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If it comes down to it, who would you rather have?

If it comes down to it, who would you rather have?

Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to say, "Hey, we should target Boldin, Crabtree & VD 75% of the time in the passing game and continue to use Gore as the bell cow." I don't qualifiy that as coaching up these guys that were already well developed and established as clear-cut all-pro's or PBers. Coaching up a guy is someone like Boone. One move like bringing in Boldin for a 6th rounder is more than Harbaugh and his entire staff have coached up after 3 years (minus Rathman with Miller). Seriously. Maybe you can put CK in that category but he clearly lacks basic mechanics, footwork, vision, etc. That's coaching. Coaching up is also helping to ID a clear-cut vision on offense. Can anyone tell me what kind of offense we run? What's our ID?

But in the end, you are right! Both are men that were married from day 1 and need to work it out. Together, they are an epic team. Baalke is in a tough spot b/c I'm sure he's like us...we love Harbaugh...we don't want him to leave...hell, HE was the one who brought him in...but clearly, there are some $, power and serious issues on offense if we are to obtain #6. So how does he deal with it?

Really? You don't know what kind of offense we run? I thought that was pretty much common knowledge by now. Also no Baalke did not bring Harbaugh in. Jed York is the man responsible for landing Harbaugh.

Together, York and Baalke targeted Harbaugh, the Stanford coach who'd emerged as a favorite for jobs with the Dolphins, Broncos and the University of Michigan. The 49ers interviewed him first, for five hours. DeBartolo called Harbaugh on behalf of his nephew, just to remind him of what happened the last time the 49ers hired a coach from Stanford.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9748887/san-francisco-49ers-owner-turned-franchise-stadium-espn-magazine

It was both of them, Eddie also put in a call. You think Harbaugh signed without talking to the GM and asking what types of players he looks for? You think a guy like Harbaugh didn't have Baalke break down the way he drafts and ask about his background?

And no doubt, Jed signed off on it in the end...but make no mistake about it, Baalke and Harbaugh were in the "dark together" for an entire day. Remember that story?
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to say, "Hey, we should target Boldin, Crabtree & VD 75% of the time in the passing game and continue to use Gore as the bell cow." I don't qualifiy that as coaching up these guys that were already well developed and established as clear-cut all-pro's or PBers. Coaching up a guy is someone like Boone. One move like bringing in Boldin for a 6th rounder is more than Harbaugh and his entire staff have coached up after 3 years (minus Rathman with Miller). Seriously. Maybe you can put CK in that category but he clearly lacks basic mechanics, footwork, vision, etc. That's coaching. Coaching up is also helping to ID a clear-cut vision on offense. Can anyone tell me what kind of offense we run? What's our ID?

But in the end, you are right! Both are men that were married from day 1 and need to work it out. Together, they are an epic team. Baalke is in a tough spot b/c I'm sure he's like us...we love Harbaugh...we don't want him to leave...hell, HE was the one who brought him in...but clearly, there are some $, power and serious issues on offense if we are to obtain #6. So how does he deal with it?

Really? You don't know what kind of offense we run? I thought that was pretty much common knowledge by now. Also no Baalke did not bring Harbaugh in. Jed York is the man responsible for landing Harbaugh.

Together, York and Baalke targeted Harbaugh, the Stanford coach who'd emerged as a favorite for jobs with the Dolphins, Broncos and the University of Michigan. The 49ers interviewed him first, for five hours. DeBartolo called Harbaugh on behalf of his nephew, just to remind him of what happened the last time the 49ers hired a coach from Stanford.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9748887/san-francisco-49ers-owner-turned-franchise-stadium-espn-magazine

It was both of them, Eddie also put in a call. You think Harbaugh signed without talking to the GM and asking what types of players he looks for? You think a guy like Harbaugh didn't have Baalke break down the way he drafts and ask about his background?

