clear mission: Persuade banks to loan $1.3 billion to the franchise and an agency that would manage the stadium.

It was ballsy that York and Yu were even pitching banks in 2011. After joining the team, Yu -- tall and skinny, a fast talker and an even faster thinker -- had produced a stadium state-of-the-union report, detailing the reasons the project could meet York's 2015 deadline. Even with $200 million from the NFL in startup money, York had to raise nearly $1 billion over the next two years, more than twice what most owners borrow for new stadiums. But after he discussed with Yu the combination of low interest rates on loans, good projections on ticket sales and how Silicon Valley's young millionaires would buy expensive suites, he asked his team president, "Why can't we just do it now?"

By that, York meant accelerating the stadium opening to 2014. Yu felt it was a huge risk. To meet construction deadlines, they'd have to raise $850 million in about a month. Yu reminded York that banks usually entertain such requests only once, and they would need to see how the loan would be repaid. But the 49ers were still working on sponsorships and had yet to sell any seat licenses. And if they couldn't sell hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of those licenses, the family might have to sell the team -- or, per league rules, the NFL could seize it and sell it -- to repay the loan. "That would be the consequence of a bad decision," Yu says now.
The public humiliation from losing the family's prized possession would be worse than Louisiana. But as York puts it, "If you believe in something, you're willing to take the risk." He and Yu set up 50 meetings in Manhattan with executives of the world's biggest banks and spent weeks working 18-hour days to prepare.

They were nervous, and they knew that the banks would try to exploit their desperation. In one of the first meetings, they got an offer to finance the entire $850 million -- with a catch: The bank wanted to include naming rights, which were valued at more than $200 million. York immediately said no. Yu sat next to him, astonished. York's entire life was riding on this deal, but after years of asking people to show faith in him, he showed confidence in himself and moved on to the next bank. The decision confirmed to Yu what he had suspected when he left Mark Zuckerberg to join the 49ers: that his current boss was as wired to "take on the world" as his former one was.

Then it happened: A bank said yes to partially funding the stadium -- without getting naming rights. And then others began to follow. Emerging from one meeting in a 49th-floor conference room, York ran toward Yu and hugged him so hard that they fell over in the hallway.

A few weeks later, York took the call bearing the loan that put them over the top. This time, he actually did cry. "You just say, 'Wow,'" York says. "Nobody thought we could do this. We were literally the only people in the world who thought this could happen, and it did."

Several months later, in April 2012, York stood in front of a crane and a large crowd. He wore a three-piece suit, like his grandfather would have. When it was his turn at the podium, the crowd cheered louder than for anyone else. Leaning into the mic, he looked to his parents, seated in front. "I don't think anyone knows what you've been through to get this stadium built," he said. His eyes soon welled up, and he looked down, burying whatever was about to surface. Minutes later, York dug a gold shovel into dirt. Confetti fell. Everybody hugged

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9748887/san-francisco-49ers-owner-turned-franchise-stadium-espn-magazine

We have a very smart owner.

yeah, confident cuz of the product on the field that harbaugh was driving which allowed him to sell those SBL's

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by pd24:
Sure it helped. What about our owner Jed did? The guy we are supposed to hate?

YORK KNEW THE money men would play hardball. He was sitting in a New York skyscraper in the summer of 2011, having finished a pitch to a major bank. Seated next to him was his new team president, Gideon Yu, then 40, the former CFO of Facebook and YouTube whom York had hired with a clear mission: Persuade banks to loan $1.3 billion to the franchise and an agency that would manage the stadium.

It was ballsy that York and Yu were even pitching banks in 2011. After joining the team, Yu -- tall and skinny, a fast talker and an even faster thinker -- had produced a stadium state-of-the-union report, detailing the reasons the project could meet York's 2015 deadline. Even with $200 million from the NFL in startup money, York had to raise nearly $1 billion over the next two years, more than twice what most owners borrow for new stadiums. But after he discussed with Yu the combination of low interest rates on loans, good projections on ticket sales and how Silicon Valley's young millionaires would buy expensive suites, he asked his team president, "Why can't we just do it now?"

