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If it comes down to it, who would you rather have?

If it comes down to it, who would you rather have?

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
You sure can. But you're not criticizing him. You are insulting him. That is two different things.

I'm criticizing Baalke, but i still think he is a good GM. I just think JH had more to do with our turnaround then JH. You acted as if you thought the opposite, which would have been fair. That may be true, but your statements come off like you hate JH, period.

Dont put words in my mouth You dont know me or what I think.

You posting lies about what you assume I think makes you look silly.
[ Edited by SteveYoung on Feb 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM ]
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Funny you mention Jimmy Johnson. His predecessor Barry Switzer led the Cowboys to the NFCC game losing to us in his first year as HC and a Super Bowl win in his 2nd season. Funny what a coach can do with an All-Star team.

That shows how great the team was that Switzer could win a SB.
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
That shows how great the team was that Switzer could win a SB.

You dont think Gruden could win a SB with this team in two years? I do.
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Is this a guy you want around? He is fighting with everyone possible.

http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/24/jim-harbaugh-tension-san-francisco-49ers/

The men are barely speaking, I'm told, and almost all communication is through email. Harbaugh also has a strained relationship with team president Paraag Marathe, sources said, and he has clashed with many within the organization. It could prove untenable. If anything, the impression I got this week was that the situation there is actually much worse than how it has been portrayed in the media, and helps explain the delay in giving a new deal to the coach, who has two years left on a contract he has outperformed.

If this article with no confirmed sources is true, then Jed or someone needs to mediate the situation. I have had problems with my co-workers in the past as well. The ones that stick around are the ones that are good at their job, like Harbaugh. Everyone else just has to put their egos aside and adjust. Either that or let the real person for the 49ers' success walk.
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
You sure can. But you're not criticizing him. You are insulting him. That is two different things.

I'm criticizing Baalke, but i still think he is a good GM. I just think JH had more to do with our turnaround then JH. You acted as if you thought the opposite, which would have been fair. That may be true, but your statements come off like you hate JH, period.

Dont put words in my mouth You dont know me or what I think.

You posting lies about what you assume I think makes you look silly.

lol you typed "f**k harbaugh." Then typed that you love harbaugh. And i'm the silly poster?


ok.
Lets look at the tape

Baalke--- takes over talented roster, but was also scout before GM (lead scout maybe?) Has added significant talent. Has worked with Paraag to master the cap. Hasn't overpaid anyone. His major whiffs have been on offensive players, and it has been said that Harbaugh has a lot of input as far as drafting offensive players. Has put together an elite defensive coaching staff. finds gems in UDFA--- such as Brock and Ian williams

which brings us too

Harbaugh (and the offensive staff he brought with him from stanford)---- Has his own offensive system, which worked for awhile but now is not so lethal, given that we have an all-pro line, all-pro TE, all-pro FB, and pretty good WRs... and our QB can run like hell... he is a fine leader of men but his in-game management is laughable--- the play calling is not fluid, the time outs are embarressing and our challenge percentages were some of the worst in the league... we run when the league is begging us to pass... our route concepts have been described as 'remedial'...


Our roster is loaded, and our defense in 2011 was historic. I contend that any good coach would have been successful in this situation, we just needed to stop hiring people like Singletary, and that all changed when we hired Baalke. Baalke has constructed the team. The defense has played at a championship level. And when its all on the line the past two years, we can't score when we have to, and in the playoffs, you gotta score. This is an offensive problem. First and goal from the 5 and no ring? Doesn't sound like a Baalke problem to me


I don't dislike Harbaugh, but you people who would rather keep the coach are CRAZY!!!!
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
If this article with no confirmed sources is true, then Jed or someone needs to mediate the situation. I have had problems with my co-workers in the past as well. The ones that stick around are the ones that are good at their job, like Harbaugh. Everyone else just has to put their egos aside and adjust. Either that or let the real person for the 49ers' success walk.

Harbaugh needs to do his job and STFU instead of fighting with everyone at team headquarters.
BINGO!!


Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Lets look at the tape

Baalke--- takes over talented roster, but was also scout before GM (lead scout maybe?) Has added significant talent. Has worked with Paraag to master the cap. Hasn't overpaid anyone. His major whiffs have been on offensive players, and it has been said that Harbaugh has a lot of input as far as drafting offensive players. Has put together an elite defensive coaching staff. finds gems in UDFA--- such as Brock and Ian williams

which brings us too

Harbaugh (and the offensive staff he brought with him from stanford)---- Has his own offensive system, which worked for awhile but now is not so lethal, given that we have an all-pro line, all-pro TE, all-pro FB, and pretty good WRs... and our QB can run like hell... he is a fine leader of men but his in-game management is laughable--- the play calling is not fluid, the time outs are embarressing and our challenge percentages were some of the worst in the league... we run when the league is begging us to pass... our route concepts have been described as 'remedial'...


Our roster is loaded, and our defense in 2011 was historic. I contend that any good coach would have been successful in this situation, we just needed to stop hiring people like Singletary, and that all changed when we hired Baalke. Baalke has constructed the team. The defense has played at a championship level. And when its all on the line the past two years, we can't score when we have to, and in the playoffs, you gotta score. This is an offensive problem. First and goal from the 5 and no ring? Doesn't sound like a Baalke problem to me


I don't dislike Harbaugh, but you people who would rather keep the coach are CRAZY!!!!
I cannot click the Harbaugh option fast enough. Talent evaluators can be replaced. Coaches like Harbaugh arent that easy to do the same with.
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Lets look at the tape

Baalke--- takes over talented roster, but was also scout before GM (lead scout maybe?) Has added significant talent. Has worked with Paraag to master the cap. Hasn't overpaid anyone. His major whiffs have been on offensive players, and it has been said that Harbaugh has a lot of input as far as drafting offensive players. Has put together an elite defensive coaching staff. finds gems in UDFA--- such as Brock and Ian williams

which brings us too

Harbaugh (and the offensive staff he brought with him from stanford)---- Has his own offensive system, which worked for awhile but now is not so lethal, given that we have an all-pro line, all-pro TE, all-pro FB, and pretty good WRs... and our QB can run like hell... he is a fine leader of men but his in-game management is laughable--- the play calling is not fluid, the time outs are embarressing and our challenge percentages were some of the worst in the league... we run when the league is begging us to pass... our route concepts have been described as 'remedial'...


Our roster is loaded, and our defense in 2011 was historic. I contend that any good coach would have been successful in this situation, we just needed to stop hiring people like Singletary, and that all changed when we hired Baalke. Baalke has constructed the team. The defense has played at a championship level. And when its all on the line the past two years, we can't score when we have to, and in the playoffs, you gotta score. This is an offensive problem. First and goal from the 5 and no ring? Doesn't sound like a Baalke problem to me


I don't dislike Harbaugh, but you people who would rather keep the coach are CRAZY!!!!

+1
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
So anyone could of led that 2011 squad to the NFCC?

I don't think so. It takes a great coach like JH to take a crappy organization and turn them around in one season. Baalke could draft great players until the cows come home but they are useless without a good coach.

What about signings? Those don't count? Whitner. Goodwin. Akers. Rogers. Draftees Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Smith, Miller, Culliver, Reid. It goes on and on.

And by your logic explain to me how Barry Switzer won the SB in his 2nd year in Dallas? Was it due to his great coaching or the All-Star team he inherited?

Harbaugh wouldn't have had any better success than Singletary because our TEAM was void of talent.

Put Harbaugh on the 2007 Niners would he have success?