And no doubt, Jed signed off on it in the end...but make no mistake about it, Baalke and Harbaugh were in the "dark together" for an entire day. Remember that story?
Yup. I couldn't sleep that night. People were saying Miami is a done deal and then the next morning, we got are man.
This team historically has sided with the GM in a power struggle. Doesn't anyone remember Donahue vs. Mariucci?
Originally posted by biggiep:
This team historically has sided with the GM in a power struggle. Doesn't anyone remember Donahue vs. Mariucci?

It's hard to defy Bill Walsh's hand-picked successor.
[ Edited by NinerGM on Feb 25, 2014 at 1:50 PM ]
Originally posted by pd24:
Yup. I couldn't sleep that night. People were saying Miami is a done deal and then the next morning, we got are man.

Oh sorry, I was referring to that day when Baalke and Harbaugh got together at one of their homes IIRC and the power went out and they didn't even care..talked football all day/night...in the dark. Anyone remember this one?
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Really? You don't know what kind of offense we run? I thought that was pretty much common knowledge by now. Also no Baalke did not bring Harbaugh in. Jed York is the man responsible for landing Harbaugh.

LOL. What? Now Jed brought in Harbaugh?

Anyhow, yes, we are a run on first down, intermediate pass on 2nd and 3rd down and implosion in the RZ.

My point is, what IS this offense? Pro-style (what kind)? WCO? Spread? Pistol? Digit-system? Of the 350 pages, it "seems" like a conglomerate of it all.

Baalke was hired 3 days before Harbaugh and I believe there was back channel talk about making sure Harbaugh was okay with promoting Baalke before he got the job. So i doubt Baalke was running a coaching search when it wasn't a 100% lock he would even get the job.

The offense is the power run offense. We do sprinkle in some read/option stuff because of Kap. Colts brought in Pep Hamilton and traded for Trent Richardson to try to run the same type of offense (though they had to abandon it for a more spread attach when Richardson flopped) and Stanford runs the same type of offense.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Baalke was hired 3 days before Harbaugh and I believe there was back channel talk about making sure Harbaugh was okay with promoting Baalke before he got the job. So i doubt Baalke was running a coaching search when it wasn't a 100% lock he would even get the job.

The offense is the power run offense. We do sprinkle in some read/option stuff because of Kap. Colts brought in Pep Hamilton and traded for Trent Richardson to try to run the same type of offense (though they had to abandon it for a more spread attach when Richardson flopped) and Stanford runs the same type of offense.

Wasn't Baalke promoted within and already with the organization and going after and considering Harbaugh EVERY FO's goal at the time?

Oh, the Stanford offense...in the NFL. Joy. So unless you're name is Gore, Crabtree, Boldin or VD, enjoy the bench.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Baalke was hired 3 days before Harbaugh and I believe there was back channel talk about making sure Harbaugh was okay with promoting Baalke before he got the job. So i doubt Baalke was running a coaching search when it wasn't a 100% lock he would even get the job.

The offense is the power run offense. We do sprinkle in some read/option stuff because of Kap. Colts brought in Pep Hamilton and traded for Trent Richardson to try to run the same type of offense (though they had to abandon it for a more spread attach when Richardson flopped) and Stanford runs the same type of offense.

Wasn't Baalke promoted within and already with the organization and going after and considering Harbaugh EVERY FO's goal at the time?

Oh, the Stanford offense...in the NFL. Joy. So unless you're name is Gore, Crabtree, Boldin or VD, enjoy the bench.

I'm not saying Baalke wasn't in the loop because i'm sure he was the #1 choice to be GM. I'm just saying Harbaugh was a Jed pick, not to say Baalke was against it but he wasn't in a position to run a coaching search at the time.

This argument has been going on for years. Its why the Greg Roman thread has 244 pages.
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Baalke was hired 3 days before Harbaugh and I believe there was back channel talk about making sure Harbaugh was okay with promoting Baalke before he got the job. So i doubt Baalke was running a coaching search when it wasn't a 100% lock he would even get the job.

