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If it comes down to it, who would you rather have?

If it comes down to it, who would you rather have?

  • dj43
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
I agree but would Harbaugh's ego would allow that?

I doubt it...at first. But if it's a very well respected OC and he can relax and just focus on coaching up CK and managing the team, perhaps Baalke can sell it. It would be an ideal situation, no doubt!

I believe the demand would have to come from Jed, and it would have to be someone good. Problem is, a good OC is a prime candidate to be an HC in the future and Harbaugh would likely see that as a threat.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
I agree but would Harbaugh's ego would allow that?

I doubt it...at first. But if it's a very well respected OC and he can relax and just focus on coaching up CK and managing the team, perhaps Baalke can sell it. It would be an ideal situation, no doubt!

I believe the demand would have to come from Jed, and it would have to be someone good. Problem is, a good OC is a prime candidate to be an HC in the future and Harbaugh would likely see that as a threat.

Yup, sadly you are right and after 3 straight NFCCG's, he is going to be looking to more power...not less. Is Harbaugh going to become the Dashon Goldson of coaches? Stay tuned...
Great or not, anybody who allows the organizations name to be drug through the mud rather than swallow some pride and find a way to work things out before it spills over, isn't the guy you want to bet on long term.
This is stupid
If it comes down to it, I'd rather stop paying attention to unfounded and unverified media reports. There is absolutely zero evidence that there is an irreconcilable rift between Harbaugh and Baalke. The more I have dug into all of the articles, blogs, and tweets that have been written about this issue the more I am convinced that the entire thing is a fiction. The only people that have gone on record about any of this are Harbaugh - who denied ever knowing about a trade to Cleveland, and York - who refuted the report about the Cleveland trade and has gone on record stating that the 49ers want to resign Harbaugh. But plain statements made by the people involved the closest to the situation apparently do not trump unnamed sources and rumors. Until someone actually goes on the record with something to contrary, I am going to take the owner and the coach at their word over a guy like Kawakami, whose sole existence in this world depends upon generating a buzz about the stuff that he writes.
Jusr seeing what Coach did for Alex was enough for me.
Consider this-how many superbowl winning coaches went to another team and got what they (power) wanted and sucked as a GM coach? Shanahan, Holmgren, Parcells,

What good GM would want to work with JH and just be a puppet GM? Lombardi? How do you know he still has what it takes? He has been outo f the game until the Browns gig and that lasted how long? What is to stop Paraage colliding with JH and then leaving. For that matter, if things go south, what is to stop JH from bailing so he doesn't so bad?




Originally posted by Raul98:
This whole situation is so stupid was Baalke the one who made us a SuperBowl contender after years of misery? Is Baalke the one who put the 49ers back in the spotlight after years of being mediocre? It was all Harbaugh with out him we are a 9-7 team with a first round loss in the playoffs. This just goes to show how Jed and the Yorks have no F'ng idea on how to run a team. There delusional ego makes them think who cares if Harbaugh goes we have Levis Stadium and a talented team that's enough to get us back to the SuperBowl. I'm sick of seeing these articles the fact Harbaughs name has even been mentioned in this manner makes me sick.

And just a F.Y.I. Baalke is a crappy GM he has drafted 28 players since he became GM and only 7 players have made a impact on the team. Eric Reid, Aldon Smith,Collin Kaepernick, Chris Culliver, Kendall Hunter, Daniel Kilgore and Bruce Miller. The jury is yet to be decided on some of his other picks.


A gm isn't about JUST drafting, it is about bringing in players and deciding who stays and who goes, picking up other key players by other means. Not over paying people and getting players that can contribute. example Dorsey, How many gms let others go to late or to soon? There are a lot of shades of grey that some in the zone that are over simplyfying. History has shown that Teams more often when the two are seperated by two people than when one has all the power.

I can see the fickle zone if JH is given the power and the niners regress-stupid JH blah blah blah, take his power and get a GM.
baalke has been legit but this is harbaugh in a landslide. a great headcoach is a lot harder to find than a GM. even the best GMs have bad drafts and make bust FA signings but a coach like harbaugh who can take a team that the previous guy couldnt win 8 games with and make them into a contender every year is hard to find.
Would be nice to see Jim ask about his brother and how he deals with Ozzie.
Originally posted by WildBill:
Consider this-how many superbowl winning coaches went to another team and got what they (power) wanted and sucked as a GM coach? Shanahan, Holmgren, Parcells,

What good GM would want to work with JH and just be a puppet GM? Lombardi? How do you know he still has what it takes? He has been outo f the game until the Browns gig and that lasted how long? What is to stop Paraage colliding with JH and then leaving. For that matter, if things go south, what is to stop JH from bailing so he doesn't so bad?