LOL is this guy serious? Harbaugh wouldn't have had any more success than Singeltary? Dude the 2010 and 2011 team weren't much different. We got 6-10 under Singeltary and 13-3 the following year under Harbaugh. You have some blind hate against Harbaugh for whatever reason..
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Lets look at the tape

Baalke--- takes over talented roster, but was also scout before GM (lead scout maybe?) Has added significant talent. Has worked with Paraag to master the cap. Hasn't overpaid anyone. His major whiffs have been on offensive players, and it has been said that Harbaugh has a lot of input as far as drafting offensive players. Has put together an elite defensive coaching staff. finds gems in UDFA--- such as Brock and Ian williams

which brings us too

Harbaugh (and the offensive staff he brought with him from stanford)---- Has his own offensive system, which worked for awhile but now is not so lethal, given that we have an all-pro line, all-pro TE, all-pro FB, and pretty good WRs... and our QB can run like hell... he is a fine leader of men but his in-game management is laughable--- the play calling is not fluid, the time outs are embarressing and our challenge percentages were some of the worst in the league... we run when the league is begging us to pass... our route concepts have been described as 'remedial'...


Our roster is loaded, and our defense in 2011 was historic. I contend that any good coach would have been successful in this situation, we just needed to stop hiring people like Singletary, and that all changed when we hired Baalke. Baalke has constructed the team. The defense has played at a championship level. And when its all on the line the past two years, we can't score when we have to, and in the playoffs, you gotta score. This is an offensive problem. First and goal from the 5 and no ring? Doesn't sound like a Baalke problem to me


I don't dislike Harbaugh, but you people who would rather keep the coach are CRAZY!!!!

You think any good coach in 2011 could come in, with no off season, with Alex at QB, and take a perennial loser team to overtime in the NFCC? I think it takes a great coach to do something like that.
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
LOL is this guy serious? Harbaugh wouldn't have had any more success than Singeltary? Dude the 2010 and 2011 team weren't much different. We got 6-10 under Singeltary and 13-3 the following year under Harbaugh. You have some blind hate against Harbaugh for whatever reason..

We would have won the division with Jim because the only thing we needed fixed was the QB. Baalke had the talent here in 2010 and Scott in 2009. Our problem was the QB position. Jim would have won the division both years because he could fix the position we needed fixed!
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
You think any good coach in 2011 could come in, with no off season, with Alex at QB, and take a perennial loser team to overtime in the NFCC? I think it takes a great coach to do something like that.

Jim was probably the only guy that could do that and that is why he was AP 2011 COTY
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Lets look at the tape

Baalke--- takes over talented roster, but was also scout before GM (lead scout maybe?) Has added significant talent. Has worked with Paraag to master the cap. Hasn't overpaid anyone. His major whiffs have been on offensive players, and it has been said that Harbaugh has a lot of input as far as drafting offensive players. Has put together an elite defensive coaching staff. finds gems in UDFA--- such as Brock and Ian williams

which brings us too

Harbaugh (and the offensive staff he brought with him from stanford)---- Has his own offensive system, which worked for awhile but now is not so lethal, given that we have an all-pro line, all-pro TE, all-pro FB, and pretty good WRs... and our QB can run like hell... he is a fine leader of men but his in-game management is laughable--- the play calling is not fluid, the time outs are embarressing and our challenge percentages were some of the worst in the league... we run when the league is begging us to pass... our route concepts have been described as 'remedial'...


Our roster is loaded, and our defense in 2011 was historic. I contend that any good coach would have been successful in this situation, we just needed to stop hiring people like Singletary, and that all changed when we hired Baalke. Baalke has constructed the team. The defense has played at a championship level. And when its all on the line the past two years, we can't score when we have to, and in the playoffs, you gotta score. This is an offensive problem. First and goal from the 5 and no ring? Doesn't sound like a Baalke problem to me


I don't dislike Harbaugh, but you people who would rather keep the coach are CRAZY!!!!

You think any good coach in 2011 could come in, with no off season, with Alex at QB, and take a perennial loser team to overtime in the NFCC? I think it takes a great coach to do something like that.

Yup. These people are ridiculous thinking we can just plug in another coach and be just as if more successful than we have been. We went from a decade of darkness and losing to three straight years in the NFC Championship, all since Harbaugh has been here. It's actually, People who would rather keep the GM are CRAZY!!!!