Enough hate on Jim/Trent-- focus hate on Ownership

Originally posted by AUniner:
Is this like when Jim "Diego" Harbaugh built that house in South America. Bet them cheap f**kers didn't pay either.

You're making this sound like an extremely simple problem when I'm sure it's far more complex than you believe.

barrows and maiocco have both said jim wants to be the highest paid and jed isn't willing to do that til he wins a superbowl

delaying the inevitable, he's going to be the highest paid that isn't even debatable, its a matter of what team

Originally posted by pd24:
Sure it helped. What about our owner Jed did? The guy we are supposed to hate?

YORK KNEW THE money men would play hardball. He was sitting in a New York skyscraper in the summer of 2011, having finished a pitch to a major bank. Seated next to him was his new team president, Gideon Yu, then 40, the former CFO of Facebook and YouTube whom York had hired with a clear mission: Persuade banks to loan $1.3 billion to the franchise and an agency that would manage the stadium.

It was ballsy that York and Yu were even pitching banks in 2011. After joining the team, Yu -- tall and skinny, a fast talker and an even faster thinker -- had produced a stadium state-of-the-union report, detailing the reasons the project could meet York's 2015 deadline. Even with $200 million from the NFL in startup money, York had to raise nearly $1 billion over the next two years, more than twice what most owners borrow for new stadiums. But after he discussed with Yu the combination of low interest rates on loans, good projections on ticket sales and how Silicon Valley's young millionaires would buy expensive suites, he asked his team president, "Why can't we just do it now?"

By that, York meant accelerating the stadium opening to 2014. Yu felt it was a huge risk. To meet construction deadlines, they'd have to raise $850 million in about a month. Yu reminded York that banks usually entertain such requests only once, and they would need to see how the loan would be repaid. But the 49ers were still working on sponsorships and had yet to sell any seat licenses. And if they couldn't sell hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of those licenses, the family might have to sell the team -- or, per league rules, the NFL could seize it and sell it -- to repay the loan. "That would be the consequence of a bad decision," Yu says now.
The public humiliation from losing the family's prized possession would be worse than Louisiana. But as York puts it, "If you believe in something, you're willing to take the risk." He and Yu set up 50 meetings in Manhattan with executives of the world's biggest banks and spent weeks working 18-hour days to prepare.

They were nervous, and they knew that the banks would try to exploit their desperation. In one of the first meetings, they got an offer to finance the entire $850 million -- with a catch: The bank wanted to include naming rights, which were valued at more than $200 million. York immediately said no. Yu sat next to him, astonished. York's entire life was riding on this deal, but after years of asking people to show faith in him, he showed confidence in himself and moved on to the next bank. The decision confirmed to Yu what he had suspected when he left Mark Zuckerberg to join the 49ers: that his current boss was as wired to "take on the world" as his former one was.

Then it happened: A bank said yes to partially funding the stadium -- without getting naming rights. And then others began to follow. Emerging from one meeting in a 49th-floor conference room, York ran toward Yu and hugged him so hard that they fell over in the hallway.

A few weeks later, York took the call bearing the loan that put them over the top. This time, he actually did cry. "You just say, 'Wow,'" York says. "Nobody thought we could do this. We were literally the only people in the world who thought this could happen, and it did."

Several months later, in April 2012, York stood in front of a crane and a large crowd. He wore a three-piece suit, like his grandfather would have. When it was his turn at the podium, the crowd cheered louder than for anyone else. Leaning into the mic, he looked to his parents, seated in front. "I don't think anyone knows what you've been through to get this stadium built," he said. His eyes soon welled up, and he looked down, burying whatever was about to surface. Minutes later, York dug a gold shovel into dirt. Confetti fell. Everybody hugged

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9748887/san-francisco-49ers-owner-turned-franchise-stadium-espn-magazine

We have a very smart owner.

I remember reading that story. gave me chills.

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
OK...this has been bugging me for awhile...

Why pay him now? I mean, if they can come to an agreement, great. Thats' wonderful...but why is everyone is such an incredible hurry to give him a ton of money right now? He has TWO years left on his contract. Not one, but TWO. Pete Carroll has 1 year left. They didn't redo his deal last year.

It's not that I don't want Harbaugh to get a new contract, its just I'm wondering how Jed York somehow because a villain here.

The media and we fans are blowing all of this out or proportion. "We HAVE to extend him!!!". "The sky is falling!!!!".

Chill the hell out peoples. He's locked up for 2 years. He ain't going back to college without a SB ring.

On a side note, I actually SAW Jed today. He was walking into a local restraunt (and I use the term loosely because its actually a converted house) in Alviso called Maria Elenas.

marvin...i don't care when they pay him but harbaugh won't sign a deal unless it makes him the highest paid coach in the nfl

if we don't win the superbowl next yr...york won't suddenly make him the highest paid coach in the nfl

if he doesn't..would u be pissed?

cuz i know ur a SBL owner.....as am i, i bought it cuz of the success harbaugh was having..he deserves to be the highest paid for helping the york's build a free stadium

So if the trade happened and he went to the Browns you would be jumping all over his nuts there too?... iLLbrown?