A gm isn't about JUST drafting, it is about bringing in players and deciding who stays and who goes, picking up other key players by other means. Not over paying people and getting players that can contribute. example Dorsey, How many gms let others go to late or to soon? There are a lot of shades of grey that some in the zone that are over simplyfying. History has shown that Teams more often when the two are seperated by two people than when one has all the power.

I can see the fickle zone if JH is given the power and the niners regress-stupid JH blah blah blah, take his power and get a GM.

100% agree. It is darm near impossible to find a top notch GM. But the GM is tied to the entire FO, everything from hiring/firing staff, ALL player personnel choices, all contract negotiations, managing the cap, etc. In fact, I challenge anyone, right now to show me a stronger FO than the 9ers right now. In fact, page one here has a couple sniplets of both Baalke and Marathe's FO philosophy and you can SEE why we are so far ahead of the curve and are set up for the future: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/177313-2014-team-needs-updates/

A coach is visable. And a GM isn't. It's that simple. And nobody is more visable than Harbaugh.

With the talent we have on this roster, today, the way this team is set up, I have no doubt other coaches most likely could come in and do a fantastic job (now and in the future). We've seen it throughout the league with interim coaches. Expectations would be tailored as well. At the end of the day, if I had to pick, I can't name a better GM in the entire league. Baalke has not been over-matched. On the flip side, I can state a list of games where Harbaugh was outcoached and there are still serious concerns about this 30th ranked offense, QB development and this archaic offensive philosophy we have going forward and this is all while he is in total control of this unit and while having to devote 0 time to the defensive unit thanks to Fangio and the defensive staff/unit.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 2, 2014 at 7:09 AM ]
Let's sign Kap and go from there. We'll go as Kap's development goes. Regardless of the coach, I like the checks and balances system required between he and the GM. How many coaches truly can keep up with all the GM responsibilities as a HC?
Originally posted by random49er:
Let's sign Kap and go from there. We'll go as Kap's development goes. Regardless of the coach, I like the checks and balances system required between he and the GM. How many coaches truly can keep up with all the GM responsibilities as a HC?

It's failed completely on every single level. There is just WAY too much work for a GM/HC combination job.
Tough thing, and I hope it doesn't come to it, but it go with Harbaugh. Both are great at their jobs, but I think we have seen what it looks like when you have great players and a bad coach. When Harbaugh came on, he essentially took the same crew and went to the playoffs. Kind of like Reid in KC. I go coach, but I don't want my coach also doing the roster. It rarely works.
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Tough thing, and I hope it doesn't come to it, but it go with Harbaugh. Both are great at their jobs, but I think we have seen what it looks like when you have great players and a bad coach. When Harbaugh came on, he essentially took the same crew and went to the playoffs. Kind of like Reid in KC. I go coach, but I don't want my coach also doing the roster. It rarely works.
That was my point earlier. Folk here have seen what it looks like when we have imbeciles in charge of coaching a very talented team but what happens when we have Matt Millen in the front office? Huh? Huh? But we haven't seen this here yet so we are blind to the fact in 49erland! You let Baalke and Paraag walk and I gave it three to four seasons where our talent erodes to the point we don't compete out west. We now have the best front office and we had some of the worst head coaches in here from 2003 - 2010 so we saw that extreme. Ask DET what Matt Millen looked like. I don't care who the coach was there. You can't win consistently vs Ted Thompson with Matt Millen
[ Edited by Pillbusta on Mar 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM ]
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Tough thing, and I hope it doesn't come to it, but it go with Harbaugh. Both are great at their jobs, but I think we have seen what it looks like when you have great players and a bad coach. When Harbaugh came on, he essentially took the same crew and went to the playoffs. Kind of like Reid in KC. I go coach, but I don't want my coach also doing the roster. It rarely works.

I'd lean this way as well if this was the same group of players 3-4 years ago...you could see many were just coming into their own, still trying to find themselves, we were using the wrong personnel (i.e. Lawson over Brooks), etc.

But now? Clearly this is a perfect mix of veteran leaders and talent with young up-and-comers and with the ton of depth we have now and being in terrific shape to attrack more veteran FA's and the cap shape we are in for years to come, it's not even close to the same team. We could end up with a Bruce Arian's-like situation with Harbaugh and I wouldn't even bat an eye, IMHO.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM ]