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Originally posted by SaksV:
Since the roster is so stacked (minus QB), I think it's time to maybe start looking at which coaches are the weaker link...

I'm a bit weary of Mangini coaching a young Vance McDonald...I don't want him to screw things up..

That could be a great conversation!
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SaksV:
Since the roster is so stacked (minus QB), I think it's time to maybe start looking at which coaches are the weaker link...

I'm a bit weary of Mangini coaching a young Vance McDonald...I don't want him to screw things up..

That could be a great conversation!

i think we all know where that conversation will lead to for some of us
Originally posted by cciowa:
i think we all know where that conversation will lead to for some of us

We can leave Roman to the Roman thread. But you're right. I would love to talk about ALL of our coaches...many unsung hereos, for sure!
Morton?
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by cciowa:
i think we all know where that conversation will lead to for some of us

We can leave Roman to the Roman thread. But you're right. I would love to talk about ALL of our coaches...many unsung hereos, for sure!

i still do not know why mangini was hired, what he does and if he makes a difference
Originally posted by cciowa:
i still do not know why mangini was hired, what he does and if he makes a difference

Its funny you say that b/c if you listen to the Vance McDonald interview he sort of sounded like he (and his dad) didn't know why either...and talks about how he adds a "defensive perspective." That could be beneficial but it is a bit of a head-scratcher to say the least and perhaps a bit of an insult to the other position coaches???
Originally posted by NCommand:
Its funny you say that b/c if you listen to the Vance McDonald interview he sort of sounded like he (and his dad) didn't know why either...and talks about how he adds a "defensive perspective." That could be beneficial but it is a bit of a head-scratcher to say the least and perhaps a bit of an insult to the other position coaches???

At one point JH mentioned Mangini's ability to analyze and help the offense by doing defensive scouting of the unit...could be his role and it would defninately help reduce discernable tendencies. Pretty expensive scout though. He may also be an insurance policy if Harbaugh goes off the range. Not one I would want but...
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Its funny you say that b/c if you listen to the Vance McDonald interview he sort of sounded like he (and his dad) didn't know why either...and talks about how he adds a "defensive perspective." That could be beneficial but it is a bit of a head-scratcher to say the least and perhaps a bit of an insult to the other position coaches???

At one point JH mentioned Mangini's ability to analyze and help the offense by doing defensive scouting of the unit...could be his role and it would defninately help reduce discernable tendencies. Pretty expensive scout though. He may also be an insurance policy if Harbaugh goes off the range. Not one I would want but...

That thought certainly crossed my mind!

BTW: Kenneth Acker seemed like a smart kid in his interview...well spoken. But man, he's got to get some work done on those yellow teeth!
Peter King said Mangini was one of the best football minds he'd ever met and he's met a lot of them. I don't know that Mangini is helping, but I don't know that he's not either. TE coach is strange.
Football mind and coaching ability are not necessarily one and the same. Mangini may be smart...he certainly seemed that way when he was an analyst breaking down plays on TV, but who knows if he can coach or not? His coaching career as HC was rather short lived and not all that successful. He did fine UNDER bellichek, but not so hot solo. And I , like others, still wonder just exactly he is doing. When a very successful DC, say mike Nolan , says "Well, since I know D so well, I must know something about the O also,", I shudder. Not saying that is mangini here, but if he is part of the circus calling plays and getting them in to kap, well, he shouldn't be. Nor should roman for that matter. JH can do fine by himself with his Qb. Leave them to it. If nothing else it would save 4 time outs/game and 3 delay of game penalties due to plays not in on time. My favorite? Calling a time out because the play wasn't in on time, then going to the line and calling timeout again, because the play wasn't clear...or was not usable against that particular D set.
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Originally posted by Scoots:
Peter King said Mangini was one of the best football minds he'd ever met and he's met a lot of them. I don't know that Mangini is helping, but I don't know that he's not either. TE coach is strange.

I believe the old tight end position coach is still there, just coaching the O-linemen now so there isn't a real big loss expertise-wise as far as I'm concerned. The Raven/Patriot/49er connection is definitely alive. Magenius is supposedly one of the better defensive back coaches. I can see him be in line for one of the defensive coaching spots if one becomes available. Johnny Morton is a guy I'd tab as a weak spot on a strong coaching staff.
Bummer about Eric Wright...he knows this system well. The good news is that all the young guys have clearly developed and are more attractive and pushed Wright into retirement (speculation).
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Originally posted by NCommand:
I'll say it again, we may need another quality OT. Outside of Staley and Davis, we now only have Carter Bykowski and Jonathan Martin. Netter was let go for Blake. We don't ever want to have to move Boone over again from RG (and he may be holding out anyhow).

Just recently saw an article from last year about Carter Bykowski. I still have very high hopes for him. At least to be a decent backup / swing tackle.

Gil Brandt on Carter Bykowski May 15, 2013

Mr. Smarty Pants could be another steal, he said. In 2011, the 49ers snagged starting fullback Bruce Miller, a college defensive end, in the seventh round.

"(Bykowski) might not make their team because they have so many players, but they dig them out of the bushes, I'll tell you that," said Brandt, the Cowboys vice president of player personnel from 1960-88. "I just think when you get a guy as big as he is, with those long arms, that can run as well as he can, that's a strong as he is — that's a pretty good seventh-round pick."

"When you come out of high school in Minnesota, they don't have spring practices and so forth, so those kids are usually a little bit behind," Brandt said. "And then he got a late start at his current position, so, to me, he's going to be a very intriguing guy to watch."

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/05/15/seventh-round-steal-nfl-analyst-intrigued-by-ot-bykowski/
[ Edited by DeUh on Jun 21, 2014 at 8:51 AM ]
Originally posted by DeUh:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I'll say it again, we may need another quality OT. Outside of Staley and Davis, we now only have Carter Bykowski and Jonathan Martin. Netter was let go for Blake. We don't ever want to have to move Boone over again from RG (and he may be holding out anyhow).

Just recently saw an article from last year about Carter Bykowski. I still have very high hopes for him. At least to be a decent backup / swing tackle.

Gil Brandt on Carter Bykowski May 15, 2013

Mr. Smarty Pants could be another steal, he said. In 2011, the 49ers snagged starting fullback Bruce Miller, a college defensive end, in the seventh round.

"(Bykowski) might not make their team because they have so many players, but they dig them out of the bushes, I'll tell you that," said Brandt, the Cowboys vice president of player personnel from 1960-88. "I just think when you get a guy as big as he is, with those long arms, that can run as well as he can, that's a strong as he is — that's a pretty good seventh-round pick."

"When you come out of high school in Minnesota, they don't have spring practices and so forth, so those kids are usually a little bit behind," Brandt said. "And then he got a late start at his current position, so, to me, he's going to be a very intriguing guy to watch."

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/05/15/seventh-round-steal-nfl-analyst-intrigued-by-ot-bykowski/

Just saw your early-prediction 53!

Bykowski is intriguing to me b/c he was horrendous when I watched him last year in pre season (he and Netter). That said, we've had a year to develop him as well so this will be another one of those guys to watch closer and see how much they've developed. I agree that now that it's down to him and Jonathan Martin, he's got a very real shot to make the team here with very little competition. Let's keep an eye on him as well...
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[ Edited by DeUh on Jun 23, 2014 at 9:20 AM ]