The offense is the power run offense. We do sprinkle in some read/option stuff because of Kap. Colts brought in Pep Hamilton and traded for Trent Richardson to try to run the same type of offense (though they had to abandon it for a more spread attach when Richardson flopped) and Stanford runs the same type of offense.

Wasn't Baalke promoted within and already with the organization and going after and considering Harbaugh EVERY FO's goal at the time?

Oh, the Stanford offense...in the NFL. Joy. So unless you're name is Gore, Crabtree, Boldin or VD, enjoy the bench.

I'm not saying Baalke wasn't in the loop because i'm sure he was the #1 choice to be GM. I'm just saying Harbaugh was a Jed pick, not to say Baalke was against it but he wasn't in a position to run a coaching search at the time.

This argument has been going on for years. Its why the Greg Roman thread has 244 pages.

I remember that. The Media started to say we had no shot at Harbaugh whe we hired Baalke and then one of the Matts reported that it wasn't a deal breaker. Wasn't Jed spotted talking to Harbaugh in like December of that season?
Originally posted by Jcool:
I'm not saying Baalke wasn't in the loop because i'm sure he was the #1 choice to be GM. I'm just saying Harbaugh was a Jed pick, not to say Baalke was against it but he wasn't in a position to run a coaching search at the time.

This argument has been going on for years. Its why the Greg Roman thread has 244 pages.

I get where you're going with this...Harbaugh was a no-brainer and THE hottest coach out there. I'm sure promoting Baalke within to GM, prompted conversations between Jed/Baalke on a thorough search and a serious consideration for Harbaugh. But in the end, Baalke had to do the interviews, spend the countless (in the dark) hours with him to ensure their philosophies matched and that they could work together. Once confirmed, Jed wrote the check.

LOL. No doubt!!! I guess I don't genuinely feel that a Stanford offense is any offense at all...or an identity. And when thl408 and others break down formations/tape it seems like that Stanford offense is really nothing more than a conglomerate or waste-paper basket of pieces from 5+ other real offenses. Maybe that's just me though...
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM ]
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Maybe its Baalke with the issues more then Harbaugh

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/baalke-and-singletary-did-not-have-great-chemistry-either
Originally posted by Jcool:
Maybe its Baalke with the issues more then Harbaugh

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/baalke-and-singletary-did-not-have-great-chemistry-either

It's quite possible. But Baalke SHOULD be pissed for Taylor Mays and a crappy NFL coach and with the lack of production and effectiveness on offense under Jim Harbaugh. That's his job...to bring in the best 90 in the game (which we have had the past 2-3 years) and it's on Harbaugh to manage the 46 and produce a Superbowl with it. One GM has more than done his job...the 2 HC's have not. I'd be more worried of there wasn't some contention at this juncture.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Maybe its Baalke with the issues more then Harbaugh

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/baalke-and-singletary-did-not-have-great-chemistry-either

It's quite possible. But Baalke SHOULD be pissed for Taylor Mays and a crappy NFL coach and with the lack of production and effectiveness on offense under Jim Harbaugh. That's his job...to bring in the best 90 in the game (which we have had the past 2-3 years) and it's on Harbaugh to manage the 46 and produce a Superbowl with it. One GM has more than done his job...the 2 HC's have not. I'd be more worried of there wasn't some contention at this juncture.

Yeah that 2012 draft.. Pure perfection!
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"How did the Jim Harbaugh-Trent Baalke breach open up?"

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/02/25/how-did-the-jim-harbaugh-trent-baalke-breach-open-up-lets-go-back-through-it-owen-marecic-a-j-jenkins-aldon-smith/
Originally posted by Jcool:
"How did the Jim Harbaugh-Trent Baalke breach open up?"

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/02/25/how-did-the-jim-harbaugh-trent-baalke-breach-open-up-lets-go-back-through-it-owen-marecic-a-j-jenkins-aldon-smith/

i linked that in the other thread, was not a bad read at all.