Matt M. says if it comes down to it Baalke wins out and stays

If the 49ers dont recognize that Harbaugh is the reason were winning, theyre retarded. Trent Baalke is just another talent evaluator. Hes replaceable. Jim Harbaugh has the football mind that wins games. Teams would be willing to offer multiple draft picks for Harbaugh, not for Baalke.

If its true that the two of them cant get along, you give Baalke the boot. Look at Scot McCloughan up in SEA. He was a drunken idiot while he was here. Now hes a SB champion GM? People give NFL GM's too much credit.

It sucks that they cant both get along, but if someone has to go, the answer is clear. Its the guy who doesnt directly relate to how many wins we have each season. Baalke can take his alpha personality elsewhere. Harbaugh + a new GM would still win games. Baalke + a new coach they find in college or currently unwanted in the NFL would NOT win games. Its that simple.

I honestly dont think its a money issue. Harbaugh doesnt count against the cap, and theyre about to make a buttload on new ticket prices. I think it has to do with disgruntled relationships. The 49ers are at a crossroads, and have to decide which party to keep. The side that actually wins the games, or the side that just makes the decisions on who plays on the team.

If theyre smart, theyll realize Harbaugh is the only irreplaceable one.

Why hate on any of them? They are professionals, working out their differences, let them work, and ignore the offseason national media trolls.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Why hate on any of them? They are professionals, working out their differences, let them work, and ignore the offseason national media trolls.

That would be nice.

Don't hate theeeeeeeeeeemmmm

I think JH is great and should be paid more.

That said, IMO, he wants more power.

Let's take a close look at that.

IMO,I think a lot of his decisions SUCK! Like keeping his lame OC and their Red Zone play calls in the S.Bowl and playoffs.

Common guys - this is JH's offense not Roman's. This has been said enough in the Zone.

The division of responsibilities works very well.

Give JH 8 of the 10 million he's asking for until he wins the SB then give him 10.

Let Trent do what he does and we'll be just fine.

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by AUniner:
Is this like when Jim "Diego" Harbaugh built that house in South America. Bet them cheap f**kers didn't pay either.

You're making this sound like an extremely simple problem when I'm sure it's far more complex than you believe.

barrows and maiocco have both said jim wants to be the highest paid and jed isn't willing to do that til he wins a superbowl

delaying the inevitable, he's going to be the highest paid that isn't even debatable, its a matter of what team

Right. So why give up the farm now when you can wait until later?

Its a negotiation. Thats it. If you start at "I'm going to make you the highest paid coach in the NFL" then the other side starts at "OK lets exceed that by 2 million".

The line in the sand is 8 Mil becuase 1 side says they want it and the other says they won't give it. That's your starting point. You negotiate to figure out how much above or below that number you go.

It's not complicated. Jed may be saying they won't do it without a SB win but he may very well know he'll have to go over that number to get the contract signed. You don't just come out and say that though because you lose all leverage in a negotiation.

It's like the 49ers saying the weren't going to trade Alex Smith in order to increase his value.

Originally posted by 16to87:
Matt M. says if it comes down to it Baalke wins out and stays

I'll be very surprised if that is the case. As John Madden said on KCBS this morning, it's a lot easier to find a suit than it is to find a winning coach. Again, I don't think anything is happening and I don't think anything is going to happen. I think this is all much ado about nothing and certainly no reason for hate or anger. I don't think Baalke OR Harbaugh are going anywhere. I think that as Jed York said, after the draft, they'll re-start negotiations with Harbaugh to extend his contract. He hasn't even begun the fourth year of a five year contract so there is no reason for anyone to hurry just because the media demands they hurry. They don't care what the media says about this issue. Why should they? And honestly, I'm surprised that Matt M. has jumped on this media whore Harbaugh hate-fest. I wouldn't have expected him or Barrows to join in on this circle jerk.

Here's another thing. None of these guys really know that York doesn't want to make Harbaugh the highest paid coach until he wins a Super Bowl. You have to ask yourself why you think they know this. Has York said this? No. Has anyone close to York even implied this? Not that you've seen in terms of quotes in the media. Again, this is people believing something, not knowing something. There is a difference between knowing and believing. And I for one always find it annoying when people pretend to know something that isn't really knowable with the information at hand.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by AUniner:
Is this like when Jim "Diego" Harbaugh built that house in South America. Bet them cheap f**kers didn't pay either.

You're making this sound like an extremely simple problem when I'm sure it's far more complex than you believe.

barrows and maiocco have both said jim wants to be the highest paid and jed isn't willing to do that til he wins a superbowl

delaying the inevitable, he's going to be the highest paid that isn't even debatable, its a matter of what team

Right. So why give up the farm now when you can wait until later?

Its a negotiation. Thats it. If you start at "I'm going to make you the highest paid coach in the NFL" then the other side starts at "OK lets exceed that by 2 million".

The line in the sand is 8 Mil becuase 1 side says they want it and the other says they won't give it. That's your starting point. You negotiate to figure out how much above or below that number you go.

It's not complicated. Jed may be saying they won't do it without a SB win but he may very well know he'll have to go over that number to get the contract signed. You don't just come out and say that though because you lose all leverage in a negotiation.

It's like the 49ers saying the weren't going to trade Alex Smith in order to increase his value.

Why not have an incentive based contract ?

Win the SB get a 4 Mill bonus !

Pay Him .....