By that, York meant accelerating the stadium opening to 2014. Yu felt it was a huge risk. To meet construction deadlines, they'd have to raise $850 million in about a month. Yu reminded York that banks usually entertain such requests only once, and they would need to see how the loan would be repaid. But the 49ers were still working on sponsorships and had yet to sell any seat licenses. And if they couldn't sell hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of those licenses, the family might have to sell the team -- or, per league rules, the NFL could seize it and sell it -- to repay the loan. "That would be the consequence of a bad decision," Yu says now.
The public humiliation from losing the family's prized possession would be worse than Louisiana. But as York puts it, "If you believe in something, you're willing to take the risk." He and Yu set up 50 meetings in Manhattan with executives of the world's biggest banks and spent weeks working 18-hour days to prepare.

They were nervous, and they knew that the banks would try to exploit their desperation. In one of the first meetings, they got an offer to finance the entire $850 million -- with a catch: The bank wanted to include naming rights, which were valued at more than $200 million. York immediately said no. Yu sat next to him, astonished. York's entire life was riding on this deal, but after years of asking people to show faith in him, he showed confidence in himself and moved on to the next bank. The decision confirmed to Yu what he had suspected when he left Mark Zuckerberg to join the 49ers: that his current boss was as wired to "take on the world" as his former one was.

Then it happened: A bank said yes to partially funding the stadium -- without getting naming rights. And then others began to follow. Emerging from one meeting in a 49th-floor conference room, York ran toward Yu and hugged him so hard that they fell over in the hallway.

A few weeks later, York took the call bearing the loan that put them over the top. This time, he actually did cry. "You just say, 'Wow,'" York says. "Nobody thought we could do this. We were literally the only people in the world who thought this could happen, and it did."

Several months later, in April 2012, York stood in front of a crane and a large crowd. He wore a three-piece suit, like his grandfather would have. When it was his turn at the podium, the crowd cheered louder than for anyone else. Leaning into the mic, he looked to his parents, seated in front. "I don't think anyone knows what you've been through to get this stadium built," he said. His eyes soon welled up, and he looked down, burying whatever was about to surface. Minutes later, York dug a gold shovel into dirt. Confetti fell. Everybody hugged

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9748887/san-francisco-49ers-owner-turned-franchise-stadium-espn-magazine

We have a very smart owner.

yeah, confident cuz of the product on the field that harbaugh was driving which allowed him to sell those SBL's

He started this in the Summer, before a regular season game was played. Jed was going to get it done, no matter who the coach was. Broke ground within a year.

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I get that impression based on his rift with Baalke. That's the big headline. Baalke is the personnel guy. Any beef between them means there is big disagreements in player acquisitions.

I'm just connecting the dots here. Why do you think it's been so difficult to extend Harbaugh despite all the success? It should be a no-brainer for both sides. The problem is that when the HC wants more power, that complicates the contract negotiations.

Of course Harbaugh wants more money, but money is not the big issue. It's giving him more power, thereby diminishing Baalke's role on the team, or completely getting rid of him altogether.

well, york has said he would happily make jim the highest paid coach if he wins the superbowl...jim wants to be the highest paid coach w/o winning the superbowl

as i said in a previous post...

york's metric is win the superbowl

harbaugh's agent will say my client just directly impacted the sale of 95% sbl's that funded a free stadium...i dont' see any other coaches that just built their owners a free stadium fueled by team success

as a fan, i originally sided w/ york but the more i think about it harbaugh has a great case, and as an SBL owner myself...pay the fckin man i bought my SBL's cuz of the success he's brought on the field

I think both guys make fair arguments. That's the point of negotiations. They're on opposite sides of the issue, and they both need to compromise to get something done.

I used to think it was all about the money, but the recent reports of a big rift with Baalke changed that. There is also a power struggle going on, further complicating matters.

I know that Jed said money was the reason for the hold up, but at the same time, I wouldn't expect him to admit there was a serious rift between the HC and GM. People were wondering what the hold up was. He did not want that to get out to the media, so he said it was just about the money. At least that's my take on it.

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